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Poland's PiS party members and crime



gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #91

I wonder how many other morally questionable pardons will appear.

and you dont see nothing morally wrong with sentencing opposition person for 3 fokin years in prison for Negligence?wonder if Kopacz was sentenced with 3 years for negligence in Smolensk affair,what would ppl like you said?or and fkin useless minister from PO mafia?


Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #92

and you dont see nothing morally wrong with sentencing opposition person for 3 fokin years in prison for Negligence?

He wasn't found guilty of negligence, he was convicted of illegally abusing his power. Why do you so often feel the need to lie to protect PIS politicians and to slander PO politicians?
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
17 Nov 2015  #93

good move by Duda

I agree. Kamiński enjoys the reptuaiton of a crystal-clear anti-corrutpion activist and the founding father of the CBA. When the CBA strated going after the PO scammers and conmen, he had to be silenced. The presidential pardon will allow him to continue the PiS-led clean-up campaign. Sanacja bis as it were!
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
17 Nov 2015  #94

The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski will just summon Duda for another late-night audience and give him a list of blank pardons that are to be issued.

Unbelievable. It just shows how Duda is the President for PiS, not the President of Poland.

He wasn't found guilty of negligence, he was convicted of illegally abusing his power. Why do you so often feel the need to lie to protect PIS politicians and to slander PO politicians?

His father was in the PZPR, enough said.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #95

Kamiński enjoys the reptuaiton of a crystal-clear anti-corrutpion activist

Interesting that you consider a man who is a convicted criminal to have a crystal-clear reputation.
gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #96

Why do you so often feel the need to lie to protect PIS politicians and to slander PO politicians?

hes abusing of power was questionable some court found his actions within hes competencies.even assuming hes crossed over his competencies,this judge verdict was shockingly harsh.

now think if the same standards of abusing power would be applied to PO.tape scandal for example and po abusing their competencies and positions.

especially in light of 40 prosecutions against Ziobro,where he was found innocent in every one.this is political harassment of opposition with use of justice system.worse standards than 3-rd world dictatorship.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
17 Nov 2015  #97

His father was in the PZPR

And Michnik's father and brother actually killed people in the name of the "father of the world proletariat and old lady Michnik tried to kill the souls of Polish school children with her pro-Stalin poison.

Balzerman whom you so admire was in the PZPR, as was Geremek and the godfather of the KOR-ite clique Kuroń. Somehow you never metnion that, Ignorance? Amnesia? Horse-blinkers? Prejudice? The choice is yours.
gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #98

And Michnik's father and brother actually killed people in the name of the "father of the world proletariat and old lady Michnik tried to kill the souls of Polish school children with her pro-Stalin poison.

and Bauman is most glorified moral icon for PO,invited to universities and quoted everywhere.one need to look at milczanowski list to see what trash Tusk and PO really is.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #99

especially in light of 40 prosecutions against Ziobro,where he was found innocent in every one.

40 now is it? Not so long ago you were claiming that it was 60. I asked you repeatedly last time you were telling this laughable lie: please tell us what charges the prosecutor brought in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought.
gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #100

please tell us what charges the prosecutor brought in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought.

pathetic ones.hows tribunal for Ziobro going?any good news?
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
17 Nov 2015  #101

Interesting that you consider a man who is a convicted criminal to have a crystal-clear reputation.

On the good side, the law is clear - a pardoned criminal is guilty of his acts, because you can't pardon an innocent man. Kamiński is legally a crook, which means that there's a convicted criminal in the cabinet of PiS. And they claim to be about law and justice? Hahahaha.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
17 Nov 2015  #102

pardoned criminal

Every miscarriage of justice must be rectified. The PO-inspired judicial harassment of Kamiński was just such a miscarriage, Maybe the PO not only has a łarger percentage of ex-PZPR members in its ranks but they also seem the be influenced by Stefan Michnik-style jurisprudence.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #103

On the good side, the law is clear - a pardoned criminal is guilty of his acts, because you can't pardon an innocent man.

And what kind of innocent man accepts a document that says he is guilty?
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
17 Nov 2015  #104

Maybe the PO not only has a łarger percentage of ex-PZPR members in its ranks but they also seem the be influenced by Stefan Michnik-style jurisprudence.

Nothing you say can escape the fact that a guilty criminal is currently a cabinet member.

In other words, yet another example of PiS members being connected with crime.
gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #105

i hope to see the same "crime" criteria use on PO scum.half of em would end in prison.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #106

pathetic ones.

You know that they were pathetic? Good, that means you must know what charges the prosecutor brought in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought, do tell us.
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
17 Nov 2015  #107

i hope to see the same "crime" criteria use on PO scum.half of em would end in prison.

