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Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?


OP Weimarer 8 | 437
14 Feb 2020 #301
@Vlad1234

UK killed 35 million people in India between 1944 and 1947.

USA killed 2.5 Million in Iraq since 2003.

USA also killed one million on Philippines. Their Motto was, kill evryone older than 12.

France killed 4.9 millions in Algeria in the 1950th.

Spare me the ****.

Why you think Hitler is so positive seen in Asia? I tell.you why, because he crushed the british Empire, the most vile, corrupted regime of all. What the UK did in India alone dwarfs evrything in WW II
Vlad1234 16 | 594
14 Feb 2020 #302
Spare me the ****.

I didn't understand that one. Did you mean something that numerous that not even worth of mentioning or something else?..
Lyzko 25 | 7,465
14 Feb 2020 #303
The Japanese mentality has often been compared to the German, pre-WWII German, that is:-)
Spike31 2 | 1,155
18 Feb 2020 #304
Tesla forced to pause Berlin Gigafactory after environmental challenge

In case of trouble Poland will welcome Tesla investment :-)

theverge.com/2020/2/17/21140666/tesla-gigafactory-4-berlin-gruenheide-environmental-protest-pause
OP Weimarer 8 | 437
18 Feb 2020 #305
@Spike31

You can have Tesla. Its vaporware. They come to get tax money, will never pay taxes and have horrible working conditions.

Take them, but i doubt your government is so retarded as ours to pump good money into bad business.
Spike31 2 | 1,155
18 Feb 2020 #306
Which reminds me of Google pulling out of startup hub in Berlin.

nytimes.com/2018/10/25/world/europe/google-berlin-kreuzberg-campus.html

This allergy to Americans will backfire. Especially since Germany is still de facto under US Army occupation since WWII
Lyzko 25 | 7,465
18 Feb 2020 #307
De facto, Spike31?
kaprys 2 | 2,122
18 Feb 2020 #308
The Internet -a place where you find out Hitler was actually a good guy because he started a war that killed just 50 million of people.
Lyzko 25 | 7,465
18 Feb 2020 #309
Exactly. The Internet is where everything gets twisted every which way, above all, the facts!
Spike31 2 | 1,155
18 Feb 2020 #310
De facto, Spike31?

And de jure as well

"Foreign armies are still based on German soil and Europe's largest and most prosperous "democracy" still lacks a constitution and a peace treaty putting a formal end to the Second World War. For Germany, World War II, like the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, lacks formal legal closure because a peace treaty has never been signed between the Allies and Germany."

hellenicnews.com/germany-still-occupied-us-58-years-christopher-bollyn-9-11-4/
Tacitus 2 | 1,018
18 Feb 2020 #311
Which is of course nonsense.

The American troops are stationed in Germany due to a treaty that can be ended by the German government. They are not an occuppation force.

Germany also has a constitution, the basic law.

There is also no lack of legal closure. The KSZE treaty, and later the treaty of final settlement between Germany and the four victorial powers solved all legal issues that needed a final settlement from the war.

Basically what those people say is, that because the constitution is not named "constitution", despite being one, and the final treaty not being called "peace treaty", despite being one, they are both lacking. Completely ridiculous. That is like claiming that the UK is an absolute monarchy, because it has no written constitution.
Spike31 2 | 1,155
18 Feb 2020 #312
@Tacitus

That's why it amuses me when I read articles from German press with voices concerned about "democracy" and a "rule of law" in Poland. Who are they trying to convince: us, themselves, German public opinion, Europe, Homer Simpson?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,610
18 Feb 2020 #313
That's why it amuses me when I read articles from German press with voices concerned about "democracy" and a "rule of law" in Poland

It's total hypocrisy. Meanwhile migrants rape and pillage at will while the police and people can't do anything about it. In the worst case they get locked up for a few nights for a mugging or deported after raping a girl. Even police have gone on record saying that the reported crime stats are B.S. and thanks to the unwillingness to hand out harsh sentences. Gotta keep the cultural enrichment going.

