Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians?

This aggreement was made in 1945. They are now getting around to it.


Yes, it was Poland. Not the first time I might add.

Were Poles happy with the Germans being in Poland?

No instead they just killed them.

GENOCIDE COMMITTED BY UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS
ON THE POLISH POPULATION OF VOLHYNIA
DURING WORLD WAR II (1939-1945)

www-kresy.pl/wolyn/english.htm

that true, but to claim that half Ukrainians are Polish is a bit far fetched.


perhaps you are right, but as far as I am concerned the present politics has a lot to do with Poland becoming an ally to Ukraine vs Russian dominance. It is good for both of the countries.

Traiskirchen,

You are obviously blind to some history. Poles were always free, never occupied, until they were stabbed in the back by the 3 powers of Austria-Hungary, Russia and Germany. They fought bitterly during this time to free themselves of these chains.

Ukrainians on the other hand, were never independent. They didn't even exist as a nation until recently. When I think of Ukrainian, I think of Russians, or Poles, not a seperate nation in themselves. The barbaric Kossaks ruined it for the rest of the population by revolting, when indeed, the country could have flourished with a strong Polish hand in the 17th century. Who knows? Perhaps this land could be a lot richer today..

Yes Miranda, we were both stuck in the middle and victims.


youtube.com/watch?v=Qw-jynhmA1A

Celinski,

From your posts, one may conclude that you are hugely penetrated by Russian propaganda and present only the facts, which were often "created" by NKVD or anecdotal evidences.

just because they didn't exist it does itmake them less of the nation. Poland was under the occupation of USSR during the communism so all Poles must be Russians according to your logic. Yet, Poles never gave their quest for freedom, neither did Ukrainians.

No, you are wrong there my friend. YOU are the one penetrated by propaganda of the West, which was ultra-pacifist in nature and shied away from facts. They were afraid of Russia, so they kept the facts away and closed the books so to speak. These genocides did happen! Ukrainians saw the opportunity, and showing their true barbaric and savage spirit, began to attack their Polish neigbours, in villages, towns all over Poland and "Ukraine."

Say what! Try Roman Catholic, Polish sent to Siberia to die by Stalin. But we must not forget what happened to the ones not on trains. SS Ukraine was not perfect.

Please, ignore this man, celinski. He is a pro-Western creep who was not taught true facts at school.

so what? are you gonna live in the past, pondering in Greece how good of the Pole you are? Good luck, but if past history is the only link to your Polishness (including hatered to Ukrainins, you are no better then the so called "moderator").


no, it wasn't but neither was a group of Polish communist who only served USSR's interests in Poland and their own. It is worse to be destroyed by their own people than by another nationality.

Aggreed, most of Polands military were exiled or killed when communist Poland came into play.


I do not see this as hatered, maybe it is time for Ukraine to say they are sorry, it was wrong like they said they would.

You are right. We must not forget any unjustnesses and genocides which happened in the past, but when you see from your posts that you are only ‘fixed” on Ukrainians, you may wonder that there must be some personal gain you are pursuing.

this is up to the government. If it is that important which I think it is, then the government should make some kind of amendments. I personally like to live in the present when it comes to those relationships. I have a lot of Polish friends and our relationship is not based on the history, but on what we have shared as people, may it be Polish or Ukrainian.

I'd like you to know that my family wasn't exactly "welcomed' with open arms after the end of the war. Many of the were true Poles, who didn't accept the new communist regime. For that reason, only, am I in Greece now as a young man. I take it to heart when someone accuses me of being un-patriotic.

The first step in moving on is to always have in mind the past history of our brothers and sisters who perished for our freedom today, and who were so brutally murdered by Nazi and Communist slime. How would my forefathers respect me if I simply forgot what had happened to them? No, never. For God, and for the motherland, I shall never forget these atrocities for the life of me.

I am not driven by hatred. I am driven by facts. Fact! Ukrainians did this to us in our time of need! I see no reason to discuss earlier "provocatives" as a reason for this. Simply, it was not provoked, it was lust of blood.

