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Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government


THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #151
Compare Poland with other european countries....not stable, no growing economy, begging for help, broke.!

I think its only a matter of time til the bubble bursts. A false economy being propped up by EU funding. The gov is juggling its finances, patching holes from funding given for one purpose to cover another. The truth is at street level. Where ever I go people are moaning about the current situation, higher prices, frozen wages etc. And not to mention the deficit constantly rising. If no one controls this predicament, then the outcome could be likened to Greece.

I worked in Germany for 2 years before the reunification and wouldn,t have believed the decline had I not visited friends afterwards. What a difference.

the country is now stable politically

They,re arguing like s**t.

PO's greatest achievement has been stability. People are investing - big time.

On the contrary. Foreign investment has fallen. People as you put it. What people ? Investing in what "big time" ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
16 May 2011 #152
BB, you should know that all manner of BS is said when discussing the economy. The Polish economy was a success story in experiencing growth whilst others were going through a recession. Not stable? Oh really? Unlike Russia, Poland doesn't depend on one main product to prop it up.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #153
I think its only a matter of time til the bubble bursts. A false economy being propped up by EU funding.

EU-funds are not automatically used wisely, we learned that the hard way...
When they are used to prop up the consumerism (buying stuff, welfare etc.) instead to invest in infrastructure, industrialization, building of an economony it ends bad (Greece).

But do you really think that is what happens in Poland? And what would Kaczinsky do differently?
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #154
But do you really think that is what happens in Poland? And what would Kaczinsky do differently?

If I was to be as optimistic as other posters here, then I would have to have my head up my jacksie. I am not proposing Mr. K specifically, but a tight governance is crucial to steer Poland in the right direction and lets face it, nobody likes reforms, especially when it means tightening your belt. Tusk is too soft and afraid of losing popularity. He is putting his vanity before his country, that,s not my idea of a good leader.

Country comes first. That means the people.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #155
See Bratwurst your German... typical german scum that Poles..myself included do not like. Mind business of your own country.

So...you would like me better when I downtalk and ridicule Poland and it's achievements? I can do that too..
A polish joke maybe?

;)

Tusk is too soft and afraid of losing popularity.

What about that?

web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/ECAEXT/0,,contentMDK:22767787~pagePK:146736~piPK:146830~theSitePK:258599,00.html

Education reforms

monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1628776.php/Poland-approves-pension-reforms-designed-to-cut-deficit

Pension reforms

bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c2837.extract

Healthcare reforms

....reforms everywhere....
Ironside 50 | 11,258
16 May 2011 #156
By imbeciles I mean all those who critisize Tusk`s government for increasing the national debt and budget deficit but at the same time complain about low salaries, cuts in state spendings, no pay and pension rises, high taxes, etc etc.

When you put one and one together what do you have left Mr genius ?I'm talking about above quote.

When you work faking hard at last, the debt will diminish.

You did it, you made me laugh, you are surly joking, you cannot be that naive.
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #157
What about that?

Well I dont think education reform is relevent.
As for the pensions reform, lets wait and see if it gets the green light.
I don,t trust the facts and figures presented by Poland to the EU, and will only be satisfied when Poland enters the Eurozone and the countrys finance is properly assessed by the European central bank.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #158
Education reform is extremely important...when you plan to achieve industrialization, that is.
Where should the skilled worker, the inventors, builders, developers, do'er come in polish future when the education sucks? They can't work all on farms...

...Poland now ranks 9th among all countries in overall reading scores on PISA,the only transition country to go from being below the OECD average on PISA to above average.

You can also downtalk a country without need...especially when there are no alternatives present.
Ironside 50 | 11,258
16 May 2011 #159
Don`t you know Poland has chosen the urban warfare option, which means that the conflict will be fought not in fields but cities?

WTF? You have no clue!Have you?

what is the point of sending them to schools

Not enough kids to keep up with current level of employed teachers - the teachers union supported Tusk -he paying off his voters !
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #160
Education reform is extremely important

As you say, in the future, I agree.

