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Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?


Spike31 3 | 1,625
20 Feb 2020 #361
"We forgive, and ask for forgiveness."

You've actually started making sense, @delphian. It needs to be clarified that reconciliation was started by Polish side, a Catholic Church to be precise.
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
20 Feb 2020 #362
@Spike31

When we fought united and pushed the turks out of Europe at the battle of Kahlenberg at Vienna. It was Poles and Germans who stood side by side.

24.000 poles
21.000 imperial germans
10.500 bavarian germans
9.500 southwestern germans
9.000 saxon germans.

74.000 against 115.000 turks.

And we won. We Germans and you poles under the leadership of a polish king.

I see that as positive.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
20 Feb 2020 #363
...and an Austrian Emperor:-)
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Feb 2020 #364
reconciliation was started by Polish side, a Catholic Church to be precise.

Good point.

74.000 (...) We Germans and you Poles under the leadership of a Polish king.

Yes, of course, the presence of all the infantry and cavalry most certainly helped, but so many people nowadays, when analysing the battle of Vienna, tend to overlook the role of Saint Virgin Mary. I shall therefore mention it very briefly here:

- King Sobieski's confessor, father Stanisław Papczyński (canonized by Pope Francis in 2016) had a revelation in which Saint Virgin Mary promised Polish Army a decisive victory (and She, as usual, kept her promise);

- on his way to Vienna, our king stopped for a day at Jasna Góra monastery, where he prayed and served for Mass;

- He visited other sanctuaries on his way, went to seven churches in Cracow, and finally, on 15th August (Feast of Assumption of Mary), he rejoined his army;

- it is worth mentioning that most of the soldiers who set off with King Sobieski were either members of the Sodality of Our Lady or Rosary Brotherhoods;

- the army carried with them (with utmost reverence) the painting of Victorious Mother of God from Mariampol (the same that helped to defeat Turks at Chocim);

- at the same time in Cracow, in the intention of victory over Turks, there was a procession from the Wawel Cathedral to the Marian Church, carrying the miraculous painting of Victorious Saint Virgin Mary of Rosary;

- directly before the battle Jan Sobieski addressed his troops, blessed them with relics of Holy Cross, and with Bogurodzica (traditional Polish Marian song, and the first anthem of Poland) on their lips the army charged the Turkish hordes...

... the rest is history.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
20 Feb 2020 #365
And we won. We Germans and you poles under the leadership of a polish king.

Poles and Polish is written with capital letter. This low key German arrogance is why you're dissed in Europe.

My next example may cure you: A Prussian Homage

"As a symbol of vassalage, Albert received a standard with the Prussian coat of arms from the Polish king. The black Prussian eagle on the flag was augmented with a letter "S" (for Sigismundus) and had a crown placed around its neck as a symbol of submission to Poland."
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Feb 2020 #366
Prussian Homage

Aaaah... good old days, and good old Prussia (before they started running wild). :)
Tacitus 2 | 1,130
20 Feb 2020 #367
Watching a Polish and German nationalist duking it out is really amusing (as long as they dont get their hands on guns).
Spike31 3 | 1,625
20 Feb 2020 #368
@Tacitus

Especially since Polish nationalism has a future and German one has only past.

as long as they dont get their hands on guns

Speaking of which, I'll get my licence and my hunting rifle on April :-)
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
20 Feb 2020 #369
It needs to be clarified that reconciliation was started by Polish side, a Catholic Church to be precise.

Indeed. For me, it's a remarkable example of humanity and good will towards others.

Those words should be repeated during every historical commemoration, in my opinion.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
20 Feb 2020 #370
A glib remark, Spike31, but I'm not even so sure that Polish nationalism has as much of a bright future as you may think.

If anything, it's the Croats, Slovenes, and of course, the Serbs, against whom we must all be on our guard!

Lyzko, please stop "chopping" your sentences by the "enter" key
Ziemowit 13 | 4,063
20 Feb 2020 #371
when analysing the battle of Vienna, tend to overlook the role of Saint Virgin Mary

The problem with the role of Saint Virgin Mary is that in many other battles where Poland lost, the prayers to Virgin Mary wouldn't have been listened to at all. And because such battles were lost, those prayers would have been forgotten about for ever, so you cannot write about the role of Mary in them now.

You should understand one thing, Torq. Saint Virgin Mary has never occupied herself with hostile encounters between the fighting armies and will never ever do this in the future.

Polish nationalism has a future

And what bright future does Polish nationalism have? Do you pray to Saint Virgin Mary for the victory of the Nationalist Party in the next parliamentary election in Poland? I don't really think SHE would be engaging herself in such projects ...
Torq 32 | 2,999
20 Feb 2020 #372
Saint Virgin Mary has never occupied herself with hostile encounters between the fighting armies

*Ziemowit plays "Deny Saint Virgin Mary's contribution to Polish military victories" card.*

Player gets:

+10 brown-nosing to foreigners
+ 5 political correctness
- 15 true polishness
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
20 Feb 2020 #373
@Spike31
You see an attack where no attack is. I typed on my mobile phone and because of that the p was written small. Dont be so sensitive when you dont know if it was on purpose or just a mistake, ok?

