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Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?


Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
19 Feb 2020 #331
Prussian heritage is goooood!!! :)

Prussian heritage is thought of in a dramatically different way in Germany and in Poland. Have you heard of this extremely upsetting habit of Frederic the Great who used to abduct men of exceptional height coming from different nationalities in order to force them into his army? But true, Poland has now become a certain heir to Prussian heritage having so many buildings and other stuff of Prussian origin on her territory now.

I love both Frankfurt and Berlin

Then the best solution could be to have them both as capitals: Franfurt and Berlin. The Bundestag and Bundeskanzler(in) would just commute between them. We already have this in the case of the European parliament; MPs commute between Brussels and Strasbourg. If we take into account that Luxembourg is kind of involved in this scheme, too, we could have added Bonn as well, thus we would have three capitals: the former capital od the DDR, the former capital of West Germany and the biggest financial centre of the country as an addendum. Everyone would be happy and no one would feel excluded (Bavaria, for this matter, may go separate and declare independence).
cms neuf - | 1,573
19 Feb 2020 #332
Well there are certainly kebabs - outside of Turkey I think Frankfurt is one of the best places for Turkish cuisine.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
19 Feb 2020 #333
But true, Poland has now become a certain heir to Prussian heritage ....

That's the spirit! :)

*goes out for a Döner*
Tacitus 2 | 1,130
19 Feb 2020 #334
Frederic the Great

That was actually his father, and those guys lived actually a fairly confortable life and e.g. never went to war. Of pressing people into service was the standard back then, with the British navy being particulary infamous about this.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
19 Feb 2020 #335
While you're removing stuff, how about pizza. crepe suzettes, Swedish meatballs, McDonalds etc... Why should xenophobia extend to the kitchen as well??
STUPID STUFF, GUYS!!!
Spike31 3 | 1,610
19 Feb 2020 #336
Okay...but is that enough for a CAPITAL???

And what does Berlin has to be called a capital? It is one of the poorest cities in Germany. It is not a financial center. It doesn't even have a proper airport. It does have a lot of Turkish kebab fast-food stands but that's hardly a substitute ;-)
cms neuf - | 1,573
19 Feb 2020 #338
Nice zoo and David Bowie and Currywurst
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
19 Feb 2020 #339
....and famous presidents coming and saying they too are a Pfannkuchen...

No other city has THAT!
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
19 Feb 2020 #340
JFK's famous phrase has gone down in history as the perhaps the most laughably quoted "foreign" pronouncement made by any sitting US president.
Torq 32 | 2,999
19 Feb 2020 #341
Poland has now become a certain heir to Prussian heritage having so many buildings and other stuff of Prussian origin on her territory now.

Well, in this sense... maybe, but let's not exaggerate. Remember that before the partitions Prussia meant and was nothing...



... the lands in red were stolen from Poland in the partitions. So Prussia was a parasite that grew by feeding on Polish blood, at least initially.

Now, that we got that clear, you can go back to admiring the heritage. :)
mafketis 23 | 8,360
19 Feb 2020 #342
the most laughably quoted "foreign" pronouncement made by any sitting US president

It's an urban legend..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I_am_a_doughnut%22_urban_legend
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
19 Feb 2020 #343
Exactly.

"I am a Frankfurter..." [...with or without (Duesseldorf) mustard]
"I am a Hamburger..:[...hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special order don't upset us...he-he]

Y'all get the point!

Hey, if Cem Ozdemir ever runs for Chancellor, "Ich bin ein Doener!"
LOL
Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
19 Feb 2020 #344
pressing people into service was the standard back then

But not very much of a standard to abduct them in foreign countries on a regular basis, or so I am told. Recently I have come across the story of him (yes, it was Frederic's father) kidnapping a French (or Austrian) diplomat who had this misfortune of being very tall and whose relatives had to put much effort later on into persuading the Prussians to release him from their army...

So Prussia was a parasite that grew by feeding on Polish blood

In fact, it wasn't only Prussia which did. All the three partitioning powers were embracing resources of Poland which was the second largest European country before partitions occured. But the thing often escaping attention of people in Poland is that the Prussians promptly began to improve the economic infrastructure in the newly annexed territories of Poland which was rather poor before that (the presently called 'Bydgoski' Canal is a very good example of this). And this wasn't neither the case in either the Russian or the Austrian part.

Anyway, by refering to 'Prussian heritage', I chiefly meant Silesia, Western Pomerania and East Prussia rather than such bizzare and temporary provinces as 'Southern Prussia'.

let's not exaggerate. Remember that before the partitions Prussia meant and was nothing

If you think that Prussia was nothing before 1772-1795, how would you explain their quick and successful campaign leading to the conquest of Silesia, a very rich province of the Habsburg Empire, in the years 1741-42, so 30 years before the time of the first partition of Poland? Austria was a big and a powerful country of Europe whereas Prussia was relatively tiny...
Torq 32 | 2,999
19 Feb 2020 #345
In fact, it wasn't only Prussia that did.

Yes, but only Prussia was desperate for it, as their power (and maybe even their very existence) depended on it. Austria or Russia would have been strong enough, even without Polish lands. Prussia, on the other hand, would never have become a power (not for long anyway) if it wasn't for partitions.

how would you explain their quick and successful campaign

Well, all the countries had armies, but Prussia was an army that had a country.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
19 Feb 2020 #346
but Prussia was an army that had a country.