Hell if you end up defending yourself and severly injure or kill some kebab rapefugee you'll get in more trouble than the dude breaking into your house or raping your wife/gf.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,894
18 Feb 2020 #314
Completely ridiculous.

I do think it was a mistake not to draft a new Constitution after 1990, though. The Basic Law is a great constitution, but I think a new document wouldn't go amiss.

But well, anyone who knows anything about history knows that the 2+4 agreement ended the occupation of Berlin.
Tacitus 2 | 1,018
18 Feb 2020 #315
I do think it was a mistake not to draft a new Constitution after 1990, though

Why? The Basic Law is really good constitution and served us well so far. Drafting a new constitution would have taken years, and it would probably would not have been much different from the one we have today.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,324
19 Feb 2020 #316
The Basic Law is a great constitution, but I think a new document wouldn't go amiss.

Especially as it would be made for and with the two halves now....East-Germans just got "added" to the western Basic Law...it's nothing they have been really part of.

Drafting a new constitution would have taken years, and it would probably would not have been much different from the one we have today.

It probably wouldn't nor shouldn't be much different...but it would be a nice gesture to take the amount of time and effort...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,894
19 Feb 2020 #317
Why?

Largely for the reasons that BB suggests. It would have been possible to formalise some of the more important rulings from Karlsruhe too, while also allowing the East German people the chance to shape their country too.

I'd also say that for legitimacy reasons, it would be good to put an all-German constitution to the popular vote.
mafketis 23 | 7,814
19 Feb 2020 #318
to formalise some of the more important rulings from Karlsruhe too

Germany doesn't really do synthesis.... it chooses a direction and goes full steam ahead until it hits a brick wall.

allowing the East German people

As one friend put it, it was less 'reunification' of two parts similar if not alike in dignity and more 'complete absorption' of a weaker organism by a stronger one.
Tacitus 2 | 1,018
19 Feb 2020 #319
We didnt vote on a new constitution after the Saar area joined Germany, why should it be done after East Germany joined? Yeah, it would have been a nice gesture, but an expensive one as well that would have required a lot of time and political effort that was needed for dealing with the more pressing problems of reunification. Imagine a legal limbo for many months, if not years. Furthermore, this constitution would have been mostly drafted by West Germans, since there were few prominent East German politician and no prominent constitutional experts. Would this really have been deemed as inclusive? Additionally there is also the question if there was even a majority of West Germans who would have wanted this, and changing the constitution without a referendum would have been problematic to say the least. You don't just draft a new constitution unless there is a real need for this, not for a symbolical gestures. Of those, we really had enough. Like changing the capital from Bonn to Berlin. That was and still is a hugely painful act for people in NRW.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,324
19 Feb 2020 #320
. Like changing the capital from Bonn to Berlin. That was and still is a hugely painful act for people in NRW.

Agreed!

One must'n forget that...
gumishu 11 | 5,127
19 Feb 2020 #321
UK killed 35 million people in India between 1944 and 1947.

USA killed 2.5 Million in Iraq since 2003.

where do you get those figures from? the top of your head?
Ziemowit 13 | 3,792
19 Feb 2020 #322
Like changing the capital from Bonn to Berlin.

