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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Apr 2016 #1,771
this really is fun

You have joined delph in enjoying Poland's troubles as you would a computer game or other form of entertainment. No, Poland is not an entertainment show for you to sit back and enjoy. It is serious business. Every decent person must do everything possible to prevent the mendacious, resentful KOD/SB clique getting back into power. PO for the past 8 years and the ex-commies for 26 years have skimmed, scammed and stolen Poland blind in the service of foreign-interest groups!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Apr 2016 #1,772
Every decent person must do everything possible to prevent the mendacious, resentful KOD/SB clique getting back into power.

It's quite terrifying that you consider "everything possible" to be acceptable.

I suppose you're in favour of cancelling elections if it means that PO will win?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2016 #1,773
"everything possible"

Everything a decent citizen can do -- spreading the good word, providing moral support to the "good change" government, correcting slanderous KODist propaganda in the neighbourhood, workplace, school, social circles, etc. -- everything within the limits of the law. It's the oppositon side including "close-the-files" Wałęsa who once called for a referendum and if the govt didn't recognise it "the street" would remove them from office. Time and again, the PC's totalitarian legacy rears its ugly head. A TK staff who had a dissenting voice got sidetracked and bypassed for a regular bonus. A Poznań councillor had her mike taken away when she dared criticise PO. Thiose are typical KOD/PC/LGBT tactics which have nothing to do with democracy or free speech. They say: free speech is only for those who promote our KOD/PC/LGBT agenda!

treasonous

The only thing treasonous is the round-table clique or post-communist Poland.
Now threatened is the whole set of interests built up by the nomenclaturists before 1989 which got a tremednous boost from the post-1989 psot-communist governments. That powerful clique of ex-SB/PZPR types and reformed dissidents (Michnik & Co.) were an invincible opponent able to rule unchecked for 25 years. Now in the oppositon, they still enjoy Berlin and Brussels backing whcih is nto srtange consdiering that they servie those two politico-economic structures. If like Viktor Orban PiS do not cave in, the opposition will finally have to think up a positive programme. So far their sole programme is systematic PiS-bashing, said Józef Orzeł of the Klub Ronina.

Naturally the oppositon are promoting quite a different narrative potraying themselves in glowing colours as dedicated and disinterested knigths in shining armour ranting, chanting and panting for freedom and democracy. They conveniently fail to add: freedom and democracy for those who agree with them.
Harry
30 Apr 2016 #1,774
Everything a decent citizen can do -- spreading the good word

Isn't that the line commie collaborators used to use to describe the propaganda they spread for Moscow back in the dark days of communism in Poland?

the "good change" government,

Clearly you can't be talking about the 18% regime: none of their changes have been good.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Apr 2016 #1,775
Clearly you can't be talking about

And clearly you can't be talking about the whining, whinging 10% PO poor losers.
They have skimmed, scammed and stolen their fill, lined their pockets and wormed their ministerial kids into positions of power, but that could not last forever. The PiS government are gradully cleaning up the mess and laying the groundwork for good governance serving the Polish people, not Berlin, Brussels and other foreign-interest groups...

comb-over

One of many hair styles. There is the Elvis look with sideburns, dreadlocks, skinhead look, US airmen's short brush cut and probably a few more. The only one that looks suspicious is someone resembling a skinhead who are known to be prone to violence.

TK

PiS and PSL have both unveiled plans to resolve the TK dispute. I haven't
heard anything from the whingers so far, but knowing them, they will probably dismiss both out of hand. The last thing they want is to resolve the conflict. The KODerasts and their Petru/PO/SB sponsors want to keep stoking the flames to roast their goose over them.

Constitutional Tribunal

I once recall the tagteam all upset that PIS had bused in people for some
a demo. Well now here's your chance to prove you're not all jsut a bunch of loudmouth hypocrites. It's time to protest against the Schetyna-Petru cligue who have texted their elected officials and other activists of the obligation to attend the "spontaneous" 7th May "grass-roots" demo, and offered to pay travel expenses. Frans Timmermasn saw through Gronkeiwicz-Waltz's deceptive invite to attend the Schuman Parade on that day and politely declined, knowing he'd get manoeuvred into another of those clamorous anti-government street cabarets.

