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Poland's post-election political scene



mafketis 16 | 4,508    
11 Jul 2017  #3,481

people who shouted "Lech Wałęsa" being detained by police

dangerous rabble-rousers who do not represent the majority of people in Poland who support socialis...... PiS, that is they support Pis!

those who decided to shout "Bolek" were left undisturbed

Sterling patriots and fearless truth tellers who are aware of the guiding role of the great and benevolent chairman and his unshakeable party line!


Wulkan - | 3,198    
15 Jul 2017  #3,482

Whole Europe is jealous about Poland's national news who tell how it is.


jon357 63 | 12,072    
15 Jul 2017  #3,483

That would be the Party controlled fake news service. I doubt anyone's jealous, more pitying.
Wulkan - | 3,198    
15 Jul 2017  #3,484

That would be the Party controlled fake news service.

Whatever sour losers call it in your circles.

I doubt anyone's jealous

You can read thousands of internet comments but I think you'll prefer to stay in denial anyway, as usual.

more pitying.

Millions of people pity Sweden, Germany and France.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
15 Jul 2017  #3,485

You can read thousands of internet comments

Read Stanislaw Lem's famous quote about the internet. It's well enough known around the world and of course is originally in Polish. He mentions you.

Worth saying, Wulky, that your comments in that last post are at the level of a primary school playground. Even making allowances for your level of English, it is in so many ways a mirror of PiS and it's few supporters - basically low information voters, homo sovieticus, followers rather than leaders.
Wulkan - | 3,198    
15 Jul 2017  #3,486

Worth saying, Wulky, that your comments in that last post are at the level of a primary school playground.

Nope, my English is advanced for someone who learnt it in his adult life, your Polish on the other hand is not even "primary school playground" level after so many years in Poland. That demonstrates your low IQ level and lack of ability for learning new things.

few supporters

Still, any other party has even fewer supporters.

basically low information voters

Basically voters who are not manipulated by fake news globalists main stream media.

Read Stanislaw Lem's famous quote about the internet.

Can't be arrsed, get it and paste it here.

Not to digress from the subject, beautiful video showing how entire Europe is jealous about Poland's solidarity against Islamisation of Europe.


jon357 63 | 12,072    
16 Jul 2017  #3,487

Very interesting, however as usual you don't actually say anything. Just a weak attempt at insults (which amuse), some playground level low-quality banter and a link to yet another racist video.

Sadly this is actually a reflection of Poland's post election political scene, which deteriorates by the day. Not but what, all observers see this.
Wulkan - | 3,198    
16 Jul 2017  #3,488

Just a weak attempt at insults

No insults there, just a bit of the truth about you.

which amuse

which p1sses you off

some playground level low-quality banter

That's what you normally do because you don't have any valid arguments.

racist video.

If it was racist it would be removed by these days very strict youtube moderation. You fail again.

Poland's post election political scene

Is way better than 8 years before with PO criminals in charge.
Wulkan - | 3,198    
19 Jul 2017  #3,489

Behaviour of a typical PO member in sejm.


gregy741 3 | 995    
19 Jul 2017  #3,490

good....more of this behaviour pls.let ppl see,who they are..thats why ,they lost election and they will never win again..
jon357 63 | 12,072    
19 Jul 2017  #3,491

Kaczynski's deranged rant has certainly let people see what he's like. Even people who half supported him are getting worried.
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
19 Jul 2017  #3,492

Even people who half supported him are getting worried

don't make stuff up, that is degrading and doesn't work and its pointless. No one buys it.
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Few frank words in the face of the lying rabble in Seym is not a big deal. Happens, those Muppets are annoying.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
19 Jul 2017  #3,493

don't make stuff up,

So you're pretending he didn't make a deranged and incoherent rant, including allegations of murder? Remember it was filmed live.
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
19 Jul 2017  #3,494

Remember it was filmed live.

No, I'm only saying that his reaction was understandable in the face of the constant provocation and a stream of lies, abuse and BS that those people who should be in prison aim at him.

It wasn't a rand but a truth. I think if someone lose his nerves and speak the truth there is nothing deranged about it.

Those people who in the name of some ideological BS or just to bow towards their foreign masters and coin they pay them are ready to undermine,hurt and destabilise their own country. That is a deranged and incoherent behaviour that warrant a visit of a doctor or a police patrol. Yet you have nothing but a prise for it. well...
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
19 Jul 2017  #3,495

It wasn't a rand but a truth

You believe PO politicians murdered LK? Tell me more! (after I get some popcorn)
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
19 Jul 2017  #3,496

You believe PO politicians murdered LK?

Well you evidently need to polish your Polish or eat your popcorn and chew on it considerable length of time if you really believe that JK said that PO murdered LK.
cms 9 | 941    
19 Jul 2017  #3,497

This is more than a few frank words - he called people murderers, many of whom were not even involved in politics in 2010, during a debate about legal reform.
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
19 Jul 2017  #3,498

JK said that PO murdered LK.

