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Poland's PiS party members and crime


Anthonylas28
18 Jul 2022 #301
PiS's crime is not being freemasons and having political power in Europe, which to be fair is a very serious crime in a continent run by freemasons. They will be destroyed for this.
pawian 223 | 24,582
18 Jul 2022 #302
freemasons

Yawn, I see you relish on conspiracy theories.

While PiS crimes are real and punishable by law in Poland primarily so why do you mention the EU??? The problem is PiS also controls attorneys so we have to wait till the next elections. And then PiS criminals will be dragged to courts.
Anthonylas28
18 Jul 2022 #303
I don't like conspiracy theories at all, I just call it as I see it, if someone can prove me wrong I'm happy to be proved wrong, but all the evidence I see points this way. That document you provided a link for is a freemasons wet dream. And yeah you are right, PiS will be savaged on trumped up charges in kangaroo courts for daring to stand in the way of international trade.
pawian 223 | 24,582
18 Jul 2022 #304
if someone can prove me wrong

You got the order wrong - YOU need to prove what you say about freemasons. :):)

charges in kangaroo courts

Thanks for reminding us about that next example of PiS` stupid decision which is going to cost Poland a lot of money and the PIS guys who led to it will be prosecuted.

notesfrompoland.com/2021/06/09/australian-firm-seeks-806-million-from-poland-for-blocked-development-of-coal-mines/

The firm claims Poland prevented development of its Jan Karski and Dębieńsko mines. That "deprived Prairie of the entire value of its investments" in the country, it says, and the £806 million figure represents the value of lost profits and damages as well as interest accrued on them.
Anthonylas28
18 Jul 2022 #305
That just proves what I said, an Australian firm thinking it can just Lord it over the government of Poland for daring to stand up to it you are on the side of the Australian firm.

An Australian seeking to rob Polish taxpayers of close to 5 billion zloty because the Polish government dared to stand up to it and stood in the way of it's profits. Australia are not even in the EU!
pawian 223 | 24,582
18 Jul 2022 #306
the Polish government dared to stand up to it

By cancelling their business against the contract?? Such things are punishable in every normal democratic country.

Besides, PiS cancelled the contract against the expectations of the local community where the Karski mine was to be built by the Australian company. It was a great chance for development for them but PiS halted it.

dziennikwschodni.pl/biznes/miala-byc-nowa-kopalnia-w-lubelskiem-jest-pozew-przeciwko-rzadowi-polskiemu-na-miliardy-zlotych,n,1000290352.html

Australia are not even in the EU!

It doesn`t matter. Business is business and when you fekk up sb`s plans and cause huge losses of invested money, you have to pay compensation. And PiS guys responsible for that will pay with their freedom one day.
Anthonylas28
18 Jul 2022 #307
Let the Australian firm come and ask the people for their money back in person, door by door. 100zl from every person in Poland.
pawian 223 | 24,582
18 Jul 2022 #308
100zl from every person in Poland.

Finally, Polish taxpayers will pay for PiS incompetence. But the culprits will be dragged to court, unless they escape to Belarus or RuSSia, claiming they are oppressed by Polish authorities.

Previously, I wrote that certain PiS guys will face court charges, without mentioning any names.
But we know the name of the perpetrator in another scandal which already cost Poland 80 million PLN in paid compensation. His name is Maciarewicz, PiS Defense Minister who cancelled the helicopter contract with the French.

psig.com.pl/sv/airbus-to-seek-compensation-for-the-cancelled-caracal-deal/

French aircraft producer Airbus is expected to seek compensation from the Polish government following the scrapping of deal concerning the purchase of 50 Caracal helicopters for the Polish army. Tom Enders went on to say that his company "had never been treated like that" by any client. The negotiations were broken off on Oct. 4, the reason being that the contract was not in the country's economic and security interest.
Anthonylas28
18 Jul 2022 #309
He refers to the Polish government as a mere client, putting his company's interests above the security interests of 38 million Polish people. And then he decided to rob the Polish people for 80 million PLN.