Incidentally, one commentator correctly noticed that protests based solely on poltical slogans have never succeeded. In Poland only those against food shortages or meat price rises have ever led to change.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 May 2016 #1,776
Clearly you can't be talking about the 18% regime: none of their changes have been good

The second worst regime for decades - the worst being when they were briefly in office before
Harry
2 May 2016 #1,777
the Schetyna-Petru cligue who have texted their elected officials and other activists of the obligation to attend the "spontaneous" 7th May "grass-roots" demo, and offered to pay travel expenses.

And where might one read about that? The same kind of sources that write about the EU having plans to mandate the micro-chipping of all newborn babies? Or the kind of sources that are funded by money stolen from Poland's credit unions?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 May 2016 #1,778
money stolen from Poland

Most of the money stolen from Poland was the work of the post-communist SB/PO roundtable clique -- skimmers and scammers par excellence!
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 May 2016 #1,779
The same kind of sources that write about the EU having plans to mandate the micro-chipping of all newborn babies?

Pretty well. Since there's nothing good to be said by the regime and their seedy supporters, they can only come out with Wii like that
Ironside 50 | 10,940
2 May 2016 #1,780
The second worst regime for decades - the worst being when they were briefly in office before

Unfortunately for you people in Poland love it! They don't want no more PO, or what not, they are done and spend as force in Poland.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
2 May 2016 #1,781
Unfortunately for you people in Poland love it!

According to the opinion polls, they don't. The last poll had PiS on a mere 28%. It's pretty clear over the last couple of weeks that PiS are not "loved".

Just for kicks, we all need a good example of how PiS are implementing the TKM philosophy to full effect.

natemat.pl/178733,polska-rekordowa-w-rzadzie-premier-szydlo-pracuje-az-95-wiceministrow-najwiecej-w-unii-europejskiej

A Polish record. The government of Prime Minister Szydło has 95 deputy ministers. The most in the European Union.

As we all know, it's not about "good change", it's about "giving as many well paid jobs to PiS supporters as possible".
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 May 2016 #1,782
PiS on a mere 28%

And what "mere" levels of support did former coalition partners PO and PSL achieve in your poll? To enligthen your KOD-infected cerebellum, here are the main points of a speech delivered today by Poland's most influential politician, JAROSŁAW KACZYŃSKI:

The great work of patriotic circles and president Kaczyński is producing effects. The narration of shame is losing in all generations. Good is again being separated from evil. (...) Over the past 27 years often Poland was ruled by people not guided by the higher good. That is the main reason for the state of our statehood. I say that during these solemn days, because there is a big chance of change and we can manage. (...) Poladn should have a strong army, We will cease being a second-class NATO member

(...) We want to be in the EU, and that is the view of the majority of Poles. Those claiming something different are wreckers and poltical troubelmakers," Kaczyński said, clearly referring to the black PR being spread by Schetyna.

In reference to reforms of prosecution and judicial organs, he said there would be no more informal immunties. "We cannot have law courts bowing to gangsters and scamsters," he stated.

"The justice system will also change to ensure the secuity of economic turnover and ownership. Poland must exit the medium-level development trap. Poland must develop more swiftly than other EU countries. We've got the Morawiecki Plan, the biggest plan of the past 27 years, and the entire government must work to make it succeed.

"Division and balance among branches of authorty are needed, not the domination of one branch over the others. PiS advocate respecting the constitution as a whole, especially the laws regulating it, particulary the law based on article 197 of the constitution. The TK may not ignore it nor place themselves above the constitution. We will never agree to that. The TK president has rejected compromise, so we will go our own way. There is no consent to anarchy in the state, even that beingn promoted by law courts."

"We now have freedom of speech, an uncensored press and the right to set up political parties. Previous governments had a problem with free speech. There is in Poland a whole archipelago of little duchies - in local councils, universities and elsewhere where people are afraid to criticse their leadership. We cannot agree to that. We will not accept any law on hate speech aimed at muzzling freedom of speech."
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
2 May 2016 #1,783
And what "mere" levels of support did former coalition partners PO and PSL achieve in your poll?

PO/PSL/Nowoczesna are on a combined 35%. Quite a long way ahead of PiS...

Division and balance among branches of authorty are needed, not the domination of one branch over the others.

Kaczyński really is a master of irony, given that he's attempting to use the Sejm to dominate the legal branch.