Who provides the figures ? Capones main accountant was Polish afterall.

BTW, have you noticed Ironside having a go at pawian. Hehe...!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #161
As you say, in the future, I agree.

It's all about the future...to put in place the right reforms NOW to make the country work in the future.

8 years back the Schröder government put in place hard fought reforms Germany today profits from. We very probably wouldn't be the "economic powerhouse" that we are today without them.

(Didn't stop him from falling out of favour with the electorate though who begrudged him the said reforms...)
OP Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
16 May 2011 #162
Tusk is seen as a beacon of stability in Eastern Europe by business.

Slogan again. Definately not by the Polish one. You mean foreign corporations ? Prove it, provide facts. Did Poland's share in foreign investments located in Central Europe grew in times of Tusk ?

That in itself is a huuuuge achievement in the current crisis...

What the government did to make that happen ? Like I said, It's an achievement of the government as much as nice weather over the summer. Please provide facts If you don't agree with me -> changes made by the government, which improved the economy.

What about that?

LOL ! "Pension reform" is a huge step backward, one of the worst things they have done, Education reform was done many years ago and health reform's main idea is commercialisation of individual hospitals without changes in the system, which will probably result in public property worth tens of billions being taken over for pennies by various cliques.
gumishu 11 | 5,692
16 May 2011 #163
One of the biggest achievements of Tusk govenrment is that it eventually scoffed and shredden Mr Tusk's plan to join the Eurozone as fast as possible as declared by Mr Tusk on September 8th of 2008 at Krynica Econimic Forum - (the plan was one bold PR stunt and garnered critisim from broad spectrum of people)
ktos
16 May 2011 #164
Forget Tusk & Kaczynski and elect Palikot. He stands not only for much faster reforms but also for ideals which could finally unite the Poles.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 May 2011 #165
Slogan again. Definately not by the Polish one. You mean foreign corporations ? Prove it, provide facts. Did Poland's share in foreign investments located in Central Europe grew in times of Tusk ?

I think the endless new offices, warehouses and factories going up in Poznan and Wroclaw speak for themselves.

Where ever I go people are moaning about the current situation, higher prices, frozen wages etc.

What's new? They've moaned about that for years in Poland. Then again - if you're only talking to PiS voters, no wonder they're complaining. Most people I know are happy with the situation - a lot of them remember the hardships of the early 1990's and realise now that things are definitely on the up.

They,re arguing like s**t.

Stable means that the political parties are stable, the Government looks likely to win re-election - all in all, stable. We've settled into a four party system quite comfortably - really, it's fine.

On the contrary. Foreign investment has fallen. People as you put it. What people ? Investing in what "big time" ?

Well, duh - there's an economic crisis going on, didn't you see that? As for investments - open your eyes!

but a tight governance is crucial to steer Poland in the right direction and lets face it, nobody likes reforms, especially when it means tightening your belt.

You do realise that tight governance would probably send quite a lot of people into financial difficulty? KRUS reform alone would send a lot of small farmers into poverty, let alone a serious pension reform to strip the generous pre-1990 allowances from pensioners. Poles don't *want* this - so I'm not sure what you're talking about. It could actually be said that by not cutting things, Tusk is doing exactly what the socialist electorate want.

Well I dont think education reform is relevent.

Education is the building blocks of society. Anyway, most of the education reform was designed around cutting the free "second faculty" more than anything else.
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #166
I think the endless new offices, warehouses and factories going up in Poznan and Wroclaw speak for themselves.

What good is empty property ?

if you're only talking to PiS voters

The record once more. Yawn...!

As for investments - open your eyes!

Get your head out of that Poznan sand and all that revolves around your own little empire and see what,s happening in the rest of Poland. ( told you this before in another thread ).

How is your Polish, Hitman? How long have you been out of Poland? I estimate it is about 10-15 years.

