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What do Poles owe to Hungarians?


Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,363
25 Apr 2022 #91
Elections do make a difference,

I never said they don't but they do not matter as much as you say. Since far left refuse to play by the rules.

Which it is.

All of them are regimes, those I mentioned. It is only you pretend that it has some meaning it doesn't hav ein reality. It only your like or dislike.
jon357 71 | 20,037
25 Apr 2022 #92
Since far left refuse to play by the rules.

Good. Time to make some new rules.

regimes

Every country has one.
Lyzko 37 | 8,566
26 Apr 2022 #93
At the moment, Orban's far scarier as an immigrant-bashing anti-West reactionary than Duda ever was, got to give him that much!

When any nation, the US above all, cries out "WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS AND DON'T HELP FROM OUTSIDERS!!" or words to that effect, start angsting, because that doesn't bode well for the future of democracy.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,551
26 Apr 2022 #94
"WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a free and sovereign nation saying that.

What can you possibly have against it?
Lyzko 37 | 8,566
26 Apr 2022 #95
Nothing, Milo, in as far as it's not merely a cover for a dangerous and cancerous xenophobia, masked by a pretty venire f.ex. Mme. Le Pen.
OP pawian 197 | 19,976
8 May 2022 #96
You do see the two maps (the modern and pre-Trianon borders) all over the place in Hungary..

Ukrainians suspect Hungarians are dreaming of taking back some Ukrainian territory with Hungarian minority. That can be the main reason why Hungarians have decided to support Putin and object to EU`s sanctions on RuSSia. Do some Hungarians want to play a role of a hyena next to the RuSSists lion???

balkaninsight.com/2022/05/04/ukraine-war-feeds-dreams-of-hungarian-far-right-reclaiming-lost-land/
Miloslaw 14 | 4,551
8 May 2022 #97
Do some Hungarians want to play a role of a hyena next to the RuSSists lion???

I don't think so.

But they would probably like Transylvania back.
Novichok 3 | 6,858
9 May 2022 #98
Do some Hungarians want to play a role of a hyena next to the RuSSists lion???

Here is a revolutionary idea...How about Hungarians trying to do what is best for Hungary...
Not for the EU, not for the world, or for the Universe...For Hungary...Can you imagine THAT??? The nerve...
mafketis 35 | 11,225
9 May 2022 #99
How about Hungarians trying to do what is best for Hungary...

And how is alienating all the countries Hungary borders 'best' for Hungary?

How is alienating all the countries Hungary is in international agreements with (agreements that were freely entered into).... 'best' for Hungary?

Especially since it's doing all that for the sake of a country it has no borders with and which has oppressed and subjugated it in the past?

How does that make any sense?
Novichok 3 | 6,858
9 May 2022 #100
And how is alienating all the countries Hungary borders 'best' for Hungary?

It's really very simple...."Best" for Hungary is what Hungarians think is "best" for Hungary - not what some parasites in Brussels think is "best" for Hungary.

For example, buying Russian oil to keep the Hungarian economy humming is better than refusing to buy Russian oil and watching the Hungarian economy sputter.

I hope this was helpful in defining "best".
Lyzko 37 | 8,566
9 May 2022 #101
The Hungarians had two key revolutions, one during the mid-19th century and led by among others the nationalist poet Petofi Sandor, the other, during the latter part of the 20th century, in 1956 under Kadar Janos and Nagy Imre, to be exact.

Poland achieved her independence during the early half of the 20th century, where a nationalist, this time a musician, Ignace Jan Paderewski, led the trumpet section and later became Prime Minister of a "free" Polish nation!

Undoubtedly, the Hungarians inspired the Poles.
OP pawian 197 | 19,976
9 May 2022 #102
.How about Hungarians trying to do what is best for Hungary..

No, what they are longing for is out of their reach - retrieving all the lands where their Hungarian minority lives would make them another pariah state, second after RuSSia. They need to stop daydreaming about it. Easy come, easy go. :):)
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,363
9 May 2022 #103
Hungary have thier own view and look after their own interest. They have that right. Funny that evryone is laying into Hungary after all Germany is doing the same they just promise they will do more in the furture.
Novichok 3 | 6,858
9 May 2022 #104
No, what they are longing for is out of their reach

When you quote, try to stay on the subject in the quote. My post was not about what Hungarians are longing for.

Funny that everyone is laying into Hungary...

I am not. On this point, we agree.
OP pawian 197 | 19,976
10 May 2022 #105
My post was not about what Hungarians are longing for.

Then it means you have no idea of what Hungarians think is the best for them. Namely, collecting all territories where Hungarians reside and creating Great Hungary.
Novichok 3 | 6,858
10 May 2022 #106
Then it means you have no idea of what Hungarians think is the best for them.

I don't have to know. Hungary has Hungarians to know what's best for them, not some parasites in Brussels.
Tecumseh
11 May 2022 #107
Nothing, Milo, in as far as it's not merely a cover for a dangerous and cancerous xenophobia,

I think it is rather unfair to cast Hungary's policy of avoiding to have her homeland flooded with culturally and ethnically totally incompatible people and faux refugees as "dangerous and cancerous xenophobia".

