Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?

I didn't understand that one. Did you mean something that numerous that not even worth of mentioning or something else?..

The Japanese mentality has often been compared to the German, pre-WWII German, that is:-)

Tesla forced to pause Berlin Gigafactory after environmental challenge

In case of trouble Poland will welcome Tesla investment :-)

theverge.com/2020/2/17/21140666/tesla-gigafactory-4-berlin-gruenheide-environmental-protest-pause

@Spike31

You can have Tesla. Its vaporware. They come to get tax money, will never pay taxes and have horrible working conditions.

Take them, but i doubt your government is so retarded as ours to pump good money into bad business.

Which reminds me of Google pulling out of startup hub in Berlin.

nytimes.com/2018/10/25/world/europe/google-berlin-kreuzberg-campus.html

This allergy to Americans will backfire. Especially since Germany is still de facto under US Army occupation since WWII

De facto, Spike31?

The Internet -a place where you find out Hitler was actually a good guy because he started a war that killed just 50 million of people.

Exactly. The Internet is where everything gets twisted every which way, above all, the facts!

And de jure as well

"Foreign armies are still based on German soil and Europe's largest and most prosperous "democracy" still lacks a constitution and a peace treaty putting a formal end to the Second World War. For Germany, World War II, like the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, lacks formal legal closure because a peace treaty has never been signed between the Allies and Germany."

hellenicnews.com/germany-still-occupied-us-58-years-christopher-bollyn-9-11-4/

Which is of course nonsense.

The American troops are stationed in Germany due to a treaty that can be ended by the German government. They are not an occuppation force.

Germany also has a constitution, the basic law.

There is also no lack of legal closure. The KSZE treaty, and later the treaty of final settlement between Germany and the four victorial powers solved all legal issues that needed a final settlement from the war.

Basically what those people say is, that because the constitution is not named "constitution", despite being one, and the final treaty not being called "peace treaty", despite being one, they are both lacking. Completely ridiculous. That is like claiming that the UK is an absolute monarchy, because it has no written constitution.

@Tacitus

That's why it amuses me when I read articles from German press with voices concerned about "democracy" and a "rule of law" in Poland. Who are they trying to convince: us, themselves, German public opinion, Europe, Homer Simpson?

It's total hypocrisy. Meanwhile migrants rape and pillage at will while the police and people can't do anything about it. In the worst case they get locked up for a few nights for a mugging or deported after raping a girl. Even police have gone on record saying that the reported crime stats are B.S. and thanks to the unwillingness to hand out harsh sentences. Gotta keep the cultural enrichment going.

Hell if you end up defending yourself and severly injure or kill some kebab rapefugee you'll get in more trouble than the dude breaking into your house or raping your wife/gf.

I do think it was a mistake not to draft a new Constitution after 1990, though. The Basic Law is a great constitution, but I think a new document wouldn't go amiss.

But well, anyone who knows anything about history knows that the 2+4 agreement ended the occupation of Berlin.

Why? The Basic Law is really good constitution and served us well so far. Drafting a new constitution would have taken years, and it would probably would not have been much different from the one we have today.

Especially as it would be made for and with the two halves now....East-Germans just got "added" to the western Basic Law...it's nothing they have been really part of.


It probably wouldn't nor shouldn't be much different...but it would be a nice gesture to take the amount of time and effort...

Largely for the reasons that BB suggests. It would have been possible to formalise some of the more important rulings from Karlsruhe too, while also allowing the East German people the chance to shape their country too.

I'd also say that for legitimacy reasons, it would be good to put an all-German constitution to the popular vote.

Germany doesn't really do synthesis.... it chooses a direction and goes full steam ahead until it hits a brick wall.


As one friend put it, it was less 'reunification' of two parts similar if not alike in dignity and more 'complete absorption' of a weaker organism by a stronger one.

We didnt vote on a new constitution after the Saar area joined Germany, why should it be done after East Germany joined? Yeah, it would have been a nice gesture, but an expensive one as well that would have required a lot of time and political effort that was needed for dealing with the more pressing problems of reunification. Imagine a legal limbo for many months, if not years. Furthermore, this constitution would have been mostly drafted by West Germans, since there were few prominent East German politician and no prominent constitutional experts. Would this really have been deemed as inclusive? Additionally there is also the question if there was even a majority of West Germans who would have wanted this, and changing the constitution without a referendum would have been problematic to say the least. You don't just draft a new constitution unless there is a real need for this, not for a symbolical gestures. Of those, we really had enough. Like changing the capital from Bonn to Berlin. That was and still is a hugely painful act for people in NRW.

Agreed!

One must'n forget that...

where do you get those figures from? the top of your head?