There is in Poland a whole archipelago of little duchies - in local councils, universities and elsewhere where people are afraid to criticse their leadership. We cannot agree to that.

Ironic, given that the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński gets reelected in leadership elections with North Korean style percentages and where it's well known that anyone publicly criticising him will be thrown out of PiS.

We will not accept any law on hate speech aimed at muzzling freedom of speech."

Remind us how someone was prosecuted in Lublin for insulting Lech Kaczyński, why don't you Jarek?

If you cared about this, you'd remove the idiotic laws regarding insulting religion and insulting the President.

We want to be in the EU, and that is the view of the majority of Poles.

Aha. That's why Duda was booed today by the fans of Legia Warszawa and Lech Poznań, as their latest thing is to demand Polexit.

Polonius, are you really not aware that the ONR held marches throughout Poland yesterday demanding Poland leaves the EU?

In reference to reforms of prosecution and judicial organs

Ah, so it's official. PiS want to reform the court system so that they can enforce their version of the law on the judicary. As we all know, the courts are independent in Poland - and poor Jarek knows that he won't be able to prosecute his political enemies in the independent courts, hence they must be destroyed.

Poladn should have a strong army

I would prefer a smarter army, but you know, he believes in the days of 1930's when men alone was thought to win wars. You'd think that Poland would have learnt something from 1939, but well.

We've got the Morawiecki Plan, the biggest plan of the past 27 years, and the entire government must work to make it succeed.

Interesting comment, actually. It's pretty clear that Morawiecki is being groomed to take Szydło's job sooner rather than later, but the only question is whether Morawiecki will accept Kaczyński's "leading role" in the Party. If the entire government is supposed to work to make it succeed, then where's the place for Ziobro's political prosecutions or blatant nepotism in every single ministry?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 May 2016 #1,784
ONR

Your 35% combined oppositon is incapable of adopting a single law in the Sejm. You could also throw in those who didn't clear 5%: SLD, Razem and KORWIN (actually PSL didn't kae it eitedhr) and maybe you'd get a combined 45%, except that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Empty figures devoid of political power.

You really are enamoured of fringe groups: transgenderites, ONRites, pervert paraders, footie hooligans... Sorry but they do not represent the Polish nation. Hypocrite Schetyna is threatening to hold a referendnum on support for the EU, when everybody knows it stands around 70%, among the highest in Europe. That does not mean the EU cannot be improved or criticised. More and more countries are defying IV Reich control of the EU and Heil Merkel's refugee muckup and are building anti-migrant barriers along their borders.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 May 2016 #1,785
Your 35% combined oppositon is incapable of adopting a single law in the Sejm.

See, Polonius, how it works in normal countries is that parliamentary opposition is normally allowed to promote their own laws too. It's common in democracies to consider the voice of the opposition, and insulting them by saying "they can't adopt a single law" shows that you consider a single party state to be preferable.

Don't you know anything about how democracy works in your own country? Bipartisan bills are very common.

Hypocrite Schetyna is threatening to hold a referendnum on support for the EU, when everybody knows it stands around 70%, among the highest in Europe.

Quite a sensible idea. It would force PiS into supporting EU membership, while also discrediting the fringe idiot groups that PiS are flirting with. As it stands, the hooligans are now opposed to PiS, which is why Duda was booed out of the National Stadium today.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 May 2016 #1,786
PiS into supporting EU

No need to force PiS, since Kaczyński made it clear that to be in Europe means to be in the EU. It is creeps liek Schetyna spreading black PR. Remember how PO criticsed 500+ for 2nd and further kids because it would break the budget. The in the very next breath those hypocrites proposed 500 to the first-born kids as well. As if that would not affect the budget even more. Hypocrisy through and through!

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delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 May 2016 #1,787
No need to force PiS, since Kaczyński made it clear that to be in Europe means to be in the EU.

Then if he wants Poland to be in the EU, he needs to accept that institutions such as the Venice Commission must be respected.

Strange move by Kaczyński though, because he's now set the government against the ONR types that were demonstrating yesterday against the EU.

As if that would not affect the budget even more.

I wouldn't worry about that, because the budget is already in a complete mess. It's been found out that the rise in the złoty in February was because the government sold a considerable amount of foreign reserves to prop it up, for instance. Inflation in April was -1.1%, which is a complete disaster for a budget that's relying on something like 1.8% inflation.