Then Ukraine would not be asking for respect from 1932-33. By the way my family was there for this also. Why would this time period mean more than 1939-45?

nor was mine


my father was taken on number of occassion to the police station and was harrased so would comply and become one of them. He never did.


I never did. But forcing your way on others as to what it means to be a patriot or not is rude. There are as many patriots as there are people.


fair enough, it should not be forgotten, but living in the present is more valuable and it doesn;t mean that you have.


kepp living in the past and let me know how it works for you.


no, calling Ukrainin barbarians is not hatered.


it went both ways , Polish were not angels either.


most people will have it given the circumstances.

Maybe it is time that you give up your Victim attitude and move on, but than again, it is only a suggestion.

I guess when they did this they were not thinking of being seen for there actions. They were the worst war crimes of the times yet they were given a free ride and never stood trial.


Yes you could say as many victims as there are guilty of killings. My family was in Siberia, this does not exsuse what took place.

quote=miranda] Victim attitude and move on, but than again, it is only a suggestion[/quote]
I think we are waiting for Ukraine to say sorry.


Relocating vs. brutal murder, you judge?

How was I forcing anything? Dearest Miranda, if you like to be blind, let it be so. I was trying to state my opinion. If it didn't do anything, I shall move on.



How so? Everything today is driven by history. It works fine, thank you. How can you sleep at night by trying to forget what happened in history? To your forefathers? To YOUR blood? Someone would have to give me a solid hit to the head with a sledgehammer for me to forget these struggles! I hope you were not serious with your sarcasm, for everyone needs comfort in history. If we live only for today, and do not remember what happened yesterday, what will happen tomorrow?


Again, with your sarcasm. I was of course not calling all these people on the plains Barbarians. The brutes that took part in the murder of thousands of Polish, you would not call barbarians or savages? Please, go on then, and do not remember the victims.


No, they were not. And that is clear to say. However, Polish never stabbed a country in the back in their time of need! They were not cowards who looked for split second barbarian instincts to drive them.


I never thought of myself as a victim. You are a victim, as much as I am. All of our Polish brothers and sisters are victims. You should know that, and start showing respect for the ones who have gone to be with God.

I see I have done my job properly :)

No, Russian. These things were well known before you came on here to mention them

Celinski,
Have you heard about Auschwitz or Katyn?
Again, what personal gain you are pursuing being so fixed on the historical conflicts between Poles and Ukrainians?
Do not give us the sh...t about justice. What monetary compensation would make you happy?

This is the main point"it should not be forgotten". We shall have a parade stopped if it glorify's members that are not held accountable. I think this was very hurtful. When Ukraine steps up and holds accountable the ones that did this the whole group will not be tainted, until then it is simply wrong.

Anything wrong with Ukraine?

Nope.


I think I'll just move back to my families estate, thanks. Start the coffee.

It's unbelievable! This lady's family was sent to Siberia and you do not hear a word from her about a genocide done by Russians. Instead she is fixed on Ukrainians who were the victims themselves for so many centuries and didn't even have their own country until recently.

write letter to G BUSH. SO your idea is, Poland give back houses for Germans and Ukrainaisn for Poles heheheh Be careful because Poles in Poland can kill you for that kind of ideas.

heheheh Americans

Tones down.A dirty story does not need to come to light again since both parts have agreed so.

Celinski,
my granfather was sent to Syberia too.

Filios, if I lived in teh past I would have to spit on every Pole I pass by, but I chose not to. I am not sarcastic, I am rational and practical. I like peace and I am happy that both Poland and Ukraine are independant to a degree (this is not beng sarcastic, but realistic).


Well, you know that I am Ukrainian and you hurt my feelings by referring to the whole nations as abrbarians, blood thirsty monsters.


I remeber the victims but again, here I am more concerned about the 6 million Ukrainians who were starved to death by Stalin.


what are you referring to?


I am not. My parents were but I grew up in the different circumstances and I am not going to dwell on what happened in the past. I respect what my parents went through but it is simply not my experiance.


and you should stop telling people how they show respect. I am not a nationalist and I am looking into the future.