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Abortion still under control in Poland


pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,641
In Poland ?

Yep, in Poland. Your infantile amazement is priceless. :):)

Cite the law that makes it so

Amasing you don`t know what we have discussed here for a few years now.

That's the law in Poland

Their surprise at the news only shows how deeply they are interested in Poland and its issues. They come here entirely to quarrel if a foetus is a person, the feelings of women completely don`t matter to them. Reminds me of PiS and other rightists and the RC church - they demand women deliver defected pregnancies and then leave them on their own with their problem.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
9 Jan 2023 #2,642
I didn't realize there were that many defective births in Poland until I came to the Polish Forums.

Your infantile amazement is priceless.

Attack the post and not the poster.

the feelings of women completely don`t matter

You should have a change of attitude about bad mouthing women and other members here.
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,643
women and other members here.

Are they pregnant and consider abortion??? Coz in this thread we are discussing such people..... Ha! If you mean non-pregnant ones you need to go to other threads. Simple.

the post

Your post contained your utter disbelief so I was correct commenting on it in that way. Ha!
Novichok 4 | 7,668
9 Jan 2023 #2,644
Amasing you don`t know what we have discussed here for a few years now.

Can you cite that law or not?
Adam123
9 Jan 2023 #2,645
Hmmm.. has anybody ever tried applying this reasoning to leftists themselves?

Do they have awareness of reality? Zero
Are they people? No, they refer to themselves as 'humans' instead
Can they think? No, they just repeat the same tedious shite over and over again like programmed machines.

Seems like they meet all of their own criteria for abortion?
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,646
Can you cite that law or not?

On 22 October 2020, Poland's discredited PiS controlled Constitutional Tribunal ruled that abortion on grounds of "severe and irreversible fetal defect or incurable illness that threatens the fetus' life" was unconstitutional. The ruling came into force on 27 January 2021.

amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/poland-regression-on-abortion-access-harms-women/

Seems like they meet all of their own criteria for abortion?

Too late. :):) You have to live with them in one society. You can always move somewhere else if you don`t like the society you live in. E.g, travel to Russia. :):L):)
Adam123
9 Jan 2023 #2,647
weneedalaw.ca/2020/12/canada-has-no-abortion-law/

Amnesty are pretty quiet about this!!! This is what Donald Tusk is building his platform on to please his Strajk Kobiet friends, previously you could argue for 12 weeks etc. but what has happened in Canada/USA proves that the slippery slope is inevitable.
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,648
previously you could argue for 12 week

PiS destroyed the wise compromise which had lasted for decades. Now pro choice activists will not give up until they get full service for abortion. Rightists can blame themselves for acting stupid.
Adam123
9 Jan 2023 #2,649
It's a bit psychopathic no? Like do what we say or we'll kill children!! perhaps PiS underestimated the level of psychopathy at play.
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,650
The logic in your post is sort of warped. Can you improve it???
Adam123
9 Jan 2023 #2,651
It's not warped, the 'wise compromise' was one side wanting to kill children and using it as a bargaining tool, i.e. ok we won't kill children and you don't force religion down our throats, everybody agreed?
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,652
the 'wise compromise'

The compromise meant that abortions were not widely available and applied only to most serious cases. Now, when PiS crazy law is abolished, abortions will be performed on demand in all cases.

Is that what you wanted?
Probably yes, coz rightists always need to flame the situation to the maximum to gain maximum effects at the elections. It has worked well for them so far. The problem is that the society is leaving the Church in droves and this PiS` tactics won`t bring good results anymore - pro-choice movements and parties will win everything sooner or later.

Think about it before you commit such a silly mistake again in the future. Are you able to ???
Adam123
9 Jan 2023 #2,653
I've only been invested in the abortion question when i realised that parts of US and Canada allow full term healthy babies to be killed for no reason at all. This offends me very deeply, and it truly dismays me to see Tusk wanting to take Poland down the same path and not speaking out against what's happening across the Atlantic. I lost all respect for him in light of this, I wouldn't even want to listen to him talk now.
pawian 200 | 21,488
9 Jan 2023 #2,654
it truly dismays me to see

Complain not to me but to PiS who destroyed the wise compromise which had been observed in Poland since early 1990s. They enraged many people. In result, soon the pregnancies will be aborted on demand any time.

