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Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?


OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #451
@Torq
Dont take it personal. Its nothing against eastern europe. Its Just that im mostly interested in nature and i dont think there is much that i cant see here.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
23 Feb 2020 #452
I was kind of like

No you weren't and if you were you are influenced easily.

back seeking a connection to the my ancestors

You should just quit that nonsense of being a German and come back home.
Torq 32 | 2,999
23 Feb 2020 #453
No you weren't and if you were you are influenced easily

Well, prehaps you are right - I was never as narrow-minded as you, but my attitude towards Germany has certainly changed, because realpolitik and well-being of Poland must always take precedence over old grudges and resentment.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
23 Feb 2020 #454
I was never as narrow-minded as you,

lol! A lot can be said about me but not that I'm a narrow-minded fellow.

my attitude towards Germany

As you might know or not. I have a distant family in western Germany. So, I have been visiting them with my elders ( who could speak German) a few times on holidays. I can distinguish between individual people and a German state. So my attitude doesn't need or needed to adjust. It only a question of perspective.

If you think that I was motived by grudges you are wrong. In politicks you play as your cards let you. You or Spike are just like children in a fog with your sincerity.
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #455
@Ironside
What does your grudge against us change? You can do nothing againts us, so you only grow frustration
Ironside 49 | 10,311
23 Feb 2020 #456
What does your grudge against us change?

what grudges?

You can do nothing againts us, so you only grow frustration

Me as Me? I can spit on a street in Germany or litter it. Me as in my state - you would be surprised what they could do with the right people in charge. OK, let stop this kindergrenden stuff.
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #457
@Ironside

Really? Spitting on the street or littering it? Thats your powers?

I think your greatest power is to make a fool out of yourself. But it worked. I already had my abs training today and the laughing flash let my belly hurt.

Look Ironside, i understand polish complex. You are sandwiched between two powers. In West Europes economic hegemon Germany, in East a more and more agressive Russia.

No matter who is in charge in your country, nothing with change that fact. You should reconcile about that and review your ideology.

As i said, im a german nationalist and have no problem to work together with polish nationalists i certain areas.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
23 Feb 2020 #458
Thats your powers?

Well what's yours? I think you should came out of the closet Ms RED ridding hood!

o work together with polish nationalists i certain areas.

no problem - first form a government unless you have something else it mind.
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #459
@Ironside

We are biggest oppossition party in Germany and a huge branch in EU parliament. AfD and your government party already work together in EU. :)

What my powers are? Well im really good in benchpressing and quite smart.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
23 Feb 2020 #460
We are biggest oppossition party in Germany

And yet the AfD had to trick people in order to get them to stand for local elections:

welt.de/politik/article205672007/Bayern-Vaterstetten-AfD-soll-Senioren-Listenplaetze-untergejubelt-haben.html

What kind of dirty game is this?
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #461
One guy made a mistake. Meanwhile Frankfurts SPD mayor gave his wife a job as indergarten teacher with a higher salary than the chancellor and a Lambo as working car.

I find that slightly more dirty.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
23 Feb 2020 #462
Germans will surely learn the errors of Hoecke's ways and see the the liberal agenda, with some alterations, is the only path for Germany.

If they don't, they and the rest of Europe will have hell to pay, that's for sure.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
23 Feb 2020 #464
Look at the past in order to gain perspective on the present!
1933 - "Der Staatsakt" - Hitler shakes a doddering Hindenburg's hand in the latter's moment of weakness.
2020 - Hoecke shakes Ramelow's hand in front of Thomas Kemmerich in a last ditch concession by the SPD to curry favor with the enemy

The tell-tale signs are smackin' ya in the face, buddy:-)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
23 Feb 2020 #465
No, I mean your "...Europe will have hell to pay..."....what do you mean with that?
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
23 Feb 2020 #466
@Lyzko

AfD got record high results here in Thüringen, higher than anywhere else. And Höcke is leader in AfD Thüringen. Beside that, it was Höcke wo staged this genius plan against CDU in my state which worked perfectly and basicly destroyed Merkels CDU
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
24 Feb 2020 #467
But destroying Merkel is, once again, throwing out the proverbial baby with the proverbial bathwater. The only logical future for Germany or any country
must be democracy, using debate and discussion, not strong-arm tactics a la Donald Trump!
mafketis 23 | 8,404
24 Feb 2020 #468
destroying Merkel is

something she's done to herself.... as I always say the maximum time a head of state/government can be in power before becoming irrevocably alienated from the public is 10 years (give or take two depending on other factors). she's well past her sell-by date and germany needs new leadership.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
24 Feb 2020 #469
However a leader, like a spouse, best friend or trusted ally, unless intentionally set out to betray or ruin, is NOT like a commodity which can be exchanged, disposed of at will and "traded in", heaven forbid, for the latest model! We're talking about a human being here, who's busted a gut trying to do what she thinks is right.