What's your translation of 'zamordowaliście' addressed to a PO poseł then?
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
19 Jul 2017  #3,499

Not a PO posel, he was talking to all of them...
He said " Don't you dare to use my brother's name to support your dirty play. You were trying to destroy him, you're the ones whose are mainly responsible for his death, you're the lowest of the low."
cms 9 | 941    
19 Jul 2017  #3,500

In the same way that Brutus was mainly responsible for the death of Caesar ?
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
19 Jul 2017  #3,501

He said

Don't quit your day job to become a translator

"Nie wycierajcie swoich mord zdradzieckich nazwiskiem mojego świętej pamięci brata. Zniszczyliście go, zamordowaliście go, jesteście kanaliami"

My modest contribution: "How dare you let the name of my late brother cross your deceitful lips! You destroyed him! you murdered (him)*! You filthy bastards!"

*I don't hear 'go' after zamordowaliście though some reports of his tantrum include which makes more grammatical sense
Ironside 43 | 8,055    
19 Jul 2017  #3,502

My modest contribution: "How dare you let the name of my late brother cross your deceitful lips

Nah, my translation is reflecting what he meant. You go for the blood and guts.
"How dare you dirty my brother's name by using it you traitorous scum. You were trying to destroy him, your killed him! You're scumbags."

However I still insist that my fist version convey his meaning better for an Anglophone. Polish is generally more emotional than English so in fact you need to oft tone it down in translation to convey its meaning properly. At least that is my take on it.

In the same way that Brutus was mainly responsible for the death of Caesar ?@ cms

In the same way cicero and those like him, by creating a coup friendly atmosphere and by rejoicing and condoning the deed.
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
19 Jul 2017  #3,503

I still insist that my fist version convey his meaning better for an Anglophone

Except that no one talks like that.

Polish is generally more emotional than English

So need to not hold back in English, not tone it down.
Wulkan - | 3,198    
19 Jul 2017  #3,504

Don't quit your day job to become a translator

How dare you let the name of my late brother cross your deceitful lips

hahahaha... hilarious
mafketis 16 | 4,508    
19 Jul 2017  #3,505

hilarious

I did get a little operatic with that.... but the range of his dementia justifies it I believe.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
19 Jul 2017  #3,506

No, I'm only saying that his reaction was understandable

No. The guy's a professional politician, a parliamentarian, one who describes himself as the real leader of Poland. He may well be a malicious snowflake, in which case he should look for another job or retire and stay at home with his cats.

You were trying to destroy him, you're the ones whose are mainly responsible for his death

No. The original translates as "You destroyed him, you murdered him.

The guy has lost it.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
19 Jul 2017  #3,507

Nie wycierajcie swoich mord zdradzieckich nazwiskiem mojego świętej pamięci brata

Don't wipe your treacherous mugs with the name of my late lamented brother.
It was all a planned provacation. Schetyna said emotions should be whipped up inside and outside rhw Sejm, Budka knew references to Lech woudl provoke Jarek who lost his cool. Then PO MPs ran up to his bench and started quarreling with him. Then the PO MP Lenc got pushy and fisticuufs could have broken out if soemone had poked him back. If it had turned into a general fracas, Sejm officials would have had no choice but to call in the Sejm Guards. The total opposition types with their smartphones would have filmed the brawl and sent abroad photos showing uniformed "PiS Gestapo" beating the poor, abused opposition. Deputy Sejm Marshal (speaker) Joachim Burdziński said. "If we hadn't calmed things down down, the putsch scenario might have come to pass. They tried it already last Decmeber but made fools of themselves and left in disgrace ."

It hasbeen obvious since late 2015 that the main purpose of successive outbursts has been to overthrow the government and disregard the democratic will of Polish voters. Pretexts were easily found -- logging, horses, this or that piece of legislation, the Tribunal business, now the Supreme court....

But the oppositon may be in for a surprise if snap elections are ever called.. The more they rant, the better PiS do in the polls. The latest one shows PiS with 41% backing.
jon357 63 | 12,072    
19 Jul 2017  #3,508

planned

If he loses it so easily, there's no clearer sign that he's unfit for that role.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,886    
19 Jul 2017  #3,509

If he loses it so easily

I wonder how you would react if someone started abusing your dead mother. Twins have an even greater attachmnet to one another than to parents. Kijowski, Shcetyna and Petru are constantly losing their cool.

Anybody watch the proceedings of the Judicial and Human Rights Committee last night? It was pure chaos, confusion and bedlam, like a cross between a bunch of drunken sailora and market day in a Polish village. Onyl worse. Shouting, screechingn, chanting, thumping, scattering papers, tearing the mike from the chairman and a general hubbub that made deliberaitons impossible. And there are perhaps a thousand amendments to vote on. It is 12.15 (past midnight) at the moment and only one amendment has been voted on. The whole sorry spectacle would turn

anyone off from politics. Good night to all!
gregy741 3 | 995    
19 Jul 2017  #3,510

Anybody watch the proceedings of the Judicial and Human Rights Committee last night?

its going online live now.....PO and NOwoczesna like animals..unbelievable..they presented 1300 legislative amendments (created overnight)demanding to be voted one by one.thus disabling democratic legislation procedure

this is democracy according to PO scum.




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