My opinion is that the new Germany's capital should have been set up neither in Bonn nor in Berlin, but somewhere else. That new capital city could have become a clear and visible symbol of the newly united Germany. Frankfurt am Main, for example, coud have been a good choice for that purpose. Obviously, it is more centrally located within the country than either Berlin or Bonn. Giving up on Berlin as a capital would also symbolically mean breaking up with the Prussian heritage as the city of Berlin had first become the capital of Prussia and then of the Germany united under the auspices of Prussia. Thus, Frankfurt am Main as a new capital would be a nice opening point in the new exciting chapter of the Republic's history.

It would have been in 1949, but moving the capital from one West German city to another in after 1949 would not have been a concialatory decision. And making the city that so perfectly embodied the German division the new division was a nice gesture. It was also a sign of of trust and hope towards the future development of Eastern Europe. You dont place your capital so close near the border unless you are sure that there won't be any future conflicts with your neighbours.

Yeaaaah.....nope!

Prussian heritage is goooood!!! :)

Not to forget it has been a repeated famous promise everybody knew of by the West for the East for as long as this division did go on...to start the re-unification with a broken promise would had been a bad start!

And why Frankfurt/Main? There is no other city in Germany which embodies the cold hard money more...is that enough for a capital? Would that be a good emphasis for the new Germany?

Dresden would had been better...all beautiful Gloria...a rich history....

This may be actually true. Since I boarded the Warsaw-Berlin train two years ago arriving in the German capital promptly and without a border control, I am now inclined to think of Berlin as one of Poland's big cities, the only difference being that people there speak in German rather than in Polish.

Have you perhaps read this?

steffen.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/expedition-zu-den-polen-cover-big.jpg

Me myself think of Germans as of Serbs who being heavily deluded making tragic lingual error. But, dobri brate Ziemowite, never underestimate power of madness and mad they are in their delusion.

You mean they cleaned their streets?

I love both Frankfurt and Berlin - no problem to have one place that is the center for money and another that is the center for politics - lots of other countries have that like US, Italy, India.

Away from the banks I think Frankfurt has plenty of character - great restaurants, museums, good student areas and nice countryside nearby.

Okay...but is that enough for a CAPITAL???

Of course not. In order to be a considered a proper city much less a capital in today's western europe the following must take place:

1) the native population is a minority as turd worlders and other invaders outbreed them; hundreds of thousands of natives leave the capital city as no go zones and other majority turd world areas gradually increase in size and swallow up white working class areas like in london, paris, etc.

2) at least one serious incident of spontaneous cultural enrichment per year
3) the right wing community must have added -stan to your city's name i.e. londonistan, hamburgistan, etc.
4) photos/videos of thousands of kebab snackbaring in public, blocking roads, etc. like this video of birminghamistan where 100k kebab celebrate the end of ramadumb youtube.com/watch?v=h8Kg40PQbKA

5) kebab and ninja women galore - on the sidewalks, in the markets, in the bus/tram, etc. You can't walk through the city without hearing conversations in arabic

6) mosques, mosques, and even more mosques
7) at least one well known case per year of paki rape squads kidnapping and grooming white girls
8) navigating the city and its public transportation is a video game - stage 1 begins with getting past the groups of teenage mutant ninja muslims trying to rob, pickpocket, or mug you (sexual assault, tarragush, or other forms of fondling if you choose female player), stage 2 involves choosing the car that is least likely to undergo spontaneous cultural enrichment stage 3 is the boss - it involves defeating the muslim mayor of the city who controls hordes of brainwashed leftists, feminazis, ninjas, and neckbeards.

9) propaganda - whether it's tv commercials like SAS saying "nothing in scandinavian or swedish" to some crap about ramadumb plastered all over the city's bus systems or crazed leftists and their muslim allies demanding that christian symbols be removed even from churches exteriors

Prussian heritage is thought of in a dramatically different way in Germany and in Poland. Have you heard of this extremely upsetting habit of Frederic the Great who used to abduct men of exceptional height coming from different nationalities in order to force them into his army? But true, Poland has now become a certain heir to Prussian heritage having so many buildings and other stuff of Prussian origin on her territory now.


Then the best solution could be to have them both as capitals: Franfurt and Berlin. The Bundestag and Bundeskanzler(in) would just commute between them. We already have this in the case of the European parliament; MPs commute between Brussels and Strasbourg. If we take into account that Luxembourg is kind of involved in this scheme, too, we could have added Bonn as well, thus we would have three capitals: the former capital od the DDR, the former capital of West Germany and the biggest financial centre of the country as an addendum. Everyone would be happy and no one would feel excluded (Bavaria, for this matter, may go separate and declare independence).