Abortion still under control in Poland

But I still killing the mother.


So if the treatment saves the mother but kills the baby (not normal abortion but side effect of the treatment ) it's a no no too?

I'm happier and happier that I'm not Catholic.

A fetus is not a baby. A fetus that threatens the life of the mother might have to be killed. If that sticks in your craw that's on you. The mother (a sentient adult) has more moral standing than a fetus. Always.

Woman are free to decide.

A foetus is not a person. They have no consciousness.

Which is why most countries here in Europe do not ban abortion.

The thing is pregnancy and giving birth always poses certain risk. Every women does (or should) take that into account. But not to be given the right to save yourself when possible is...well scary.

There are of course women that make such decisions and they should be given every support but a women that decides differently should be equally supported.

I don't know how I would feel if for example my mom was a single parent of 4 and decided to sacrifice herself and leave me and my siblings...

They are a living being with a soul.
Killing a living being is murder one.


Neither do you but God still loves you.

Not under the law.

If a deity exists and can create a Universe, S/he can just as easily deal with 'souls' of foetuses.

Then it can create a Universe where pregnancy doesn't endanger women's life.

That's a stupid argument. When I was under anesthesia yesterday I had no consciousness. So what?


...by we don't have to approve their choices by not licensing what they want.
I want the little finger of my left arm amputated. Now what? So much for that idiotic "my body, my choice".

Which law ?
The "Thou shall not kill law" ?

Within this corner of the Universe that S/he created, medical procedures are constantly developing. Including safer abortions available on demand.


And he didn't even notice...

@Lenka


Not purposely, only existing.


If the intention is to kill the baby, that's bad.

No, the intention is to save mothers health/life but the treatment kills the baby.


Would have been better if there was no need for them

True, however in the absence of that, there's no reason at all for abortion not to be free and on demand.

OK, skip double negatives and tell us why we should allow abortion to be free and on-demand. And don't forget my little finger I want to be amputated - freely and on-demand.

Go. I am all eyes.

Nobody needs to justify their opinion to you.

@mafketis


Like a child is not an adult, irrelevant.


Why?


no

@Lenka


But there is an innocent life.

You have to have one to justify. "Free and on-demand" is so embarrassingly stupid that no adult with a functioning brain should ever ask for it.

You don't even know what "free" means. You just saw some screaming broads on TV and are now parroting it.
You saw that stupid "my body, my choice", too, and want to convert this insanity into a law.

So, what about my little finger. Nobody will amputate it for me...Damn...


Next time ask if there is a single woman anywhere who said: "my fetus" just kicked. Not a single one. They all said, "My baby just kicked".

Was normal in Poland once and is the norm in swathes of the world.


Learn some manners or be quiet.

So what? The death penalty was once normal in Poland.
Your kind is too scared to explain what "free and on-demand" means. I asked for the definition and all I got was some pussified clown to blow it off and from you - silence.

know that slogans are easier when the brain is not working very well.

A pointless false equivalence, made for the sake of saying something. Meanwhile, a woman has died in Poland due to the recent 'court' ruling.


You can keep on asking. Better still, go back over the thread since all issues concerning Polish abortion law have been covered already here.


Statements like that reflect badly on you.

And you wonder why people don't want to discuss things with you.

OK, I looked. "Free and on-demand" is not defined anywhere. You are a liar.

Why not read the thread. It's 70 pages long and you can see every opinion here.

Goodnight.

I don't give a damn about "every opinion". You used the term "free and on-demand", you define it.
The crap you are giving me now means you don't have clue what that term means. You just saw it on some screaming broad's shirt.

@Novichok


Not sure what the opposition is. The point was raised to me that a fetus is not a baby, which I deemed irrelevant. Just as an adult is not a child and a teenager is not a toddler, a fetus is not a baby. But all are still human beings.

I argued that nonsense by asking: when does a "fetus" become a baby? It's a valid question since there is no such thing as 30% fetus and 70% baby, for example. So it must be a snap.

The abortion feminazis never answer that question. To pass the vomit test, they just play word games.

I admit that 5 minutes after conception, it's not a baby. It's life, though. This brings us to the detectable heartbeat test. When we hear it, now, it's a baby - with every organ, legs, hands, and head. Plus, we all can see it on the screen. End of discussion.

The most moronic of all arguments is that "fetus" has no consciousness, and, therefore, it's a fetus, not a baby. It's so stupid that I will not dignify with my response. How about if knows the alphabet...

@Novichok
Oh I will agree with you there a lot.
There should be thoucg a lot more embracing of the word "fetus" from Latin fētus meaning "offspring." Embryo, fetus, baby, they're all stages of human development, and we can't let people get away with using the word fetus to dismiss the humanity of the "baby.:

fetus is a medical term, baby is an emotional one - the two are orthogonal, it's like asking when a strawberry becomes delicious....

But you are happy to have the women die. Why? Is she not innocent?

For misogynists, a woman is always guilty where as a foetus is 'pure'.