And again you are on the side of the private firm rather than the democratically elected Polish government. Do you even know who owns this firm? Do you know the names of the people that took 80 million zl from the Polish taxpayer?
pawian 223 | 24,582
18 Jul 2022 #310
rob the Polish people for 80 million PLN.

It is PiS who did it. They broke the SIGNED CONTRACT. The compensation was a natural outcome of the cancellation.

the private firm rather than the democratically elected Polish government

Business contract is SACRED, remember. Where do you live - in North Korea??? PiS losers behave as if they ruled a communist country, but one day they will pay for their stupidity

Read about the sanctity of contracts.

law.cornell.edu/wex/sanctity_of_contract

A general idea that once parties duly enter into a contract, they must honor their obligations under that contract.
Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #311
The private company had a choice and they decided to rob the Polish people which shows that they believe that they are more important than entire countries.
pawian 223 | 24,582
19 Jul 2022 #312
The private company rob the Polish people

Stop lying like a rabid communist. We don`t like communists in Poland except those Poles who vote for PiS. . :):)

PiS is robbing Poles the most when they break signed contracts for which a compensation is due everywhere in civilised world.
Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #313
Are you suggesting that once a contract is signed then it has to be honoured regardless of any new information that comes to light? Are you on the spectrum by any chance?
Tacitus 2 | 1,315
19 Jul 2022 #314
then it has to be honoured

Pacta sunt servanda. That is something even the old Romans knew. Those are especially true in industrial matters that require times of preparation for the producer.

Polish government as a mere client,

Any government in any buisness relationship must obey the law like " a mere client". Unless it can be proven that Airbus bribed officials or there products do no meet promised requirements, then the Polish government has no leg to stand on.
Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #315
I agree that honouring contracts is very important, but I would consider national security concerns to be more important, we obviously disagree on this, fair enough.
pawian 223 | 24,582
19 Jul 2022 #316
I would consider national security concerns

There were no security concerns. PiS is unable to build anything from the scratch, they are only able to give away money in benefits. The Australian mining company planned to build a new mine in the underdeveloped area. PiS initially agreed, Australians invested some money in the prep state. All of a sudden, PiS cancelled everything, to the huge disappointment of the local community who had counted on jobs and prosperity from a well functioning business.

That is all. So stop deluding us about security. Instead of a mine, locals have shyt. Like in a joke about bees. PiS produces shyt, that`t what they are best at.
Tacitus 2 | 1,315
19 Jul 2022 #317
security concerns to be more important

Contracts with the defense industry are not negotiated and signed over night. The defense ministry orders extensive studies from its' military and inquires about their demands and gets usually several different offers from various competitors. This is the time and place to raise any security concerns.

Security concerns are however not a magical formula to get out of a signed contract unless it can be shown that the negotiation were fraudulant or the product does not live up to the demanded standards. Otherwise no private defense company would do buisness with your government because they could not afford this legal insecurity.
Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #318
The negotiations were broken off on Oct. 4, the reason being that the contract was not in the country's economic and security interest.

Situations change, new information surfaces, I'm sure PiS acted very wisely to the new information that they had regarding the security concerns, they can't disclose it because it is obviously sensitive information to national security.

''Security concerns are however not a magical formula to get out of a signed contract unless it can be shown that the negotiation were fraudulant or the product does not live up to the demanded standards''

I'm sorry but if I suddenly realised that I was about to sign a contract that jeopardised my life I would say that was a pretty good reason to abandon negotiations!
pawian 223 | 24,582
19 Jul 2022 #319
they can't disclose it because it is obviously sensitive information to national security.

Don`t be silly. If PiS men had any info, they would blow the trumpet about it all over the world instantly, like always when they want to show how clever they are.

