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Poland's PiS party members and crime



delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
24 Jul 2015  #1

Following on from Adam Hoffman's rigging of expenses, we come to the curious case of Krzysztof Lipiec.

(loose translation)

Last night there was a police chase by a Member of Parliament from Law and Justice. Krzysztof Lipiec, who was traveling in the company of Jaroslaw Zieliński and Marek Kwitka, did not stop for the police on Aleja Krakowska in Warsaw after he exceeded the speed limit by 45 km/h.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1019393,title,Posel-PiS-Krzysztof-Lipiec-zatrzymany-przez-policje-po-nocnym-poscigu,wid,17727734,wiadomosc.html

Perhaps other people can help to keep this thread updated with crimes committed by members of PiS?


InPolska 12 | 2,034    
24 Jul 2015  #2

@Delph: last summer, Fakt published Excel docs of expenses of most "poseł" (all parties included) over a couple of years and it was most interesting ;). I know what Fakt is but they could not have invented the doc ;).
Harry 78 | 13,529    
24 Jul 2015  #3

the curious case of Krzysztof Lipiec.

What I find most curious about this case is why he has waived his immunity now but he didn't waive it at a time which would have allowed for an accurate test to be made of the amount of alcohol in his body at the time when he committed the offence.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
24 Jul 2015  #4

crimes committed by members of PiS?

Why just PiS? In the embezzlement department the Platfusy are the leaders, and the ex-commies of the SLD are not far behind. Both are good at covering their tracks and destroying evidence.
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
24 Jul 2015  #5

@Pol: if you know things (that happen to be true), do tell us!

Probably a lot (all parties) have done much worse than Lipiec. In most other countries, this would be considered "kindergarten stuff"
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
24 Jul 2015  #6

@Delph: last summer, Fakt published Excel docs of expenses of most "poseł" (all parties included) over a couple of years and it was most interesting ;). I know what Fakt is but they could not have invented the doc ;).

Oh yes. Adam Hofman was an excellent example.

In a blow to Poland's largest opposition party before Sunday's local elections, MPs Hofman, Mariusz Antoni Kamiński and Adam Rogacki were suspended as members of their party last Friday following allegations that they over-claimed thousands of zloty in travel expenses after stating they would go by car to a Parliamentary Assembly meeting of the Council of Europe in Madrid, while, in fact, using cheap budget airlines for the journey.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/186888,Opposition-MPs-kicked-out-of-party-after-travel-expenses-fraud

Wasn't only him, but he was certainly the highest profile fraudster.

Any other examples? Remember, this thread is about PiS and crimes committed by PiS members.
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
24 Jul 2015  #7

@Delph: Hofman was and is not the only one unfortunately. The document published (in July or August 2014) consisted of several pages with the travel expenses by all "Poseł" over a period of 2 or 3 years. Doc could be found on the net.

I have also heard things such as meetings at the ... Galápagos Islands ;).
Harry 78 | 13,529    
24 Jul 2015  #8

In most other countries, this would be considered "kindergarten stuff"

No. The reality is that very few of the countries which use the Westminster system of parliaments even have any criminal immunity for politicians. Failure to stop for police and/or failure to provide a breath sample gets MPs in other countries a night in the cells (which is precisely where they should be). For example:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331164/Labour-MP-Eric-Joyce-spends-night-cell-drink-driving-arrest.html
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
24 Jul 2015  #9

@Harry: what does their immunity in Poland consist of?

I have personally traveled with "poseł' in their cars several times and yes, they were mentioning their immunity ;)
Harry 78 | 13,529    
24 Jul 2015  #10

what does their immunity in Poland consist of?

Here's a good summary:

Member is exempt from criminal and civil prosecution, disciplinary accountability and investigation/examination for opinions expressed and votes cast directly related to the performance of parliamentary duties, e.g. made on the floor of the parliament or its bodies. In case of infringement of the rights of third parties (e.g. offence/defamation and slander), a Member may only be proceeded against before a court upon consent of the Sejm. The following activities fall within the scope of the non-liability principle: tabling proposals, speeches and votes during sessions of parliament and other parliamentary meetings as well as other acts related to the performance of parliamentary duties.

europarl.europa.eu/pdf/oppd/Page_1/Parliamentary_immunities_final_web_EN.pdf
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
24 Jul 2015  #11

@Harry: thanks so probably one poseł was joking when telling me about leniency when driving ;).

the socalled "3 Musketeers" have not been kicked out of Sejm. They should have....
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
11 Aug 2015  #12

Merged: PiS plan to increase nepotism

Just as we all knew, PiS intend to increase nepotism dramatically if they win the next election.

