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Abortion still under control in Poland


jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,611
Is it a person though, with an awareness that it is alive?
Novichok 4 | 7,669
8 Jan 2023 #2,612
In a coma, you wouldn't be aware that you are alive. SFW?
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,613
Which is why life support systems are turned off..

There's a difference though; someone in a coma still has a brain. An embryo does not.
Novichok 4 | 7,669
8 Jan 2023 #2,614
You are lying. A "fetus" has everything that will be needed later - the heart, brain, eyes, ears, legs, and arms.

Nice switch, though, from "awareness" to "does not" have a brain.

BTW, how aware are YOU when you are asleep and drunk?

OK, you will not be asleep and drunk in 8 hours. That "fetus" will be "aware" in 8 months. Same thing.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,615
It's a living human.

I don't think he is hearing us.
Let's try a simpler approach for him like you would a little kid.

Is it a person though, with an awareness that it is alive?

Is the larva a tadpole ?
Is a tadpole a frog ?
Does the tadpole know that someday it will be a frog ?
Both are living beings and you want to murder the human one.
Twist and turn it with your Woke indoctrination all that you want to, and it will still be a living being.
(Human being)
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,616
I don't think he is hearing us.

We hear them, however most people in the world don't agree with them.
pawian 200 | 21,490
8 Jan 2023 #2,617
Both are living beings

Yes, we understand it all.
However, women have to have a free choice coz they have been discriminated by oppressive males for too long. Now the time for the full liberation has come.

you want to murder the human one.

No, I don`t. Stop lying coz doing so you are damaging the reputation of anti-abortionists. It is harmful to your agenda.

I only fight for free choice to people who don`t share your views. Simple.
mafketis 35 | 11,556
8 Jan 2023 #2,618
they have been discriminated by

discriminated against.... 'to be discriminated' is not used by native speakers
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,619
We hear them, however most people in the world don't agree with them.

So you are implying that most people don't agree with stopping a life is not killing ?
I don't think so joun.

women have to have a free choice

Are you implying that women have the free choice to kill ?
I don't think so P.

I only fight for free choice to people who don`t share your views

As a Christian I understand that P as in, "Thou shall not kill". Simple
You can fight for anything you want however that does not automatically make you and your cause right.
pawian 200 | 21,490
8 Jan 2023 #2,620
however that does not automatically make you and your cause right.

Nor does that with cause. You cherish certain beliefs and you have the right to them. However, you don`t have the right to impose them on others against their will. Simple.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,621
Are you trying to imply that murdering an innocent defenseless child is a right ?
I don't think so P.
pawian 200 | 21,490
8 Jan 2023 #2,622
child

No, I am only saying that not all people believe a foetus is a child. They don`t share your views and have the right to do as their choose. Simple.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,623
So you have now gone from a living being to a child.
Are you implying that i's o.k. to kill the tadpole but not the frog ?
You old Flip Flopper you.
So what about pulling a living human being out of its mother's womb piece by piece ?
Are you saying that is not taking a life and should be a choice too ?
I didn't see you at mass this morning.
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,624
So you are implying

So you're trying (and failing) to twist words.

As you were told, most people in developed countries are not anti-choice.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,625
So you're trying (and failing) to twist words.

Yes you are joun and failing miserably.
As you were told, most people does not change the fact that stopping a life is not killing.
Is this a big issue with your husband also ?
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,626
That's a rather weak response, isn't it.

Fortunately most developed countries permit women to terminate pregnancies.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,627
No, it is a very strong one that you are unable to challenge with any intelligence.

Fortunately most developed countries permit women to terminate pregnancies.

Rather a weak response to deflect from killing by intentionally stopping a life.
So what about pulling a living human being out of its mother's womb piece by piece ?
Is that not killing ?
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,628
No, it is a very strong one

it isn't.

Is an embryo a person?
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,629
it isn't.

But it is because you can't challenge it with any intellect and have to keep repeating yourself with a very weak point.
That makes mine a very strong one.

Is an embryo a person?

More Rinse & Repeat
Is killing an embryo not killing ?
You have already been blown out of the water by echoing that for months now.
As you have been told, you have run out of material and need to admit that repeating yourself only diminishes your opinion.
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,630
intellect

This isn't an intelelctual issue; it is a medical/social one.

point.

Nor is this an american-style debating club. It is abouyt real women and their right to choose whether ot not to continue with a pregnancy; something widely accepted in civilised societies.

More Rinse & Repeat

So is an embryo a person or not?
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,631
This isn't an intelelctual issue;

intellectual
Now I see why you are so confused

It is abouyt real women and their right to choose whether ot not to continue with a pregnancy;

about
It's about the right to kill a human being

So is an embryo a person or not?

Is killing an embryo not killing ?
Novichok 4 | 7,669
8 Jan 2023 #2,632
It's about the right to kill a human being

Exactly. The law is clear on this subject. We can legally kill or terminate life of another human being under several circumstances. From executions and self-defense to abortion.

What we legally allow and what we don't comes from our collective morality and sense of outrage. The abortion rights freaks had their day and we, the society, find what they want repugnant.

The ultimate outrage: later-term abortion of a viable baby that is ready to come out and say hi.
jon357 71 | 20,799
8 Jan 2023 #2,633
we, the society, find what they want repugnant.

Except most don't now, do they ..
Novichok 4 | 7,669
8 Jan 2023 #2,634
They do. In the abortion heaven, doctors would be allowed to actually murder a child who through luck or incompetence escaped being aborted while inside. Actually, that pos Barak Obama, when he was a state senator in Illinois, voted against the bill that would make it criminal. That's the ultimate depravity of pro-abortion nazis.

So there is a range of abortions: from "kill 'em again" outside to the first missed period.

Where do you stand within that rainbow?

Is there a red line you would not allow abortion doctors to cross or is everything OK as long as the "mother" is happy and the child ends up in the clinic's disposal bin?
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
8 Jan 2023 #2,635
as long as the "mother" is happy and the child ends up in the clinic's disposal bin?

Exactly Novi, or sold for stem cell, yet the enemy will claim that it is the womans "choice".

However, you don`t have the right to impose them on others against their will. Simple.

If that is true wouldn't it only be fair to say that it is the father's "choice" not to pay child support against his will ?
Novichok 4 | 7,669
8 Jan 2023 #2,636
Nobody is imposing anything on a pregnant woman. We impose things on licensed physicians by giving them a list of permitted procedures.

When a man inseminates a woman, he becomes a party to the deal. Just as later they both need to consent to sell their house, a woman should be required to obtain the sperm donor's consent to abort and, thus, break the agreement to have a baby with him.
pawian 200 | 21,490
8 Jan 2023 #2,637
Nobody is imposing anything on a pregnant woman.

Not true, as always.
Rightists impose on pregnant women to deliver the pregnancy to the end even if they know the baby will not survive a few hours due to terminal defects.
johnny reb 40 | 8,624
9 Jan 2023 #2,638
even if they know the baby will not survive a few hours due to terminal defects.

In Poland ?

Rightists impose on pregnant women

Woke Libitards are the ones trying to impose killing babies with free abortions.
Get your facts straight.
Novichok 4 | 7,669
9 Jan 2023 #2,639
Rightists impose on ...women to deliver ... the baby will not survive a few hours due to terminal defects.

Cite the law that makes it so. The absence of an exemption will be sufficient.
Lenka 3 | 3,076
9 Jan 2023 #2,640
Cite the law that makes it so.

That's the law in Poland for few years now


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