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Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians?


TRAISKIRCHEN - | 23
9 Feb 2008 #151
TRAISKIRCHEN wrote:
What monetary compensation would make you happy?

I think I'll just move back to my families estate, thanks. Start the coffee.

Finally. When you do not understand the reasoning behind someone’s babbling about “justice” and “historical facts”, just follow the money. Thank you Celincki. Your future posts on this topic will not have any credentials.
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #152
Be careful because Poles in Poland can kill you for that kind of ideas.

Do I detect fear in your voice? LOL

This lady's family was sent to Siberia and you do not hear a word from her about a genocide done by Russians.

I think if you read you will find a few comments. Maybe I will come just to pay respect to my families graves.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQR3Ya8embw
miranda
9 Feb 2008 #153
I think I'll just move back to my families estate, thanks.

good luck:0. So it is about the land after all=money. Aren't you being a hypocrite?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
9 Feb 2008 #154
What's going on here ? Leave UPAs alone and let's kick the Gerries.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
9 Feb 2008 #155
So it is about the land after all=money.

Maybe for her, but I have never followed the scent of money, only facts.
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #156
So it is about the land after all=money.

Right. I guess if you could put a price on Grandmothers, uncles and aunts. You really don't get it Miranda.
miranda
9 Feb 2008 #157
What's going on here ? Leave UPAs alone and let's kick the Gerries.

or Greg.

I am going to write to Juszczenko to give me some monetary compensation for defending the Ukrainin nation. After all it is his job.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
9 Feb 2008 #158
Filios1 and Celinski,

There are some issues that cannot be solved. The alleged Ukrainian oppressors are dead. At least most of them. Ukraine was not a country so their government cannot be held accountable since there the Ukrainian government's continuity is not yet 20 years old.

So what do you propose? Should we kill a few thousands, or millions of young Ukrainians and call it even? That would likely make Filios1's god happy.

Do you realize that your stance is an anachronism? It's fine to study history, but to carry over the hatred of years past into today is plain stupid and dangerous. If I were in a position to decide what to do about the Polish-Ukrainian issues I'd throw into a jail both of you, and all with views similar to yours - Poles and Ukrainians. I would then throw away the. On a good day I'd allow you to be fed.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
9 Feb 2008 #160
So it is about the land after all=money.

Again. This only shows me Miranda, that you are obviously already for one side, and that is o.k. In the end, you have that right, and I respect you. But show some respect for the dead ones, and the ones who suffered. There is no price that you can put on a family member. I would give everything in this world to see some of my family again..
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #161
but to carry over the hatred of years past into today is plain stupid and dangerous.

What about a simple memorial placed in Ukraine with names.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
9 Feb 2008 #162
Polish-Ukrainian issues I'd throw into a jail both of you, and all with views similar to yours -

And to think, you call yourself a Pole. What a disgrace.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
9 Feb 2008 #163
What about a simple memorial placed in Ukraine with names.

Work on that then. Don't incite hatred and constant recalculations who owes what to who. There's gotta be a starting point ans many people reached it already. You will a be late comer.

I'm off to the kitchen. I'll be cooking Ukrainian borsch today.

And to think, you call yourself a Pole. What a disgrace.

The only disgrace I see here is your nazi style propaganda and the need to continually incite hatred. All you'll achieve will be a few bubbles of foam in your mouth produced by your uncontrollable anger. That's all. Save yourself some time and do something useful.
TRAISKIRCHEN - | 23
9 Feb 2008 #164
good luck:0. So it is about the land after all=money.

Of course it’s all about the money. When you have the people who live in the past, it’s always about the money. They dream how rich they would be if the history was different or what mansion they would live in (like in Celinski’s case). Their hatred comes from their inability to prosper or live a good life in the present time.
miranda
9 Feb 2008 #165
Flilios, Celinski,

I agree what Dariusz wrote. Could not have put it better myself.

I understand that you are seeing in me a representation of all those bad things which happend to Poles but I am not going to give in to your sentiments. You are just being unrealistic dreamers.

