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Poland's PiS party members and crime



OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
27 Aug 2015  #61

Such is one of the perks of an MP and all of them have benefited. Attack those who framed the law and start a petition drive to force MPs to use therir own cars or buy transport tickets.

Surely someone elected to serve the public should understand that public money is to be used wisely and not for obvious personal gain?


Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
29 Aug 2015  #62

public money

Probably no other Polish political formation has carried out a burglary in broad daylight of such proporotions as when the PO-led governemnt broke into and drained the open retirement fund to patch up its budget. Then they followed up by raising retirement age.

Luckily that band of crooks and scam artists will get swept away in October and the legislative lemons they leave behind will soon be undone by their PiS-led successor cabinet.
jon357 67 | 12,725    
29 Aug 2015  #63

someone elected to serve the public should understand that public money is to be used wisely and not for obvious personal gain?

Spot on. It would be too optimistic to say that this is the beginning of the end for the PiSuarzy, however we are certainly well beyond the end of the beginning.

A week in politics is a long time. In Poland, a month is a lifetime.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
29 Aug 2015  #64

PiSuarzy

The flat feet are all washed up in Polish poltics. Their backing is down to 19% and dropping. One shouldn't be surprsied if they soon approach the support levels of the also-rans: PSL, Petru, Kukiz and SLD gang.
jon357 67 | 12,725    
29 Aug 2015  #65

Hard to know what that has to do with the crime and corruption rife within PiS.

Good that it's being aired publicly.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
29 Aug 2015  #66

crime and corruption

The allegations being hurled at PiS are a Sunday school picnic compared to the 8 years of scams, scandals, affairs, nepotism and unkept promises scored by the Platfusy.
jon357 67 | 12,725    
29 Aug 2015  #67

You mean Poland's most successful government to date?

We can look forward to many more revelations about PiS over the next few months, especially the corruption of some of their members at local authority level.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
29 Aug 2015  #68

The allegations being hurled at PiS are a Sunday school picnic

Nice to see that you consider fraud to be a "Sunday school picnic". It's exactly that "Teraz k***a My" attitude that PiS are notorious for.

We can look forward to many more revelations about PiS over the next few months, especially the corruption of some of their members at local authority level.

Indeed, there's a lot more where that comes from. If even their Presidential candidate indulged in blatant fraud, what hope is there for the rest of the party?
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
29 Aug 2015  #69

8 years of scams, scandals, affairs, nepotism and unkept promises scored by

8 years of scams, scandals, affairs, nepotism and unkept promises scored by the dodgy Platformer clique is something no other party can match. Additionally they are masters of PR, propaganda and pulling the wool over the public's eyes. But the Polish nation have finally caught on them (better late than never!) and is poised to deal them a crushing defeat in October.

"Teraz k***a My"

That is simply a colourful way of saying "now we're up to bat". That kind of lingo BTW is typical of informal PO conversations as witnessed by the secret tapes of Sikorski, Rostowski and other Platformer flunkies. In public they spout pious platitudes without end, in private they sound like low-life drunks, thugs and lumpenproles. Cultural schizophrenia or garden-variety hypocrisy?

Poland's most successful government

If that is how you define scams and unkept promises, then all one can say is: consider the source. You are indeed an Orwellian through and through: Ministry of Truth (manufacturing propaganda and disinformation), scams = success, white is black, perversity is virtue, etc.

Nic sie nie stało

The phrase "Nic się nie stało" was attributed to the Tusk clique after every scandal (AmberGold, gambling, uncompleted Euro 2012 motorways, shipyard fiasco, clandestine tapes, cases or oldboy nepotism, the list goes on...)
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
30 Aug 2015  #70

One has to wonder why Polonius keeps repeatedly going off-topic in this thread.

Anyway, a fun story that I found recently.

natemat.pl/115555,celnik-skazany-za-korupcje-pracuje-w-biurze-pis-dzialal-z-mafia-hazardowa-a-teraz-jest-na-stazu

Basically, a corrupt Customs officer that was convicted of taking 22,000zl in bribes, ended up working in office of a PiS MP last year. The excuse given by the MP was that he didn't know the person's background, which means that the MP failed to do even basic background checks.

