Abortion still under control in Poland

Groping is not even close to "sexual assault". It's inappropriate touching and in many states, unwanted touching is usually a misdemeanor, especially for a first offense.


Most likely he was since Kevin was accused by many of such behavior.

In Polish both rape and groping are called "przestępstwo seksualne". I don't know what is the right term in English. For me it would be a "sexual assault". How would you call it? "Sexual misdemeanor"? lol


Well, if he was a woman men like you would claim that the acuser is lying because Spacey is rich and the woman wants to get money from him. I'm guessing that this man was also suspected of such intentions?

Oh, and what about boys and then grown men accusing Michael Jackson? Were they telling the truth or not? Were they after his money or not?

right. pay no attention to the idiots, it just encourages them.

Call it what it is. Groping or improper touching. The first thing a cop or a parent would ask is: did he rape you or did he just touch your privates?

English has both terms for a reason.

Whataboutism is cute but it does not show the statistics. Women rape men, too, but only an idiot would bring it up when sexual violence is discussed.

Lets get this back to topic please

"Lets get this back to topic please"
OK.
Unlimited abortions are pure evil. Abortions should be limited to extreme cases, not to I changed my mind situation or accidents while drunk.

Poland is right.

@Novichok


Amen!
Catholic church, if I'm right, allows abortion ONLY under the circumstance that the woman's life is in danger AND the baby's life is ultimately terminal. The motive in this case, preserve life where a life can be preserved. I might be wrong on if it is the Catholic Church's ruling.

But abortion is mostly to save not life, but save lifestyle.

Can you please tell us what Catholic Church has to do with it?
Last time I checked it was a religious organisation and not law making one

The cold and clammy hand of Ordo Juris has had its role in recent decisions and as you know, influence from the RCC is of course strong here.

How about commenting on the essence of his post:


He used CC as a point of reference. He could as easily be the originator of this thought and it would not be any less brilliant.


The RCC exists solely to influence. Influencing is its only mission.

To me that is the essence. My question is : why on earth I should care what CC says on the issue?

If he will say what his stance is I will comment on that. I will ask for example:


What if it does endanger the life of the women but the baby is healthy?

Then the baby will be removed and will die in the same manner and for the same reason why a leg is amputated to save the leg owner's life. Zero dilemmas. As I said earlier, when the woman's life is on the line, nothing matters - laws, religion, customs. Nothing.

And for a very practical reason: she is the one that has a contract with the hospital and she cannot be replaced. The baby - now dead - can be replaced with another baby. Just give it a year or so...

And did I ask you? I already know what you think about it.
You were nagging me about OdrowazP post.

Nagging? Get married and stay married for a while to experience "nagging".
On the other hand, your comment about the CC was a pure deflection from the core issue. Plus, what the CC in Poland says carries more weight than anything.

@pawian


No I mean human being who already exist regardless of stage of development

No,it was a question on why the poster thought it important to mention CC.

@Lenka


Last I checked Poland is still a very Catholic country, making Catholicism a major source of our moral based laws.

They (or the Polish Episcopate at any rate) play a pretty big role in society and have a lot of influence in government.

It's no accident that the three states in Europe with the strictest abortion laws are Poland, Malta and the Vatican.

@Novichok


I actually hardly come here, rather just saw this thread and wanted to drop my thoughts here.

Most Poles don't seem to follow CC on certain issues. And the law is for all, not just Catholics.

If we wanted to do that we would have to ban divorces.

@Lenka


An excellent and well frames question!
Don't kill the baby.


Whoops! I shouldn't have said "our" because I am not an inhabitant of Poland. Just genetically Polish.

And kill the women? Lovely. Can you explain to me why the fetus life is more important than the women?

Good advice if doable. A woman may find herself in a situation where pregnancy is a threat to her life. A coma after an accident, heart attack, cancer...Those are priority one and have nothing to do with morality or religion.

@Lenka


If the baby is terminal regardless and an abortion saves the woman, fine. But if killing a healthy baby saves the woman's life, that's bad, as measures are still being taken to intentionally execute one life. In the prior scenario, the baby's demise is incidental, that latter must purposely destroy a life.

Both thr Woman and the Baby are of equal value. It is the Pro-Choice advocates who value one above another and dehumanizing the other.

Yes, but you could deem it self- defence.

A foetus is not more important than a person.

@Lenka

Self-defense is if a person is attacking you. A baby existing doesn't count. A toddler with a knife doesn't count. A ten year old with a hammer shouldn't be killed either. 15 year old with a gun...Now we can have a discussion. But a baby existing.... no.

@jon357


Well a foetus (young life) is a person.

Notice everyone the dehumanization? No
wonder there's that Hitler/Anti-abortion poster.

If the baby inside her endangers her life it is. Whether it's somebody attacking you at night or a fetus that is doing it from inside the end result is the same isn't it?

How about getting treatment that will save the mother but kill the baby? Let's say radiation or something. Would that be allowed?

This discussion starts and ends with that sentence.

@Lenka


No, the baby is innocent.


That's the point. If the baby can survive, do not murder the baby. Also majority of Abortions are out of convenience anyway, not health.