It is well known since the mid 1800s by European & American missionaries in Mesopotamia, Persia, Palestine etc, that those nations (dictionaries then referred them as 'races') will never never adapt to the western style of life, religion, philosophy and 'weltanschauung'.

Even the purposely blind and ignorant German government admitted at disillusioned long last, that the human experiment of trying to blend incompatible nations - that unabashedly und proudly state their unwillingness to assimilate - was an expensive, disappointing flop.

Indeed, most sovereign states resent, even modest dilution of their ethnic population with incompatible nations | ethnicities.
That goal, preserving Hungary's identity, ethnicity, seems to be her courageous, clearly stated, wise, long term policy.
Hence no rational grounds to pillorize her for a vision and policy, that most states openly or obliquely also pursue in one form or other.

Yes , injecting new blood into a gene pool is always beneficial. But in good measures.
And yes, Hungary's sleeping in the same bed with the Russian bear, is a lamentable price for her asperations.
Novichok 3 | 6,858
11 May 2022 #108
was an expensive, disappointing flop.

Good. But the first crime against Germany was not asking Germans in a referendum if they want foreign scum and how many - if they at all.

The way things are now, every Western country is like a Petrie dish with some devilish experiment being run by the top 1%.
Lyzko 37 | 8,566
11 May 2022 #109
Indeed, Merkel ought to have consulted the German people before acting precipitously! There might well be a proviso, either in the Basic Law or the post-War Constitution, prohibiting such a "special emergency referendum" (Sonder-/Notentscheid), except perhaps in wartime. Anyhow, the people might well have vetoed the referendum, but at least she would have tried-:) Tacitus will know, after all, history's his baillie wick.
Novichok 3 | 6,858
11 May 2022 #110
Merkel ought to have consulted the German people before acting precipitously!

Let me offer a better version of the above...

Merkel should have asked Germans before acting like a Germany-hating moron!
Lyzko 37 | 8,566
11 May 2022 #111
Again, Merkel's generation is conspicuously aware of their place in the world, rather than of their place in the sun. Merkel, Scholz et al. are ever so conscious of their uniquely painful history!
Novichok 3 | 6,858
11 May 2022 #112
are ever so conscious of their uniquely painful history!

All that pain could be avoided if they honestly presented the facts and let Germans vote. There were two reasons why they didn't. (1) Germans might say no to foreign scum. (2) Germans might get used to being asked and spread the virus.

A real bummer. Can you imagine people deciding things...That should never be allowed in a "democracy".
Tacitus 2 | 1,626
12 May 2022 #113
Merkel was reelected as chancellor 2 years after the decision, and the party that was decisively against her refugee policies got 10% of the votes.

That should never be allowed

Referendums are rarely practical, even in non-emergencies. A simple yes/no question hardly ever reflects the reality of the sitution. Something you seem either unable or unwilling to acknowledge.
amiga500 2 | 1,129
12 May 2022 #114
Merkel was reelected as chancellor 2 years after the decision

That is a reflection of the german peoples sheep like stupidity rather then any validation of the merkel. they did vote for the nazi party and hitler tho, so not suprising they would be led to disaster again by merkel.
Tacitus 2 | 1,626
12 May 2022 #115
sheep like stupidity

More like the result of Merkel's policies reflecting the wishes of most Germans to some degree and an appreciation how she had steered Germany through multiple crisis by this point ( and would do so again during the pandemic). It of course also helped that the refugee crisis was well over by 2017.

they did vote for the nazi party

The NSDAP never received a majority in any fair and free election.

Please get this thread back to Hungarians, some of you are debating a different country
Novichok 3 | 6,858
12 May 2022 #116
Orban is my hero for giving the EU the middle finger.
Alien 12 | 2,235
12 May 2022 #117
He should be careful with that finger that the EU will turn it into salami.🌭
Crow 160 | 10,261
12 May 2022 #118
I am curious what would my dear Poland when nazi Greater Croatia, in support of EU, attack Hungary one of these days. For sure Poland won`t side with nazis.

That would be moment for Poland to say good-bye to the EU madhouse and together with Serbia come in aid to Hungary.

Who survives survives.
OP pawian 197 | 19,976
12 May 2022 #119
Croatia, in support of EU, attack Hungary

Don`t be silly. Croatia won`t attack Hungary coz they don`t need to. Any country which might start a war in the Balkans is Serbia. Don`t count on Poland`s support - we will send our troops as the EU contingent to deal with murderous Serbs if you try again.

Poland to say good-bye to the EU

Don`t be silly. Poland won`t do it coz we feel good in it. :):)
Crow 160 | 10,261
12 May 2022 #120
You never know with nazi regimes such is Croat apartheid. Just go check their mass media. Its horrible anti-Hungarian hysteria. Besides Serbs, they now spit on Hungarians, too.


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