PiS is reportedly working on a project, which will be ready shortly after the parliamentary elections in late October.

Public radio and television are now Treasury-owned companies and PiS wants them turned into cultural institutions, thus enabling the government of the day (PiS has a strong lead in the polls) to replace the supervisory councils of both institutions.

In other words, it means that PiS will (again) control TVP and use it as their political mouthpiece.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/216804,PiS-plans-public-broadcasting-shakeup

Can someone explain why the government needs to have direct interference over public television and radio?
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
11 Aug 2015  #13

@Delph: I am NO PiS follower (neither PO's) but believe me, this is so everywhere. I am not saying it's good but it's the way it is so why different in Poland?

@Delph: Since 1998 through family and then through work, I have been around government things in Poland and I can assure you that further to all general/presidential elections, there are a lot of changes in the staff (including often at "only" medium level). My conclusion: nothing new! (I'm not saying it's good or bad, am just saying this is the way ...)
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
11 Aug 2015  #14

@Delph: I am NO PiS follower (neither PO's) but believe me, this is so everywhere. I am not saying it's good but it's the way it is so why different in Poland?

No, I know what you mean. But I fear that PiS will do this and then "deal" with the TV licence problem (i.e., no-one pays it) by adopting the Greek solution of slapping licence fees onto electricity bills. I wouldn't mind paying for something like French, German or British public TV, but TVP is....garbage.

To me, TVP should be made fully commercial. Polskie Radio should stay funded, because Trójka at night is positively insane and worth listening to.
WielkiPolak 48 | 725    
12 Aug 2015  #15

Perhaps other people can help to keep this thread updated with crimes committed by members of PiS?

You'll be hard pushed to find a whole bunch of crimes committed by PiS politicians or members, as much as you'd love to have dirt on them. Crimes that are committed and proven to be true normally get dealt with by PiS themselves, as in the big airplane case with Hoffman and others.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
12 Aug 2015  #16

Funny you should mention that, I was just about to mention the latest story...

tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/bogdan-pek-lezal-na-korytarzu-senator-sie-tlumaczy,567471.html

On Saturday, "Super Express" published the photo of Senator Bogdan lying - as is clear from the article - on the floor of the hallway of the Sejm hotel.

Clearly, lying around drunk in public is an obvious crime.

And yet again, more corruption surrounds PiS.

This time, the son-in-law of Lech Kaczyński has been arrested in a corruption probe.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/218247,Late-president-Kaczynskis-soninlaw-arrested-in-corruption-probe

"Among the detainees is a lawyer and a disabled person, because the extortion of public funds relates to the State Fund for Rehabilitation of Disabled People and is connected, among other matters, with co-financing the employment of the disabled," commented Piotr Kosmaty, spokesman for the Appellate Prosecutor's Office in Kraków.

Those aware of Polish politics will know that the son-in-law in question is a lawyer.

The circle of corrupt individuals close to Jarosław Kaczyński is quite shocking.
smurf 39 | 2,011    
24 Aug 2015  #17

And yet again, more corruption surrounds PiS.

Should've waited until closer to the election to break the story.

Then again it did come one day after PiS launched their election campaign, so PO effectively took away their headlines by making sure journos broke the story today.

Let the media wars begin!
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
25 Aug 2015  #18

Then again it did come one day after PiS launched their election campaign, so PO effectively took away their headlines by making sure journos broke the story today.

There's an even better story today about Duda using public money to pay for his trips to Poznań to work in a private university, but I'll post that one tomorrow ;)

In short, the amount of corruption surrounding PiS is just astounding.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
25 Aug 2015  #19

more corruption

What do you expect from Dubieneicki? - he comes form a PZPR/SLD family so crime is par for the course in those circles. Poor Marta really made a bad choice when she hooked up with that crudball. One would have to be pretty low to steal fom the blind and cripples! Dubieniecki would fit nicely into the PO scam party.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
25 Aug 2015  #20

Dubieniecki would fit nicely into the PO scam party.