Stop posting off-topic. This is about PiS and crime, not PO.

What is it with you PiS supporters trying to bring PO into every topic?
gregy741 3 | 981    
17 Nov 2015  #108

Good, that means you must know what charges the prosecutor brought in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought, do tell us.

utter nonsense they were ,trust me.go google

You must know what charges the prosecutor brought in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought, do tell us.

so whats with that tribunal Harry? after 8 years of prosecuting Ziobro,am starting to think there are no grounds for it.whats wrong,maybe 60 prosecutions not enough??surely its imposible.or maybe PO corrupted judges haven't learn and train Stalinist methods of prosecutions thoroughly and that's why they failed?or they are simply stupid and incompetent gotta be something.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
17 Nov 2015  #109

utter nonsense they were

Which charges were utter nonsense? Which charges did the prosecutor bring in the 40 prosecutions you claim were brought?
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
17 Nov 2015  #110

guilty criminal

Justice has been done. As the pardoned Kamiński put it, "I regard the president's decision as a symbol of the restoration of a basic sense of justice, honesty and decency in public life." He recalled that three successive courts had found him not guilty. Also a parliamentary commission of enquiry could find no evidence that the CBA under Kamiński had violated the law. Presumably after a "visit" by the ABW or some other PO-ruled "power that be" a fourth court saw fit to find him guity. That was widely regarded as a clearly politically motivated verdict. It's not surprising that the PO regime went to such lengths to neutralise a champion of justice who was unmasking their numerous scams and dirty secrets.
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
18 Nov 2015  #111

Justice has been done.

Correct. Kamiński is guilty. Pardoned, but guilty. We now have examples of criminals operating at the very heart of the PiS government, and furthermore, he can't really appeal against being pardoned.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
18 Nov 2015  #112

As the pardoned Kamiński put it

Who cares what a convicted criminal has to say? An innocent man would have fought to clear his name, not just have got a friend in the right place to remove the punishment for the crime he had been convicted of committing.
gregy741 3 | 981    
18 Nov 2015  #113

Correct. Kamiński is guilty. Pardoned, but guilty.

not in the eyes of anyone with the basic sense of justice.hes innocent.him being found guilty by corrupted scumbag means sh.it all for me.

Emil August Fieldorf was also found guilty of crimes
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
18 Nov 2015  #114

hes innocent.him being found guilty by corrupted scumbag means sh.it all for me.

He's guilty. You can't pardon an innocent man.

Deal with it Gregy, there's a convicted criminal at the heart of the PiS government.
gregy741 3 | 981    
18 Nov 2015  #115

yes..same way guilty as Fieldorf and Pilecki. judged by corrupt politically and ideologically fuked up scumbags.
its an honor actually to be foung guilty by such lowlife.its mean you on the right side
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
18 Nov 2015  #116

yes..same way guilty as Fieldorf and Pilecki

Hahaha. Stop trying to compare Kamiński (a convicted criminal in an independent court in democratic Poland) with those two. It's rather insulting.

Imagine that PiS have stooped so low as to put a convicted criminal in charge of the intelligence services.
gregy741 3 | 981    
18 Nov 2015  #117

Stop trying to compare Kamiński (a convicted criminal in an independent court in democratic Poland) with those two

not comparing him to Pilecki.i compare methods,intentions and motivations of those within justice system who were judging him.same s.hiy,use justice system to destroy people.

beside...so many Stalinist idols are glorified by PO circles,thats make everything obvious here.
Polonius3 1,019 | 12,575    
18 Nov 2015  #118

Pardoned

Pardoned means forgiven, absolved and forgotten. Case closed regardless of what all the losers, whiners and nitpickers have to say!
Ironside 46 | 8,403    
18 Nov 2015  #119

When it comes to Kaminski his trials have been politically motived and he has been charges with some rather doubtful nonsense.

Unfortunately system of justice in Poland is highly undependable at large as it wasn't wiped clean after the Soviet times. Consequently the same people left in prominent positions, often some families and same mentality weights heavily on the Polish judiciary system.

Ironside hath spoke.
OP delphiandomine 87 | 15,740    
18 Nov 2015  #120

not comparing him to Pilecki.i compare methods,intentions and motivations of those within justice system who were judging him.

No, you're just trying to divert away from the real issue - that a convicted criminal is in charge of the security services in Poland. Bringing up these names is meaningless - the topic is about PiS and crime, not what happened 60 years ago.

If you want to start such a thread, do so, but this is about the fact (made official today) that Kamiński is a criminal.




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