Another example of how PiS and corruption goes together hand in hand.

So, returning to the topic - Jon, would you like to find some more examples of PiS and corruption?
jon357 67 | 12,725    
31 Aug 2015  #71

There are lots of examples, most of it at a local level. In Slupsk, when they elected a new President, they found that the city's already depleted and mismanaged coffers were being spent on some fairly off things, including honoraria for local PiS party members.

This case is well enough known but very worth reminding people about

The deputy leader of Poland's opposition party, and former head of the Anti Corruption Bureau, has been convicted of abuse of power and sentenced to three years in jail following an undercover operation that saw officers from his department pay bribes in a sting designed to flush out corrupt officials dealing with planning permission for land use.
Mariusz Kamiński, representing Białystok as MP for Law and Justice (PiS), was sentenced on March 30, by a judge at the district court in Warsaw. The penalty - three years in jail, and a ten-year ban on holding public office - was higher than the three-year suspended sentence and four year ban requested by the prosecution.

krakowpost.com/2015/03/former-polish-anti-corruption-boss-jailed/

The views expressed in the quote below belong to the writer of the quote and I neither endorse them or criticise them except to remind that an individual is innocent unless proven guilty. If the writer is accurate, any matters mentioned therein which have not already been investigated carefully should be subject to appropriate scrutiny.

Among those that landed in incredibly well-paid job was some unknown mediocre artist, Jan Maria Tomaszewski, who happened to be Kaczynskis own cousin, Adam Hofman(spokesperson and a spindoctor)'s wife who was hired at KGHM and remained there for 2 years on paid sick leave and Jacek Sasins(deputy chief of staff to president Kaczynski) family landing all kind of jobs wherever PiS won elections. There is also the entire SKOK gate where they cast an protective umbrella from any supervision over a bank-like enterprises who finance lavishly PiS propaganda outlets. They managed to create a staggering 3bln PLN losses

charlescrawford.biz/2015/05/23/poland-votes-again/
smurf 39 | 2,011    
31 Aug 2015  #72

They managed to create a staggering 3bln PLN losses

Wow lol

I'd love to lose that much money.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
31 Aug 2015  #73

This case is well enough known but very worth reminding people about

Absolutely.

The party seems rotten to the core, doesn't it?
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
1 Sep 2015  #74

rotten to the core,

Indeed, except it's the Platfus coterie that's scam-infested.
Check out mapaafer.pl for details.

In recent years it has been PO members who regard Poland and Polish taxpayers as a sucker cow that can be milked indefinitely.
niewygodne.info.pl/artykul5/02227-Zlodziejskie-praktyki-wladzy-ktore-niszcza-nasz-potencjal.htm
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
1 Sep 2015  #75

Off-topic again, Polonius.

This thread is about crime committed by members of PiS and their associates.

ecpr.eu/filestore/paperproposal/8f4a9c16-9665-49c6-a8d3-8bf63862c228.pdf

An interesting paper here that discusses political patronage and PiS.

Meanwhile after one hundred days in office, the PiS government increased the number of appointments in central government administration by 75 new jobs, of which 47 are jobs in political cabinets and 15 in the Chancellery of the Prime Minister.

The record-breaker was the Minister of Environment, who appointed eleven political cabinet advisers. His predecessor had only two.

Yet more corruption, and the paper goes on to outline how PiS were even worse than the infamous 2001-2005 SLD government. The article is fully sourced, so perhaps Polonius would like to comment on why the Minister of the Environment needed 11 cabinet advisers.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
1 Sep 2015  #76

Off-topic again

Agreed, but PO abuses are far more numerous and interesting.
eh?    
1 Sep 2015  #77

>The views expressed in the quote below belong to the writer of the quote
:P surely not your intention to suggest that the author of the page wrote that woz it jon? Crawford wrote stuff you'd p'raps rather not post perhaps like

The Law and Justice party and what it represents are not 'right-wing' let alone 'extreme' in any sense that makes sense in the UK or USA. They are rather sui generis etatist-patriots, people who want a strong (and honest) state structure as the basis for Poland rightfully (as they see it) re-establishing itself as a leading force in Europe and beyond.