I lost all respect for him

You can`t lose what you didn`t have. :):):)

I wouldn't even want to listen to him talk now.

It doesn`t matter. What matters is that nearly 30% Poles listen to him and the number is growing. Adding other opposition parties, PiS is outnumbered.
Adam123
10 Jan 2023 #2,655
If Poland starts engaging in unrestricted abortion then that will be the end of Poland, there is no way back from that.
jon357 71 | 20,799
10 Jan 2023 #2,656
then that will be the end of Poland,

It hasn't been the 'end of' other countries which respect a woman's voice, has it...
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
10 Jan 2023 #2,657
If Poland starts engaging in unrestricted abortion then that will be the end of Poland

Come Judgement Day these Cultists will be held accountable for murdering children by ending their life.
Adam123
10 Jan 2023 #2,658
Except it's not the voice of women is it? It's the voice of men like you
jon357 71 | 20,799
10 Jan 2023 #2,659
Indeed, women have spoken and they're overwhelmingly pro-choice
Lenka 3 | 3,076
10 Jan 2023 #2,660
@Adam123
Don't fool yourself, a lot of women want lighter abortion law.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
10 Jan 2023 #2,661
It's the voice of men like you

MEN ?
And man that promotes the stopping a child's life at it's first stage of an embryo for convenience is no man.
The Woke LBGTFU's are here to indoctrinate their ilk Marxist agenda as the New Norm.
Beware ! they are Satan's wolves wearing sheep's cloths by confusing extreme reasons for an abortion with it's a womans choice to kill her baby at will.
Adam123
10 Jan 2023 #2,662
We are not talking about lighter abortion law, as pawian has indicated the pro-death activists want full unrestricted abortion in Poland.

I think you are right @johnny reb, the Fabian Socialists (the Labour Party the UK) even had a wolf in sheep's clothing as their original emblem.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
10 Jan 2023 #2,663
So you are suggesting that Pawian & joun are being paid to indoctrinate with their Woke agenda here ?
If so, I would have to agree.
Abortion is a huge topic in Poland as well as the rest of the world as you can see by the 2663 posts in this thread.

However when you have those two taking turns challenging every anti-abortion post by repeating themselves word for word over and over and over again like a wolf on the payroll would do to indoctrinate and promote an agenda.

They have been coached very well to say the least.
Why else would two old men in their late 50's bang on about abortion day after day, month after month (unless they are on a payroll) when it doesn't affect them directly ?
Adam123
10 Jan 2023 #2,664
Yeah you could be right, there does seem to be something very off about them, almost like arguing against a computer.

Perhaps they are being paid by PiS to **** people off so much they vote PiS?
Novichok 4 | 7,668
10 Jan 2023 #2,665
Indeed, women have spoken and they're overwhelmingly pro-choice...

...because women are not responsible for the survival of the tribe, they don't invent anything, they don't like taking risks, they don't construct anything, and they don't produce the tribe's wealth.

All those pleasures are left for the men.

When women start talking numbers and limits they will be taken seriously. The first question for them to answer: How many pregnancies can be terminated each year while maintaining the reproduction rate at 2.1? Instead, all we hear from them is me and mine. That's why there were no women in Sitting Bull's wigwam.
jon357 71 | 20,799
10 Jan 2023 #2,666
they vote PiS?

As fewer are now than they did before.

women are not responsible for the survival of the tribe

They are in fact.

Not that we are a 'tribe'.
Lenka 3 | 3,076
10 Jan 2023 #2,667
because women are not responsible for the survival of the tribe

And then you talk about how women aborting kids would finish off the tribe...so which is it?
Novichok 4 | 7,668
10 Jan 2023 #2,668
Until you define the upper limit on abortions whatever you say is an irrelevant deflection. So what's that number? Don't forget that 2.1.
Lenka 3 | 3,076
10 Jan 2023 #2,669
How many pregnancies can be terminated each year while maintaining the reproduction rate at 2.1?

'All - 2' for 50% of women and 'all - 3' for 50% of women

The logical falacy is that it's not about how many pregnancies a women will abort but about how many she will keep.

But then I talk to a halfwit that after years of banging about the topic didn't know the laws he was discussing
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
10 Jan 2023 #2,670
Are women in Poland aware of getting their tubes tied after having as many kids as they desire like they do in first world countries ?

God forbid a woman should be held accountable for her actions.


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