Now I need some borsch.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
9 Feb 2008 #166
All you'll achieve will be a few bubbles of foam in your mouth produced by your uncontrollable anger

Yes, maybe, or else I may just be able to sway enough people to see the truth. Thanks for your input, creep.

I understand that you are seeing in me a representation of all those bad things which happend to Poles but I am not going to give in to your sentiments. You are just being unrealistic dreamers.

Yes, we are being unrealistic, to think that someone could listen to the light of reason is rather unrealistic. But anyway, there is always God who will judge in the end, who is right and who is wrong.
TRAISKIRCHEN - | 23
9 Feb 2008 #167
What's going on here ? Leave UPAs alone and let's kick the Gerries

You are right Grzegorz. We should be concentrating on the real or potential threats to Poland not on what happened in the past. The best way for Poland to protect itself in the future conflicts is to have nuclear weapons. And the best way to achieve it is to have a partner such as Ukraine for which it would be easy to develop that type of weapons
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #168
Their hatred comes from their inability to prosper or live a good life in the present time.

I am all set in my life. What drive me is what happened to my family. Did they deserve to die? Seems to me it is not I that protects the wallet? Stop pretending if you insult loud enough we will forget our loved ones.
miranda
9 Feb 2008 #170
I am all set in my life. What drive me is what happened to my family.

then you should find likeminded people who can share the same experiance, instead of winding people on PF - that would be more productive.
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #171
celinski you do you speak Polish ?

Did you meet you grandmother?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,700
9 Feb 2008 #172
However they have a bigger sense of community

isnt this the truth :)

They have a great degree of dissatisfaction and pessimism.

isnt that the truth..
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #173
instead of winding people on PF

Are you referring to yourself and Abnormal Russian. I'm sorry if the truth hurts, it is not just yourself that was a victim. If it winds you up so much you can go to another question.
TRAISKIRCHEN - | 23
9 Feb 2008 #174
What drive me is what happened to my family. Did they deserve to die?

So, what happened to your family? You just told us that they were sent to Siberia. How is it connected to your hatred towards Ukrainians.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
9 Feb 2008 #175
there is always God who will judge in the end, who is right and who is wrong.

and you have a nerve to invoke god? You offend and intire nation calling them barbarians, you live in the past filled with hatred and you have a nerve to invoke god?

Your rotten mind is beyond repair.
miranda
9 Feb 2008 #176
Are you referring

I was referring to you. I suggested a practical approach with some productive solutions as a result, but you are obviously not tinterested in taking such venue.

I, on the other hand will not take a responsibility for something I didn't do.
celinski 31 | 1,258
9 Feb 2008 #177
How is it connected to your hatred towards Ukrainians.

I never said I hated anyone. My family lived in eastern Poland. Wolyn was where our home was located. In fact we had Ukraine's and Jewish living on our estate. My grandfather taught men and boys to read and write. I have documents that it was the Ukraine family that saved my grandfather from being shot vs. going to Siberia.

This does not make what took place 1942 OK. It was not OK and although Ukraine said they would say sorry, they have yet to do this.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Feb 2008 #178
Forgiveness is divine!! Can't hold nations to account for the actions of lunatics of a bygone era. The young generation can move on and accept that building on present, positive international relations is the way forward. Celinski, u have every right to feel aggrieved but it will only give u cancer if u bear grudges.

I recommend Desiderata 2 u Celinski. God give me the courage to accept the things I cannot change. I won't give u the rest but it is prophetic. Russia and Germany don't rub history in the faces of Poles. Hitler and Stalin were mad and terrorised their own people, fact!! U need to meet decent, apologetic folk who want to wipe the slate clean
southern 75 | 7,096
9 Feb 2008 #179
I have noticed that Poles get along with Ukrainians quite well.Other forces made them collide.Ukrainians do not accuse Poles either.
I remind what the SS Oberfuhrer of Ukraine Koch said:My greatest success will be when every Pole has only one wish,to kill as many Ukrainians as possible and when every Ukrainian strives to kill every Pole.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
9 Feb 2008 #180
Good comment from southern, I've seen that too. So, where r u from?


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