I'm giving it six months before Morawiecki becomes PM and abolishes the 500+ programme. The bank tax receipts were nearly 33% less than expected, the retail tax is nowhere to be seen... there's simply no money for it.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 May 2016 #1,788
the ONR types t

The ONR types are in Kukiz'15, not PiS. In yoru haste you screwed up parties. Kaczyński is anything but a Jew-basher,
Harry
3 May 2016 #1,789
The ONR types are in Kukiz'15, not PiS.

Remind us which party is proposing to arm the ONR. Here's a hint for you: it's the one run by The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski. Got it yet? No? Here's another hint: that cat Duda was a member until his boss, The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski, told him to leave the party.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
3 May 2016 #1,790
cat Duda was a member until his boss, The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski, told him to leave the party.

This sentence is only an empty piece of Harryesque propaganda. Everyone who is elected president of Poland has to leave his party being sworn into office. The same rule applied to former president Komorowski who wasn't told to leave PO by the Dear Leader Chairman Donald Tusk except that Haryesque propaganda said nothing of the kind about that cat Komorowski.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 May 2016 #1,791
PiS on a mere 28%

A newer poll gave PiS 33%. Next time you report be sure to give s the "mere" % of the PO poor losers' party.

parliamentary opposition is normally allowed to promote their own laws

Nobody is stopping them promoting whatever they want. But no democratic country forces parliament at gunpoint to vote for opposition bills, do they?

PiS

PETRU'S LATEST ATTACK OF FOOT-IN-MOUTH DISEASE:
Romanian-surnamed banker-economist Ryszard Petru added to his litany of gaffes saying: "Our constituion is 225 years old and is in good shape, but PiS want to reform it." When internauts immediately pouned on the idiocy of that statement, Petru started fumbling to re-idit his post. "I know the constitution is from 1971..." he wrote in one of those corrections, getting deeper and deeper into sh*t. Finally his spokeswoman tried to justify her boss's muck-ups by saying: "That only shows how overworked he is."

And such a goof-off wants to become prime minsiter?!
mafketis 24 | 9,387
4 May 2016 #1,792
Romanian-surnamed banker-economist Ryszard Petru added to his litany of gaffes

At least he respects the idea of a constitution, unlike the head of a certain party I could name who takes dumps on the former constitution in public.

At present Poland has no functioning constitution. It is rule by party leader. Just like the PRL that its supporters long for....
G (undercover)
4 May 2016 #1,793
At present Poland has no functioning constitution.

True. It has that useless shyt passed in 1997.

Ryszard Petru added to his litany of gaffes saying: "Our constituion is 225 years

Yeah, Kamerun in good shape again.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 May 2016 #1,794
he respects the idea of a constitution

Not really. He pays lip service to the constitution or anything else he thinks might get him into power. A typical political wannabe!
AdrianK9 6 | 369
4 May 2016 #1,795
I thought I'd share this -

euobserver.com/news/133337

Polish government promises constitutional reform

Poland's ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) has called for a public debate on updating the constitution, amid a bitter row over the government's attempts to reform the constitutional court.

President Andrzej Duda called the constitution a "work in progress" that reflected "times passed".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 May 2016 #1,796
Regardless of what he thinks the Constitution is, he and PiS should begin by respecting the current one. When they do that, we can discuss changing it.

Poland's ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) has called for a public debate on updating the constitution

Shouldn't they rather concentrate on what matters to voters - jobs and future prospects?

True. It has that useless shyt passed in 1997.

I do love how people like you abuse the Constitution. It just shows how you'd be first to stamp on the face of your fellow Poles should the Russians/Germans/whoever come back.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
4 May 2016 #1,797
Shouldn't they rather concentrate on what matters to voters - jobs and future prospects?

They'll fail at that because their economics are voodoo socialist stuff from the 1970s. Of course they're going to find every excuse to do other stuff. Their lap dogs won't dare complain.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
4 May 2016 #1,798
Shouldn't they rather concentrate on what matters to voters - jobs and future prospects?

Again - I am just quoting the title... I didn't write this article or the opinions.

Personally, until the government does something about the ridiculous Polish bureaucracy and makes it easier to establish companies in Poland I really don't care about the Polish politicians' economic plans.