And German nationalism as a good future. We are a powerful country with a powerful far right rising.

German nationalists and Polish nationalists can maybe even work together in certain fields. Like reforming EU.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,063
21 Feb 2020 #374
Ziemowit plays "Deny Saint Virgin Mary's contribution to Polish military victories" card.*

You'd better present a list of battles lost by Polish military despite having cried to Saint Virgin Mary for divine help before you start playing the card of brown-nosing or political correctness.
johnny reb 23 | 4,497
21 Feb 2020 #375
Very very well put Ziemowit.
While I believe the Catholic Religion is a very beautiful religion, it's those superstitions that ruin it for me.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
21 Feb 2020 #376
German nationalists and Polish nationalists can maybe even work together in certain fields.

They already do. The far right use to squabble and fight - Russians vs Poles, Italians and Croats, etc. Now they've wised up and realized they're not enemies after all and they're much better off as a united front against multiculturalism and all the kebab that's flooded and continues to flood Europe.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
21 Feb 2020 #377
Now they've wised up

Tell that Spike...he is a true nationalist of the old sort...hating all other people's nationalists.

That's what makes them so often the loser! The inability to look outside of their little box and find allies with common interests...the left is so much smarter than that, they have internationalism in their DNA!
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
21 Feb 2020 #378
@Dirk diggler
I agree. A french nationalist, spanish nationalist, italian nationalist must be my friend. We must stand united.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
21 Feb 2020 #379
he is a true nationalist of the old sort...hating all other people's nationalists.

Wrong. I'm simply putting the interest of Poland before everything else. It is called "nationalism" not "inter-nationalism" for a reason.

That said when a cooperation benefits Poland I would cooperate.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
21 Feb 2020 #380
That's why the lefties and globalists win and nationalists lose...their inability for alliances and true cooperation!

The former work together and build a fist...the latter look only after themselves and stay easily breakable lone fingers.
Spike31 3 | 1,625
21 Feb 2020 #381
That's why the lefties and globalists win and nationalists lose...their inability for alliances and true cooperation!

That's not exactly correct. Polish Ruch Narodowy [National Movement] does cooperate with main Italian, Hungarian and Slovak national movements. There are talks with French and Spaniards from VOX too.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
21 Feb 2020 #382
...stop kidding around!

Look what the globalists build together and what nationalists build together....a few "talks" or a common torch march isn't going to cut it!

...and do you know why globalists are so much smarter than nationalists?

Because most nationalists I know of only want to destroy what the globalists did build...what made them so strong and powerful. Like the EU for example. They only want to stay the lone fingers, where everybody cares and fights only for themselves...they want to break up that powerful "fist"....that's enough for them. No better plans for afterwards....

Instead to do it like them, or to take over...to become also that powerful...TOGETHER!

But that would be a totally different kind of game...to complicated for most nationalists...bitchfighting with their neighbours is what they know best, why change?
Torq 32 | 2,999
21 Feb 2020 #383
Instead to do it like them, or to take over...to become also that powerful...TOGETHER!

Der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen, eh? Marxist style... *shivers* ... an efficient tactics, but cowardly and despicable. I don't think Saint Virgin Mary would approve of such perfidy. Where is the honour in that? It's better to lose like a man, than to win like vermin.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583
21 Feb 2020 #384
Der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen, eh?

Long, difficult...needs passion and ideas....but cowardly?

It's better to lose like a man, than to win like vermin.

Of course! Now that you say that...that has a certain ring to it! :)
Torq 32 | 2,999
21 Feb 2020 #385
but cowardly?

Cowardly and sneaky. Smuggling lies and deception in guise of truth. I don't think good guys can win by becoming as rotten as the bad guys.

Of course! Now that you say that...that has a certain ring to it! :)

The day is coming, BB. And it will be a good day to die - like men. :) *shakes hands*
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
21 Feb 2020 #387
@Spike31

Why not with us? Without German nationalists, the whole movement loses momentum. Thats a simple fact. We are neighbors.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Feb 2020 #388
I'm simply putting the interest of Poland before everything else.

So, if the interest of Poland is to lock you and your family up "in the national interest", you'll support that action?

Good to know.
AntV 2 | 192
21 Feb 2020 #389
Look what the globalists build together and what nationalists build together.

How do you define nationalists? It seems like every group or movement or political party that wants to protect its sovereignty is being lumped together, even though they have completely different political philosophies and policies. The AfD in Germany appears to be much different than, say, the Freedom Caucus in America, for instance.
Miloslaw 7 | 3,260
21 Feb 2020 #390
@AntV
I agree.
BB is oe of those that accepts Patriots but rejects Nationalists.
But I don't think it is as black and white as that.
Most Nationalists are Patriots and many Patriots are Nationalists.
Where and how do you draw a line?

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