I,d say my Polish is middle of the road. Last I looked, I think I,m standing on Polish soil. Not a very good guesstimator.

You only think you are Polish.

Last thing I ever want to be. Wouldn,t lower myself.

Do you know how this kind of poetry is called in Polish?

You know where you can stick your poetry. Mine to you got deleted by the mods. Pity.

Guys, you are really special.

You should know, ...... TEACHER ...!
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

........ Pink Floyd 1979.
Ironside 50 | 11,258
16 May 2011 #167
Untranslatable current joke on putting all possible blames on Mr. Tusk.

Well, its only logical considering that it is a normal practice in democratic country's that opposition blame governing party and rightly so, they hold the reins of state. Funny ? Get real its pathetic as a matter of fact is that everyting is (at last in main stream media) revolving around Kaczynski - what he does and what he doesn't, what he says and why, the way he farting and why, and that parody of informations is passing as a serious informations.Pathetic!

No, nie, chłopaki, naprawdę mnie rozwalacie. Oh, boys, you are really blowing me away. :):):):)

rather - Oh guys, you crack me up big time:)? Mr Teacher :)))
Stick to your grammar .... :P

Last thing I ever want to be. Wouldn,t lower myself.

Hey watch it mister, their are without master and they suffer, but they are my people and you better take it back, As if a place you came from didn't have an ample population of plain idiots and retards.

So mister hit-man, I kindly ask you to withdraw that thoughtless remark!

The same applies to Grzegorz. You only think you are Polish. :):):)

What would you say that miss joker?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
16 May 2011 #168
Forget Tusk & Kaczynski and elect Palikot. He stands not only for much faster reforms but also for ideals which could finally unite the Poles.

A crazy guy but he speaks a lot of common sense.
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
16 May 2011 #169
Answering THE HITMAN and unanimously with pawian:

Oh was you ever on the Vistula River?
Blow boys blow!
Black priests make the W.A.S.P. men shiver
Blow me bullyboys blow!

A Yankee ship came down the river
Her masts and yards they shone like silver
What do think she had for cargo
American views that had run the embargo
Blow me bullyboys blow!

So blow me boys and blow forever
Blow boys blow!
Why blow me down the Vistula River
Blow me bullyboys blow!


;-)
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 May 2011 #170
So mister hit-man, I kindly ask you to withdraw that thoughtless remark!

Nicely put, so for those like you I retract the remark. ( just trying to make a point to teacher )
My apologies to the good guys.

Oh was you ever on the Vistula River?

Very nice ........ Shakespeare ?
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
16 May 2011 #171
Antek_Stalich: Oh was you ever on the Vistula River?
Very nice ........ Shakespeare ?

No, this from a traditional sea-shanty song called "Congo River" ;-) The original song is a witty description of an American slave-trade ship.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ggg_uGoMuzM

Polish speakers: Jedna z naszych polskich wersji ma takie słowa: "Skąd wiesz, że statek to jankeski? Zbroczone krwią pokładu deski" ;-)

Polish version:
gumishu 11 | 5,692
16 May 2011 #172
Forget Tusk & Kaczynski and elect Palikot. He stands not only for much faster reforms but also for ideals which could finally unite the Poles.

ehehehhe - Palikot stands for some ideals - the guy - supposedly broke - financed his parliamentary campaign using 'pillars' (don't know a proper term in English) - students and retired people sponsored Palikots campaing presumably - with quite generous donations - naturally Polish "politically independant" prosecutors never found anything suspicious - as far as I know he transfered his capitals to somewhere in the Carribean and now lives off generous grants from some mysterious Luxembourgian financial institution - he doesn' have money simply ;) heh - and well he was not very willing to share his money (before it evaporated to the tropics) with his ex wife (to whose family he actually owes very much - he would never start a business without the money of his father-in-law
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #173
Never heard of the guy....what are his political views?
gumishu 11 | 5,692
16 May 2011 #174
he does not have any views - he's only got political ambitions - (after gaining a great measure of immunity - he knows too much of Tusk's an PO's dirty things - but they know of his )
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
16 May 2011 #176
Never heard of the guy....what are his political views?