@ charlescrawford.biz/2015/05/23/poland-votes-again/
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
1 Sep 2015  #78

It is funny, that for a party called "Law and Justice", they seem remarkably keen to avoid Duda being questioned over his fraudulent expense claims. Surely if they were genuinely interested in law and justice, they would ask him to waive his immunity.
jon357 67 | 12,725    
3 Sep 2015  #79

This is a bit of a smoking gun, and not the first time a PiS politician or one of their parliamentary allies has taken the advantage of immunity.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
19 Sep 2015  #80

Another day, another scandal involving PiS and fraudulent expenses.

Son's mobile paid for by the Sejm, flights for the family paid for by the Sejm, an exceptionally high amount of kilometres claimed (for transport by car) - PiS candidate in Warsaw and current member of the provincial parliament, Małgorzata Gosiewska must explain in the prosecutor's office.

polska.newsweek.pl/malgorzata-gosiewska-afera-kilometrowka-komorka-przeloty-,artykuly,370773,1.html

Corrupt to the bone.

Interestingly, this is yet another person that was very well connected to the Kaczyński twins. She worked in Lech Kaczyński's Presidential office. So now - we have Duda, Gosiewska and Hofman - all three were very close to the twins, and all three have been involved in fraudulent expense claims. The stench of corruption around PiS grows ever stronger.
smurf 39 | 2,011    
19 Sep 2015  #81

So now - we have Duda, Gosiewska and Hofman - all three were very close to the twins, and all three have been involved in fraudulent expense claims.

Awful isn't it, they just use public finds like their own.
Will they be brought to justice?
No, why?
People shrug their shoulders and say 'that's Poland.'
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
19 Sep 2015  #82

Awful isn't it, they just use public finds like their own.

Indeed, and I notice that the usual suspects are absolutely silent on this. Just shows that they support Poland being robbed, just not by "the other guys".

Ironside? Polonius? Wulkan? Grzegorz? Come on, surely one of you PiS lovers has something to say about yet another person connected to the twins being caught.
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
19 Sep 2015  #83

PiS lovers

Dunno about anybody else, but I'm still waiting for the POO brigade to agree to an investigative commission on the tape scandal. And it's not so important who did the taping but what those recorded bigwigs actually said. People should know what kind of bandits and connivers have been misruling the country for the past 8 years.
OP delphiandomine 82 | 15,955    
19 Sep 2015  #84

Not sure what PO have to do with yet another PiS member and member of Lech Kaczynski's inner circle being discovered to be a fraudster...
Polonius3 1,022 | 13,067    
19 Sep 2015  #85

a fraudster

Like Sikorski and Nowak?
Harry 78 | 13,528    
17 Nov 2015  #86

Merged: Duda pardons Kaminski

So much for Law and Justice, clearly those no longer apply if you have the right friends.

President Andrzej Duda has pardened the former head of the anticorruption agency, Mariusz Kamiński.
Kamiński was convicted of abusing his position in March 2015 to three years of prison and 10 years out of public offices.
He had appealed the decision by the court. Mariusz Kamiński was appointed on Monday ...

Full article here: thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/229322,President-Duda-pardons-Kaminski
gregy741 3 | 1,082    
17 Nov 2015  #87

So much for Law and Justice, clearly those no longer apply if you have the right friends.

excellent news.i hope they will get to the bottom of his case.and look close to justice system,and "work" of corrupted by PO judges and their politically motivated criminal behavior.

hes case is clear example of political corruption within justice system in Poland.guy was innocent,found innocent by the very same court previously.
good move by Duda...its a statement-time to root out PO made corruption and bring back justice.same with this poor football fan,jailed for 3 years by PO appointed judges,freed recently
Rovan - | 2    
17 Nov 2015  #88

I must say i'm dissapointed. I mean my vote for Duda was accually a vote against Komorowski but still...
jon357 67 | 12,725    
17 Nov 2015  #89

Law and Justice, clearly those no longer apply if you have the right friends.

Looks that way. I wonder how many other morally questionable pardons will appear.
Harry 78 | 13,528    
17 Nov 2015  #90

I wonder if they'll bother waiting for the rest of the cases to be finished before issuing the pardons or if The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski will just summon Duda for another late-night audience and give him a list of blank pardons that are to be issued.




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