Abortion still under control in Poland

Yes, the previous law was not ideal, but it was more humane... if that's the right word. :-/


Not really. Abortion has been a matter of law all over the world as well. In Poland abortion, fully on demand without limitations, was legal only between 1943-45 under Nazi occupation.

Yes, in a patriarchal society. But I hope you noticed that it is slowly becoming a song of the past.... Today women are breaking off the chains that dominating males put on them in the past and abortion has become again what it really is: a matter of conscience. Anybody who wants to make it a matter of law dreams of reviving dinosaurs.


That is just one single date in 20th century. Tell us about 19th century, for example.

That's why women are so miserable now. Women are submissive sex and are bound to be unhappy with a man who is unable to take charge of her.

I've already debunked this lie of yours at least once before already. It looks like pawian is right - you must be suffering from dementia.


Are you sure you live in Poland? ;D

Can somebody with a functioning brain answer this question: What percentage of pregnancies should society allow its doctors to abort and still be sustainable? Just to clarify ...100% means that no babies are ever born.

@Novichok, people with functioning brains don't answer your "percentage questions", because those questions of yours are often ridiculous. Just like when you ask "how many gays are too many?". We don't get to decide how many gay people are born. Nature takes care of that and they've always been a small minority in the society. And in case of abortion - if a 16-year-old girl gets pregnant, since her boyfriend asked her not to use a condom, because he "loves her so much" (*rolls eyes*) and she wasn't able to get contraception pills, it doesn't mean that this girl once she's an adult and ready won't get pregnant. So how are we supposed to answer your question?

Majority of women usually want to have children eventually at some point in their lives, so you don't have to worry about babies not being born. And if you want more babies to be born then make becoming a mother an attractive option for women. For example, by making them feel safe to get pregnant (without them being afraid that they'll end up dead, because a dying fetus is more important than their lives).

"if a 16-year-old girl gets pregnant"

and gets an abortion (sorry, I forgot to add this bit).

Yes. I do know you are in denial, and not going to admit it. But deep down you are aware that the only way to be truly happy for you, is to kneel at the feet of your master.

Yes, I do know you are not going to admit it. I will not respond to your pretended protestations any further.

@Korvinus, I bet you live in your mommy's basement and such fantasies of yours help you to cope with the situation ;D


What's wrong, "macho boy", you can't handle me? Haha :D

Get back to the topic please

there is a proof of it here. Read up few post up. Your argument were stupid, there is no law that stop doctors from preforming an abortion in order to save the mother's life. Checkmate.

Oh, so you're saying the 19th century was less "patriarchal"? :)


And on this humorous note from Pawian I end my participation in this thread. :)

I never claimed there's such a law. But it turns out that's just theory, because in practice, as we can see, in Poland these days it's more problematic.

you claimed that it happened because of the law in Poland. That makes you a stupid person or a nasty lying pro-abortion freak.

@Cojestdocholery, yes, "because of the law in Poland" and not that there's a law that prevents saving the mother's life by performing an abortion. And I wrote that, among others, because that's what the patient from Pszczyna wrote - that the doctors were waiting for the baby's heart to stop beating because of the abortion law.

Btw, earlier you compared performing an abortion in such a situation to "treating a headache by beheading the patient". Have you changed your mind now, Mr. "Doctor"? So an abortion may be necessary in order to save a pregnant woman's life after all?

If so, we need to show compassion and support such women. Christian compassion is the best.


What makes you think so? I didn`t notice it. Quite the contrary, they feel better and better coz they are gradually demolishing the harmful patriarchal society ruled by fake machos who need to control women in order to keep their fake machismo a secret.

Yes, that was exact PIS` intention - to modify the existing law so that it would work only in theory.

I thought the intention was to enrage the public to the point where they would demand changes to the constitution - a process during which PiS would reshape it into a neo-PRL mess that would make it possible for them to maintain power forever.....

Wow, I didn`t know it.

If women didn't lie about rapes there would be no Wikipedia about women lying about rapes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape


Bullsh*it. No society ever decided to annihilate itself. When the reproductive rates are too low to maintain the current headcount, that society is dying.

How can the reproductive rate be too low? Easily, darling. Quoting:

Replacement fertility is the total fertility rate at which women give birth to enough babies to sustain population levels. According to the UN Population Division, a total fertility rate (TFR) of about 2.1 children per woman is called replacement-level fertility.

More gays, lesbians, and abortions means lower TFR. Got it?

Did you notice that 2.1? It's not about feelings, civil rights, feminism, and crap like this.

It's a cold and unforgiving number. You drop below it, and your tribe dies.

And keep the patriarchal society intact?? No way! We must stand up and fight!

Noone claims that no woman ever lied about getting raped. False accusations happen in all kinds of crimes. And that Wiki article is about rapes in general, not only about rapes on women. Not only women get raped. Girls, boys, kids and men get raped too.


So? Do you know of any nation that is dying because of abortions? Also, lesbians and gay men aren't exactly "multiplying" to such an extent that would endanger the existence of whole "tribes".

Leave women alone, darling. First you need to teach white fake macho males to give up their fake machismo and start taking real care of their women and families. Then, I assure you, women will be only too happy to bear 5 kids each.

Either white fake machos understand certain basic things or your fekking tribe will die. Let it be, I don`t care.

@pawian, exactly :)

Although:


I wouldn't go that far :P ;)

yes. :):) The problem is Novi won`t accept it coz he is stuck in the ruts of the old patriarchal society. At least I hope his daughters are wiser than him and also lucky to have found and bonded with decent males who take care of the family and help their wives without losing their traditional masculinity.

No, he is right. They would be happy. Avarage woman seek security. Then, its possible.

OK, let`s have a compromise - 4. It is my last word, I can`t go down any further - we do need people.

Bullsh*it again. Name one case where a man falsely accused another man of rape.
Women do it routinely during divorce and custody hearings.

He wrote that they turned "leftist", so I'm guessing they're simply normal ;) :)


That's unrealistic for Polish conditions though... Majority of people in Poland live in small flats. Two kids is the norm where I live, max 3...


I think I recall some accusations by some guy against Kevin Spacey that turned out to be false? You don't hear about rapes on men often, because men are usually too ashamed to report them.


Can you prove it?

Do you really want me to explain the difference between groping and rape?
And how do you know the accusation was false?

@Novichok, I don't remember what that case was all about exactly. If it was about groping then it's still a sexual assault about which, in theory, one can lie about.


I don't, but apparently he claimed he had some kind of proof a (a video?) that he didn't provide in the end? I didn't follow that case further, so I don't know how all of it ended. But apparently there were some doubts whether he's telling the truth.

Frequently. Google it.

Hard to know how this relates to the kangaroo 'court' decision on abortion.