Closest to the FDP, I think?

The party itself would be closer to the SDP in Germany, though.
OP Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
16 May 2011 #177
I think the endless new offices, warehouses and factories going up in Poznan and Wroclaw speak for themselves.

You are missing the point. I didn't ask people to describe dynamic of the Polish economy (which isn't bad compared to average in Europe, however there are very serious threats) I asked what Tusk and his government has done to improve things in Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 10,891
16 May 2011 #178
Closest to the FDP, I think?

The party itself would be closer to the SDP in Germany, though.

What a mix! ;)
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
16 May 2011 #179
Palikot is yet another lunatic and populist if you ask me.
pawian 178 | 15,900
16 May 2011 #180
Do you believe everything you read ? This is a serious question I am putting to you as a teacher.

Seriously, disbelief comes over me when I read your posts. :):):):)

If you have a point to make, then it,s up to you to prove it. So it,s your problem.

No, it is your problem. Ping-pong, ping - pong. :):):)

WTF do you teach ?

Truth, my son.

Better still. Who do you teach ?

I try to teach kids like you. :):):)

Market economy? There is no free market economy anywhere in EU, including Poland.

Believe me, after going through socialist centrally-planned economy for 40 years, Poland DOES have a free market economy today. :):):)

I see not even one good deal Poland got thanks to Tusk's smile. Please provide the list of them If you don't agree with that.

The first that comes to my mind: 3 years ago Russia lifted the embargo on Polish products like meat, fruit and vegetables introduced in 2005 during PiS regime`s rule. Also, Russia started cooperation over Katyn Massacre, e.g., by opening the Soviet archives. Russian President Medviediev visits Katyn Cemetery regularly at anniversaries of the massacre.

But I am losing time because you are going to turn it down as worthless, aren`t you? :):):)

If I provide you with a dozen of links from respected sources proving what I said,

Yes, provide me with respected links where I can read what you said: Poland is heavily criticized by EU for huge deficit and lack of reforms. The ratings are under huge pressure. :):):):)

Especially pawian the teacher and his marvelous "career" :)))

What do you know about my career? But I won`t tell you because it would make you even more frustrated. :):):)

pawian: Hmm, really? I can see some contradictory statements in your post about the army.
Yes, really. Please point them out.

I already did. Go back to it and read carefully.

Well I dont think education reform is relevent.

By chance, don`t you also think that all education is irrelevant? :):):)

You should know, ...... TEACHER ...!
We don't need no education

Yes, I can see that. :):):) Any teaching efforts will be lost on you. :):):)

But I will endeavour anyway:

Stick to your grammar .... :P

Iron, you certainly need more education! Don`t you know blow away has other meanings, too? E.g., 2. To defeat decisively. Or 1 to make someone feel very surprised, And that was what I had in mind.

Besides, it is not grammar but lexicon. :):):) I mean vocabulary. :):) Words.

If you feel it is too much education for you, tell me and I will ease up a little. :):):)

Mine to you got deleted by the mods. Pity.

Mine to you, too. Pity, indeed. :):):)
But you read mine while I didn`t read yours. What was it exactly?

he does not have any views - he's only got political ambitions -

You need to catch up with Polish politics from time to time because you are definitely backward if you don`t know that Palikot`s main idee fixe is his reluctance to the Catholic Church. Most of his recent happenings/interviews focused on fighting the influence of RCC in Poland. Can I advise you to read more current events bulletins? :):):)

Palikot is yet another lunatic and populist if you ask me.

Definitely, he`s not the think tank.

dynamic of the Polish economy (which isn't bad compared to average in Europe, however there are very serious threats)

I see you have started to learn.

In January you commited this thread: Poland is going bankrupt.

Not bad. Keep up good work.


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