My opinion is that the new Germany's capital should have been set up neither in Bonn nor in Berlin, but somewhere else. That new capital city could have become a clear and visible symbol of the newly united Germany. Frankfurt am Main, for example, coud have been a good choice for that purpose. Obviously, it is more centrally located within the country than either Berlin or Bonn. Giving up on Berlin as a capital would also symbolically mean breaking up with the Prussian heritage as the city of Berlin had first become the capital of Prussia and then of the Germany united under the auspices of Prussia. Thus, Frankfurt am Main as a new capital would be a nice opening point in the new exciting chapter of the Republic's history.
Tacitus 2 | 1,018
19 Feb 2020 #323
It would have been in 1949, but moving the capital from one West German city to another in after 1949 would not have been a concialatory decision. And making the city that so perfectly embodied the German division the new division was a nice gesture. It was also a sign of of trust and hope towards the future development of Eastern Europe. You dont place your capital so close near the border unless you are sure that there won't be any future conflicts with your neighbours.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,324
19 Feb 2020 #324
Giving up on Berlin as a capital would also symbolically mean breaking up with the Prussian heritage

Yeaaaah.....nope!

Prussian heritage is goooood!!! :)

Not to forget it has been a repeated famous promise everybody knew of by the West for the East for as long as this division did go on...to start the re-unification with a broken promise would had been a bad start!

And why Frankfurt/Main? There is no other city in Germany which embodies the cold hard money more...is that enough for a capital? Would that be a good emphasis for the new Germany?

Dresden would had been better...all beautiful Gloria...a rich history....
Ziemowit 13 | 3,792
19 Feb 2020 #325
It was also a sign of of trust and hope towards the future development of Eastern Europe.

This may be actually true. Since I boarded the Warsaw-Berlin train two years ago arriving in the German capital promptly and without a border control, I am now inclined to think of Berlin as one of Poland's big cities, the only difference being that people there speak in German rather than in Polish.

Have you perhaps read this?

steffen.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/expedition-zu-den-polen-cover-big.jpg
Crow 137 | 7,988
19 Feb 2020 #326
am now inclined to think of Berlin as one of Poland's big citie

Me myself think of Germans as of Serbs who being heavily deluded making tragic lingual error. But, dobri brate Ziemowite, never underestimate power of madness and mad they are in their delusion.
Ironside 49 | 10,198
19 Feb 2020 #327
the only difference being that people there speak in German rather than in Polish.

You mean they cleaned their streets?
cms neuf - | 1,276
19 Feb 2020 #328
I love both Frankfurt and Berlin - no problem to have one place that is the center for money and another that is the center for politics - lots of other countries have that like US, Italy, India.

Away from the banks I think Frankfurt has plenty of character - great restaurants, museums, good student areas and nice countryside nearby.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,610
19 Feb 2020 #330
Of course not. In order to be a considered a proper city much less a capital in today's western europe the following must take place:

1) the native population is a minority as turd worlders and other invaders outbreed them; hundreds of thousands of natives leave the capital city as no go zones and other majority turd world areas gradually increase in size and swallow up white working class areas like in london, paris, etc.

2) at least one serious incident of spontaneous cultural enrichment per year
3) the right wing community must have added -stan to your city's name i.e. londonistan, hamburgistan, etc.
4) photos/videos of thousands of kebab snackbaring in public, blocking roads, etc. like this video of birminghamistan where 100k kebab celebrate the end of ramadumb youtube.com/watch?v=h8Kg40PQbKA

5) kebab and ninja women galore - on the sidewalks, in the markets, in the bus/tram, etc. You can't walk through the city without hearing conversations in arabic

6) mosques, mosques, and even more mosques
7) at least one well known case per year of paki rape squads kidnapping and grooming white girls
8) navigating the city and its public transportation is a video game - stage 1 begins with getting past the groups of teenage mutant ninja muslims trying to rob, pickpocket, or mug you (sexual assault, tarragush, or other forms of fondling if you choose female player), stage 2 involves choosing the car that is least likely to undergo spontaneous cultural enrichment stage 3 is the boss - it involves defeating the muslim mayor of the city who controls hordes of brainwashed leftists, feminazis, ninjas, and neckbeards.

9) propaganda - whether it's tv commercials like SAS saying "nothing in scandinavian or swedish" to some crap about ramadumb plastered all over the city's bus systems or crazed leftists and their muslim allies demanding that christian symbols be removed even from churches exteriors


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