... and because of that it wasn't 'nothing'.
Tacitus 2 | 1,130
19 Feb 2020 #347
No doubt the Polish partitions benefited Prussia, but it is worth pointing out that the events that are usually seen as marking the Prussian ascendence to one of the five major powers, the Three Silesian wars, happened before that. Crucially it was surviving the Seven Years war what confirmed Prussia's position. And while the land gained from Poland was significant, it is also important to state that Silesia - which was taken from Austria - remained Prussia's economically most important area until the acquisiton of the Ruhr Valley and the Industrial revolution.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
20 Feb 2020 #348
Prussia was responsible for land reforms which helped the enviably rapid industrialization of Germany during the middle to latter half of the 19th century!! Von Stein, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau (the latter two war ship names during WWII) represented a triumvirate of significant reformers who helped to transform Northern Germany from a rural into an industrial power:-)
Spike31 3 | 1,610
20 Feb 2020 #349
No doubt the Polish partitions benefited Prussia

It's also worth mentioning that Poland has created Prussia. A new Prussia that is, because old genuine Prussians were slaughtered by Teutons. It was Konrad of Mazovia has invited Teotonic order to Poland and that was one of the biggest mistakes in our history. I stand by my opinion that nothing good ever came to us from Germany.

That said, whenever you start feeling proud of "being of prussian" heritage remember that we've made you.
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
20 Feb 2020 #350
@Spike31

Almost all technology you have comes from Germany. I believe you should give up on your german hatred and move on.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
20 Feb 2020 #351
That said, whenever you start feeling proud of "being of prussian" heritage remember that we've made you.

Thank you ! :):):)

We could together be "honorary Prussians" and cherish our common heritage! :)
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Feb 2020 #352
I stand by my opinion that nothing good ever came to us from Germany.

I can think of a couple of things that actually were/are good...

1. Skat - played mostly in Silesia and Kashubia; a great game.

2. Transition from being a vodka-drinking country to a beer-drinking country (I posted a link here somewhere) - definitely a German influence

3. Ordoliberalism - I mentioned it also in another thread.

4. A couple of thousands of words borrowed directly from the German language - ajerkoniak, hohsztapler, majstersztyk, wihajster, urlop, fajerwerki, szyld, ratusz, szacować, warsztat - just off the top of my head.

honorary Prussians

Prussia was OK as our vassal. After that they ran wild too much.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 245
20 Feb 2020 #353
The Internet -a place where you find out Hitler was actually a good guy because he started a war

judea

@kaprys

Hitler came to power in January, 1933. International Jewry declared war on Germany already by March, 1933 so it means that Hitler didn't even have proper time to get familiar with his office and even adjust on his chair properly when International Jewry declared war on him.

archive.org/details/HitlerSpeaksAboutTheJews

johnkaminski.org/index.php/essays-by-john-kaminiski-american-writer-and-critic/9-11-legacy-false-flag-terror/81-the-curse-of-knowing

A great read are the books of one of my favorite historians David Irving, Churchill's War vol 1 and vol 2 (part three has recently come out). They can be downloaded for free on his site

fpp.co.uk

Here can be found an abundance of data about Churchill, his alcoholism, his debts and the shadowy people who first pulled him out of debt and then gave him unreserved support both in his conquest of power and in his war efforts. England continually provoked Germany and caused rebellions and uprisings of states through its developed espionage service. Poland and Yugoslavia are a great example.

"We Have Lost Our Sense of Destiny"

fpp.co.uk/speeches/DestinySpeech1990.html
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
20 Feb 2020 #354
Hitler came to power in January, 1933. International Jewry declared war on Germany already by March,

They might have read his plans in "Mein Kampf" ?

England continually provoked Germany and caused rebellions and uprisings of states through its developed espionage service.

Only when Germany became to strong...then England of course supported it's enemies. If France for example got to strong, England supported Germany instead...it's what "perfidious Albions" always do!
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 245
20 Feb 2020 #355
jabotinsky

ZIONIST JABOTINSKY: "WE WILL START THE WAR AGAINST GERMANY"

Huns

1917 - "THE HUNS ARE COMING !"

Nazis

1942 - "THE NAZIS ARE COMING !"

Muslims

2001 - "THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING !"

SAME OLD TACTIC OF SCARING......
ANOTHER ENEMY

Lyzko 25 | 7,139
20 Feb 2020 #356
Vesko, we don't need any more Nazi sympathizers on this Forum than we already have, thank you very much!
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
20 Feb 2020 #357
@Lyzko

And you decide who is Nazi? For you evrything right of Che Guevarra is Nazi.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
20 Feb 2020 #358
Quit makin' stuff up and grasping at straws!
Spike31 3 | 1,610
20 Feb 2020 #359
I believe you should give up on your german hatred and move on.

Look who's talking :-D

It's a sad historical fact not hatred. Name one positive intereaction between Poland and Germany except after the year 1989

ajerkoniak, hohsztapler, majstersztyk, wihajster, urlop, fajerwerki, szyld, ratusz, szacować, warsztat

And let's not forget folksdojcz and szpicel :-P
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Feb 2020 #360
Name one positive intereaction between Poland and Germany except after the year 1989

"We forgive, and ask for forgiveness."

Beautiful.

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