Abortion still under control in Poland

In most countries in Europe, they are. Or token restrictions.


It's rare we agree. The women's movement say that false allegations are (in their frequent words) "vanishingly rare". The so-called 'men's movement' (losers the lot of them) say it's as much as 30%. Neither are right and neither of those stats have any basis. The UK government say that 9% of (all) prisoners are probably innocent of the crime for which they're convicted, the Henriques Report (into the false allegations of a turd called Carl Beech) suggested 7%. I wouldn't like to guess at a figure however yes, false allegations happen.

That's veering away from the topic, since if abortion is allowed in some places after rape, who decides? If the doctors wait for a conviction, the baby will already be born. If they do it after an arrest and the person isn't charged, are they guilty of murder?

Let a woman decide if she needs an abortion.

I am so glad you asked. Of course, the woman - if she does it literally within hours after the alleged rape. Then, the "morning-after" pill is a simple remedy that even the pope would approve. Nobody in his right mind would call abortion, either. Three months later - it's not a "rape".

Rape has its own step-by-step sequence. Immediately after: 911, hospital, rape kit, pill, police, home, shower - in that exact order.

Better just to allow abortion without adding extra complications.

I was responding only to the demand for abortion after "rapes" - a classical camel's nose under the tent since the claim of rape cannot be disproven.

Once it's allowed, all restrictions are off.

Wisely so.

So at least let's be honest about that rape and abortion as a tactical move. Once we do that, I am cool and will admit that the ploy will work very well on the masses out there that know nothing and see logical thinking as torture and mental abuse.

Or desperation if a woman needs an abortion and can't just get one by going to the doctor and asking for one.


It's neither a 'tactical move' or a 'ploy'. If such things happen (do they?) it is entirely practical.

Let`s hope they won`t miss any step on you after you are raped by a big black bloke who sells you a disease, darling. Add one more step at the end: after the shower, come to the forum and tell us how it all felt. OK?

Aha, you are a mind reader. Assumptions like that are made by stupid people or by nasty people.

Or the actual doctors involved.

If they are that stupid, mistakes are being made that obvious, you solved it.

Are doctors stupid?

Or do you just personally disagree with their professional actions in a (life/death) complex medico-legal situation from your layperson's point of view.

They must be if they think like stupid people.

No, they don't think like you at all. They make complex medico-legal decisions based on their years of training, the Hippocratic Oath and the legal framework in which they operate.

Yes, and they know that if they abort the deformed fetus too early when it is still alive, then they will be prosecuted by PIS fanatics who will try to convict them or at least revoke their professional licenses. That is why those two doctors in Pszczyna hospital delayed as long as possible to make sure the fetus was dead inside that poor woman.

That was a direct outcome of PiS` law. Anybody who claims otherwise is a liar or idiot. Simple.


Brilliant reply, I must remember it to use on Novi and other maniacs one day. :)::):)

AS a humble GP I know nothing about all those complex decitions, you sir must be famous in the medical field, neurochirurgien perhaps.

Except you aren't.

The people who made the decisions are however real doctors.

Not that there is anything 'humble' about GPs...

I see you know all and see all. you even lower yourslef to talk with mortals. What a man.What a god!

Yourself.

So how many pregnancies in percent can be terminated per year under the feminists' dream plan? I mean, what's the upper limit? 20%? 50%?
How about no limit with plan B being importation of the world's surplus nobody else wants to keep Poland's economy humming...
Me, a genius again...

Why are you so obsessed wjith numbers? Leave them alone and let women decide. If they go for 20 or 50 or 100 %, , it is not your business and nothing that you can decide about. You are wasting time, darling.


No, of course not. You are just a nosy hater who wants to control women and their life. If I was a woman, I would tell you: Bugger off!

@pawian


I've been watching interrogation videos lately on YouTube starring parents who did not want to take care of their children anymore, so they killed them. That made me wonder: Why is it anyone's business what one person does or two people do to their own children? I mean, the children are not productive members of society yet. They just consumed resource. Why does society get to decide what happens to those children? Well maybe they are too much of a burden on parents, society even. Like, we should just leave every decision to pro-choice women, because that can do nothing but good, right? 🤥 (I hope the point I'm making is understood)

Because you can give away already born kid.

You cannot however give away a fetus.

I hope the point I'm making is understood.

Already born and fully developed children?

If so, you have mistaken threads, I am afraid. Go to a crime thread, instead.


Perfectly.


You tried but you failed. :(:(:(

Explanation: I already said it a few times - I am against abortion and right now my attitude is that I would never have it, for various reasons. But some women have the right to think differently and I am fighting for that right to have a choice.

I hope the point I'm making is understood.

Not really. He's probably just speculating about possible consequences of people being allowed to arbitrarily decide which children and when to kill.

Philip K. Dick's The Pre-persons come to mind.

So it means you are following his mistake. Because a lot of people don`t consider a fetus a child. And that is the essence of the pro-life versus pro-choice controvercy - some people do, some don`t.

That's the crux of the matter. Tons of paper have been used to write about the problem. Who is to decide when "a fetus" becomes a child? And if we give ourselves this right to arbitrarily decide the age until which it is legal to kill the child, then if 3 months is OK then why not 6 months... or 9? Or 8 years?


Same here.


Well, it all depends what choice we are talking about.

No, it doesn`t, it is always a woman`s choice. If you get pregnant, you will have this choice, too. Work on it if you want. :):)


Every individual in his or her own conscience. Forcing anybody to adopt the view they don`t believe in is coercion.

So you support the right to legal abortion on demand (even though you wouldn't have it yourself)?


Well, every individual can decide in his or her own conscience whether to steal money from the bank or murder his neighbour - that's obvious. The question is: should it be legal?


Like the view about private property or the right of another person to life that they don't believe in? You are oversimplifying the matter, Pawian. It's very unlike you.

I supported the previous compromise which PIS destroyed.


You are again mixing things. Abortion is a matter of conscience while robbery or murder have been a matter of law since Hammurabi times.