They simply made up a story about security coz that was a wide notion enough to excuse their incompetence.
I suppose one or two important top dogs in PiS didn`t receive sufficient bribes under the table from Australians and out of sheer malice, they cancelled everything.
Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #320
Seems like you are starting to believe your own propaganda, not a good sign. Have a break from TVN.
pawian 223 | 24,582
19 Jul 2022 #321
Have a break from TVN.

Darling, the last time I watched TV for longer than 1 minute, any channel, was a few years ago. :):)

propaganda,

It means you have run out of arguments and now are catching at dirty razors. :):):) You know you have lost it. HA! Thank you.

good sign.

Exactly. I will paint another cross under my cockpit to mark this victory.



Anthonylas28
19 Jul 2022 #322
Well I certainly wouldn't want to face down that steely eyed chap in a dog fight..

''tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/pm-morawieckis-wife-cashes-in-nearly-15-million-zlotys-for-selling-land-she-bought-20-times-cheaper-from-church-5515653''

TVN manages to get you in other ways darling...
pawian 223 | 24,582
19 Jul 2022 #323
steely eyed chap in a dog fight..

That is Skalski, Polish ace pilot.

pm-morawieckis-wife-cashes-in-nearly-15-million-zlotys-

It is funny you are reminding us of other suspicious acts by PIS family just like that. You are not too brilliant, are you?? :):):)
jon357 74 | 22,347
22 Jul 2022 #324
pm-morawieckis-wife-cashes-in-nearly-15-million-zlotys-for-selling-land-she-bought-20-times-cheaper-from-church-

No surprises there.

PiS are rotten to the core.
pawian 223 | 24,582
22 Jul 2022 #325
Yes, they are like gangsters. But they do their best to make an impression of honest pious law abiding citizens. Al Capone did go to Sunday mass, too. Many people are fooled by that.
jon357 74 | 22,347
22 Jul 2022 #326
But they do their best to make an impression of

It's part of the act.

Taken from a very very old playbook.
pawian 223 | 24,582
8 Jan 2023 #327
PiS gangsters are robbing Poles in broad daylight!

Major state gas and fuel producer, Orlen, controlled by PiS gangsters, robbed Poles of about 10 billion PLN through high prices of fuels in the last year.

zmianynaziemi.pl/wiadomosc/rzad-pis-zarabial-na-wojnie-i-okradal-polakow-w-cenach-paliw

We have just obtained proof that for the last 10 months all Poles have overpaid fuel prices due to the monstrous margins of the monopoly on the fuel processing market, the PKN Orlen concern. Since the New Year, the VAT rate on fuels has returned to 23%. Despite this, according to the announcements of the President of PKN Orlen, Daniel Obajtek, prices at petrol stations have practically not changed. This is proof that Poles were robbed of at least PLN 1.5 per liter of fuel. Where did that money go?

The matter is serious, because fuel prices are a significant inflation factor. Therefore, since a liter of fuel was more expensive by as much as PLN 2 than it should have been, the government deliberately spurred inflation in this way, calling the reduced VAT rates on fuels an "inflationary shield". In other words, they were generating the problem they were supposedly fighting.

Therefore, it was admitted that there was no shield, and simply Orlen plundered the Poles for billions. Some estimate that even 10 billion zlotys were stolen from Poles. This is the whole secret of Orlen's record profits. PIS robbed people and deliberately increased inflation, destroying the savings of Poles.


Thank you, PiS!!
PolAmKrakow 2 | 914
8 Jan 2023 #328
@pawian
I said this was happening nearly a year ago. Record profits in this economy for one sector controlled by the government. And where does all that money go? The guy running Orlen is a scumbag.
jon357 74 | 22,347
8 Jan 2023 #329
Where did that money go?

This is the main (indeed the only) question.

Obviously it's good that the company is owned by the people rather than private 'investors', however how are they using the surplus it makes?
pawian 223 | 24,582
8 Jan 2023 #330
however how are they using the surplus it makes?

The plans are to invest 36 billion PLN in new instrustructure. That is nice but Poles are enraged by PiS thievery anyway.


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