Now now Polonius... we all remember how Dubieneicki was held up as a fine family man after the death of Lech Kaczyński. I'll find some articles when I can be bothered, but anyway, right now is the far more important story of how Duda also misbehaved.

gloswielkopolski.pl/artykul/6248179,andrzej-duda-dojezdzal-na-uczelnie-na-koszt-kancelarii-sejmu,id,t.html?cookie=1

Andrzej Duda jako parlamentarzysta wielokrotnie korzystał ze swojego poselskiego przywileju i przylatywał do Poznania na koszt Sejmu. Newsweek, który dotarł do tych informacji dowodzi, że w tym czasie wykładał w oddziale prywatnej Wyższej Szkoły Pedagogiki i Administracji w Nowym Tomyślu. Na wizyty Andrzeja Dudy w Wielkopolsce Kancelaria Sejmu wydała w latach 2012-2014 łącznie 11 tysięcy złotych.

Forgive my loose translation, but this is more or less it.

Andrzej Duda, when serving as a parliamentarian flew several times to Poznań at the expense of the Sejm. Newsweek has revealed that these trips were made in order to teach at the private Higher School of Pedagogy and Administration in Nowy Tomśyl. The cost of Andrzej Duda's visits to Wielkopolska between 2012-2014 amount to 11,000 zloty.

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Comment : Duda should do the honourable thing and resign. He's been shown to have used public money in order to line his own pockets, which is an example of the worst sort of corruption. The article goes on to explain that his trips to Poznań earnt him 280,000zl.

In other words, yet another example of PiS and their blatant corruption and misuse of public money.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
25 Aug 2015  #21

Dubieneicki was held up as a fine family man

The consummate poser and pretender who tried to pull the wool over people's eyes. With you he seems to have succeeded!
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
26 Aug 2015  #22

Now now. That's no way to speak about the son-in-law of Lech Kaczyński!

In case you haven't noticed, we've moved onto Duda also being completely corrupt.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
26 Aug 2015  #23

we've moved onto Duda

Everyone has noticed. The Platfusy are well known for seeing a splinter in their adversary's eye to divert attention from the beam in their own. Poland will have to put up with this hogwash for another two months or so, until the Platformer olboy clique gets swept away into the dustbin of history.

And good riddance!
smurf 39 | 2,011    
26 Aug 2015  #24

crudball

The 1950s called Polo, they want their word back.
Hahaha, crudball? Jaysus, are you watching Mad Men or something???

Leopards do not change their spots so easily.

Y'know, I kinda want PiS to win. Just so I can laugh at the monumental f!ck up of of everything that they make.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
26 Aug 2015  #25

a splinter in their adversary's eye

I don't think you can call "defrauding the state" to be a "splinter".

How can you support Duda's profiteering from the State after all the comments you've made about corruption?
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
26 Aug 2015  #26

splinter

Compared to the scams and irregularities (gambling scandal, OLT/AmberGold, eavesdropping affair - over 500 can be seen here: blogpress.pl/node/7889) the Tusk gang have masterminded, most anything else is a splinter by comparison.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
26 Aug 2015  #27

anything else is a splinter

You're missing the point. This is the President of the country that is involved in openly misusing public money. If he had any morality, he would resign. Of course, he doesn't have any morals, because he's from PiS.

Nice of Polonius to link to a site that talks about "The Jewish Lobby in Poland". Do we need to remind him about how some PiS members formed some pro-Israel group in the Sejm not so long ago?
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
26 Aug 2015  #28

Jewish Lobby

You know of course that there is a Jewish, American, Russian, German, probably also a Dutch, Swedish and maybe even an Icelandic and Bolivian lobby in the Sejm and every other parliament. Lobbies are legalised corruption but they exist everyhwere and should surprise no-one.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
26 Aug 2015  #29

Lobbies are legalised corruption but they exist everyhwere and should surprise no-one.

I'm just surprised that PiS (supposedly the defenders of Polish interests) have seen fit to accept cash from foreign interests.

After the revelations about Duda, we should be looking very closely at PiS and their links to Russia.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
26 Aug 2015  #30

should be looking very closely

The sins and transgressions of PO is something you apparently never look at closely or farly!
Or maybe you have let your bias delude you into thinking they don't exist? The Platformers are all pure, virtuous, innocent and sqeaky clean, innit?




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