Merkel has become the most trusted politician/statesman in Europe among thinking people who value democratic values. Why pander, as does our US-president to the cacklings, hoots, or idiotic rhetoric of a frustrated, if unenlightened, minority?

If change in policy is what is required as is the case with Merkel's immigration policies, then let it be effected DEMOCRATICALLY, in open forum, and, as in the UK, through an honest, well-thought out vote of no-confidence.

Folks sure were slow to want to impeach Trump, why then so quick to condemn Merkel and boot her out of office early? She's about ten years younger than Trump anyway:-)
mafketis 23 | 8,404
24 Feb 2020 #470
among thinking people who value democratic values.

the 'no true scotsman' argument = invalid

she saw over the single biggest policy bungle since WWII and helped eviscerate the Greek economy - she's no longer fit for purpose
Tacitus 2 | 1,136
24 Feb 2020 #471
Yeah right, it was Merkel's fault that the Greek economy collapsed and not years of mismanagement, tax evasion and corruption by the Greeks.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,590
24 Feb 2020 #472
Merkel has become the most trusted politician/statesman in Europe among thinking people who value democratic values

I came to dislike her...to what does that make me?
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
24 Feb 2020 #473
Think you just answered you own question, pal:-)

@Maf,
How are you fit to judge whether or not she's "fit" to govern or not?
OP Weimarer 10 | 620
24 Feb 2020 #474
Merkel is hated in Germany and thrown insults and tomatoes at wherever she goes. She is propably now more popular in Poland than in Germany.

The irony is, that here in Germany from AfD she is now often called by the polish name of one of her ancestors, to show that she is not even a real German.

Dont know how this is in Poland, but the biggest flaw in our system, is that a chancellor can stay foever in ever. Merkel was ok in her first 8 years and tehn more and more slipped into madness.

I dont agree with evrything Höcke says and does but he is intelelctual superior to all those idiotic politicians and merkelists. And im thankful for what he achieved.

Höcke fired a shot at Merkel and her system, she cant recover from. The CDU now fights internal and breaks apart. The tidal forces inside teh CDU now get so powerful, that the entire party starts to blow up. The CDU now behaves like the chaotic and collapsing SPD. That is Höckes achievement and i can only bow my head infront him for this coup.

You contradict yourself btw. Now you say we must all use discussion and debate? Really?

How so? The old system parties call us facists, nazis. They attack us openly and fund ANTIFA thugs that attack us. What debate and discussion do you have, when you insult us that way? Attack us that way?

There is no debate left and no discussion, just grief and anger.
mafketis 23 | 8,404
24 Feb 2020 #475
How are you fit to judge whether or not she's "fit" to govern or not?

How are you fit to judge whether Trump is fit to govern or not?

Times arrow doesn't stop and it's very hard to think of a head of state/government that was effective in any kind of beneficial manner after 12 years in office..... She represents (and seems to care for) private financial elites and/or a bunch of migrant randos than German citizens many of which are no longer benefiting from her outdated neoliberal agenda...
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
24 Feb 2020 #476
@Maf,
I'm a born US-citizen, you're not a German citizen. If anyone, only B.B. or Tacitus here on this forum are fit to judge whether or not Ms. Merkel is.

@Weimarer,
You are exceedingly unenlightened and represent, hopefully, only a small, disaffected fringe of German society which wants to thrust Germany, and in so doing, the rest of Europe, back into the Dark Ages, where bigots burned a man for daring to think differently!

You people are on the wrong track (Ihr seid da auf dem Holzweg) and by the time you realize it, your country will have long since become de-railed.
Tacitus 2 | 1,136
24 Feb 2020 #477
People often only realize later what they had in a leader. People were glad when long-time kings like Louis XIV and Frederick II died, because they craved change, but changed their mind later when it became clear that their successors could not live up to them. The same counts for politicians. People breathed a sigh of relief when Bismarck and Adenauer resigned, but their tenure is nowadays remembered as a really good time. People are now sick of Merkel because she has been so long in power, but in 20 years she will be remembered as the greatest European politician of her time.
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
24 Feb 2020 #478
Spot on, Tacitus!
mafketis 23 | 8,404
24 Feb 2020 #479
she will be remembered as the greatest European politician of her time

By bankers....

only B.B. or Tacitus here on this forum are fit to judge

I can have and express an opinion on the matter, especially since I live next door....
Miloslaw 7 | 3,264
24 Feb 2020 #480
in 20 years she will be remembered as the greatest European politician of her time.

That is the funniest thing I have read on PF in ages......hilarious.......

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