The farm one does affect me though in terms of selling my land - if that's what I decide to do in the future. I'd have to sell my land to a local Polish citizen who can prove will use it for agricultural purposes for 10 years and if I give it to a family member I have to prove they will also use it for agricultural purposes (or at least that's how I read the new law ... perhaps my interpretation is a bit incorrect I can speak, write, and understand Polish a lot better than read it especially when it comes to legal language) ... or the government will buy it if I can't find a buyer and pay me 'market price' which of course will be significantly less but that's fine. I can't even give my farm to my kids though. Then again, much in Poland is accomplished with bribes. I remember one time my grandma was driving down the street - and she spent time in the US so she had nice jewelry, nice clothes, and a bit of cash. Well, the cops pull her over and it says her occupation - rolnik (basically farmer). The cop laughs and calls his buddy over - 'Jurek, zobacz to, to jest rolnik'

I'll give you a quick example. Let's say that a hospital that receives money from the government wants to buy an MRI machine. Well, it's not as simple as say looking online, scheduling a meeting with a rep, and picking the machine/company that offers the best combination of price, quality, and service. Well, in Poland it's totally different. The purchasing manager has to basically type a report that they need a new MRI machine, explain why they need it, and list the specs that are required and purposes that it must serve - like i.e. an open seated one to appease people that may be claustrophobic and costs between $900k-$1 mil. Well, these specs are then given to companies who then submit a bid in a way - they basically say well we have this and this MRI machine that matches your specs. This list is then given to the hospital's purchasing manager and then submitted to the government because they're the ones that would pick which MRI machine gets bought - not the hospital. So usually, the government picks the cheapest one without as much regard to quality, ease of doing business, service, ease of use, etc.

This particular was meant to combat corruption and wasteful spending but it's created a crazy bureaucracy. I remember one kid who was studying Poland and got a scholarship. Great student, great kid. Well, one day he gets a letter that they won't be renewing his scholarship and that basically he's screwed. He writes to all these people and waits months for a reply. Finally, he gets a meeting scheduled with some guy who agrees that his scholarship was unfairly cut - he originally says that itll take a month or two to get an official decision from his boss. Well, the kid says he's already waited so long and wants to get back into school. The guy says he'll see what he can do - he ends up talking to his boss and within an hour has an answer - they reinstated the kids scholarship.

Starting a business is even worse - I thought incorporation was a pain in the butt till I saw Poland's laws - utterly ridiculous. If the government made Poland a more friendly place to open a business, not so much the economy, upholding of contract law, etc. but more so the crazy bureaucracy that has a lot of old Communist Soviet remnants, I would totally open up a business in Poland.
Ironside 50 | 10,940
4 May 2016 #1,799
proposing to arm the ONR

That is an error, every willing Pole should be armed. Guns should be sold on the every street corner.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
4 May 2016 #1,800
No thank you. I quite like the fact that you don't have to worry about who might or might not be armed in every day life.

Personally, until the government does something about the ridiculous Polish bureaucracy and makes it easier to establish companies in Poland I really don't care about the Polish politicians' economic plans.

They will actually make things more difficult. Even the other day, there was some announcement by Szydło about "sealing the tax system". Who was present alongside her? The Finance Minister? The Minister of Development? Nope, the Minister of Justice. Doesn't that tell you something?

The government are ideologically opposed to private business.

but more so the crazy bureaucracy that has a lot of old Communist Soviet remnants, I would totally open up a business in Poland.

That won't change under this government. If anything, it's likely to get worse.

Well, in Poland it's totally different.

That's how it works in the EU as a whole with public tenders. It does reduce corruption, but the problem is that the specification is often written so narrowly that only one company can win it. Protests are common though, and tenders are frequently thrown out in this case.

They'll fail at that because their economics are voodoo socialist stuff from the 1970s. Of course they're going to find every excuse to do other stuff.

The CHF mortgages are going to be the defining moment of this government. If they raid the foreign exchange reserves to pay for the forced conversion, or force the banks to take the hit - then we're going to see some real trouble.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-01/polish-zloty-s-haven-status-just-a-memory-as-it-lags-every-peer

There's likely to be a rating cut, and quite a few analysts are openly suggesting that the złoty is in trouble. It says a lot that the PLN is struggling against other regional currencies - the UAH, CZK, HUF and RSD are all making gains against the złoty.

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