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How do the Polish and People with Polish Ancestry feel about British Royality


johnny reb 47 | 7262
26 Sep 2022 #1
I would like the opinions of the Polish and people with Polish ancestry on the pro's and Con's of British Royality.
A new book came out that looked quite interesting called, "The New Royals".
In "The New Royals," the author wrote that the Queen was "surprised" Meghan Markle wore a white wedding dress.
I found this to be very shallow coming from the Queen.
Novichok 5 | 7761
26 Sep 2022 #2
I found this to be very shallow coming from the Queen.

MM's wedding dress must be a lot more important to the queen than the fate of the country.
As "Polish people", I find bowing and curtsying close to the puking point. That's probably why I was never invited to the teeth-staining tea with Liz.
Lyzko 42 | 9478
26 Sep 2022 #3
The Poles with whom I've come into contact seem to find all the Pomp & Circumstance rather amusing, frankly.
Then again, Polish culture has plenty of politesse in its daily ritual, or at least it had, notably the now dying art of the "hand kiss", not even a kiss at all!
Miloslaw 19 | 4926
26 Sep 2022 #4
The Poles with whom I've come into contact seem to find all the Pomp & Circumstance rather amusing, frankly

Yeah, but the Poles you have contact with are mainly Pole Ams, Americans of Polish descent, but essentially Americans.
The Poles I am in contact with are mainly Polish born.
And they loved it.
Once again, you are promoting American opinions over global ones.
You seem to have a very blinkered American viewpoinr.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
26 Sep 2022 #5
Before she became queen, Queen Elizabeth was known as the Duchess of Edinburgh.
She held the title from 1947 to 1952.
The title has only been held by four people: Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, Grand Duchess of Maria Alexandrovna, then-Princess Elizabeth, and Camilla Parker Bowles.
I found this to be extremely interesting.
Miloslaw 19 | 4926
26 Sep 2022 #6
I found this to be extremely interesting.

Pray, tell us why you found it so interesting?
Kashub1410 6 | 649
27 Sep 2022 #7
@johnny reb
It's tradition, nothing to do with shallowness. If a women marries for the first time and is a virgin. She obtains the right to wear a white dress at the wedding, lying about it since a women was married before is not only out of taste, it's disrespectful and not a Christian attitude in any sense of the word.

Not a virgin? Then the women should wear a red dress (colour of lust among other things). It's very simple etiquette, and trying to change long established rules like that is very distasteful.

It's like eating soup while slurping and with a fork aswell. Just... why?
Paulina 16 | 4316
27 Sep 2022 #8
the author wrote that the Queen was "surprised" Meghan Markle wore a white wedding dress.

I wonder if she was as "surprised" by what her son was doing during his marriage to Diana.

She obtains the right to wear a white dress at the wedding, lying about it since a women was married before

Noone is "lying" by wearing a white dress. It's simply a customary/traditional choice for a woman to wear a white dress during her wedding. Even when women want to wear something more original they may get pressured by their family (usually by the older generation - mother, grandmother) to wear white. I don't know about the US or other countries, but in Poland almost noone cares about this "virgin stuff" anymore.

Also, from what I've once read, wearing a white dress to your wedding is a fairly young custom. In the past women were simply wearing the best dress they had to their wedding.

Not a virgin? Then the women should wear a red dress (colour of lust among other things).

lol
My sister in law was wearing a red dress to her wedding :D 😎
mafketis 37 | 10776
27 Sep 2022 #9
t in Poland almost noone cares about this "virgin stuff" anymore.

Who ever really cared about it? All the info I've seen is that pre-marital sex was always the norm (and pregnancy a cue to get married).
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
27 Sep 2022 #10
Andrew lobbied very hard with the hope that Charles would not become King when his mother died, and wanted William to wear the crown.
His behavior was very unpleasant to Queen Elizabeth, who disagreed.
It was one of the rare occasions that Andrew didn't get his way.
He was very angry that he couldn't rule the country in some way.
He remained so hostile to Camilla's acceptance that it's doubtful it will ever be forgiven.
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #11
t in Poland almost noone cares about this "virgin stuff" anymore.
Who ever really cared about it?

Nobody, unless the woman got pregnant and it showed at the wedding.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
27 Sep 2022 #12
Come on guys, we must stay on topic here.
It was reported that Meghan got "quite upset" with a staff member during a menu tasting for her wedding when a dish that was supposed to be vegan tasted of egg.

Meghan and the staffer had a "tense exchange" until the Queen intervened.

The Queen walked in and said, "Meghan, in this family we don't speak to people like that,"
No details on what Meghan said to the staffer that caused the Queen to step in.
Meghan just doesn't come from the same cut of cloth as the Royality.
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #13
pregnancy a cue to get married).

Generally seen as a positive thing, even if people had to pretend a baby was a couple of months premature.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1058
27 Sep 2022 #14
How we feel about them? They are out there, I don't feel anything in particural. I think it is a nice tradition, continuity steeped in history. Something we in Poland lack due to the war and all our histrory. I would say I feel kind of a nostalgia. Wish we in Poland had that symbolic but unbroken continuity.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
27 Sep 2022 #15
Thank you Cojest, excellent post plus 100% on topic.
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #16
continuity steeped in history

That's the thing. Past, present and future.

in Poland

Politicians win and lose elections, however monarchs endure.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
27 Sep 2022 #17
however monarchs endure.

as do dictators
Harry said he wanted to clear the air,
He actually suggested that they use a mediator to try and sort things out, which had Charles somewhat baffled and Camilla spluttering into her tea.

Camilla then apparently told Harry the idea was "ridiculous," adding that "they were a family and would sort it out between themselves."
And we see how that has all worked out for them. :-/
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #18
Wish we in Poland had that symbolic but unbroken continuity.

Don't you think that different countries have different types of symbol?
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1058
27 Sep 2022 #19
Maybe, but Poland was builded up around three things:
a religion and dynasty followed by citizenship- freedom of indiviual. All fine but not exclusive and there is no real continuity. We always need to start from scratch rebuild or bulid anew on ruins.
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #20
bulid anew on ruins

Yet that keeps working, so there is inherent continuity. The symbols may differ however the meaning is the same or similar.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
27 Sep 2022 #21
During her 70 years on the throne, the Queen gave only one media interview which was limited to the subject of her coronation.
She never publicly stated a strong opinion on any subject that could be considered political or controversial.
She avoided any kind of public intervention into how the public institutions of the UK should be run.
How could you ever be wrong or be held accountable ?
Lyzko 42 | 9478
27 Sep 2022 #22
@Milo, wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid:-)
In fact, I'm in touch with Poles, often directly from Poland or here as non-citizens on a work visa! While it's true that I'm not in contact with Brits to the same degree, I DO have frequent contact on-line with colleagues either from or presently living in the UK, specifically, Hampstead outside London.
Novichok 5 | 7761
27 Sep 2022 #23
She never publicly stated a strong opinion on any subject that could be considered political or controversial.

...which made her as useless as tits on the bull. How can you "reign" in silence?

One has to be brain dead not to say anything worth a headline in 70 fu*cking years. What would they do to her if she grabbed the phone and called BBC to say that she is pis*ed off about something? Let's try this: Hey, a-holes, what the fu*ck is going on with those damn migrants? How many are you going to let in, morons?

That's the kind of king the UK needs so desperately now.
Miloslaw 19 | 4926
27 Sep 2022 #24
Meghan just doesn't come from the same cut of cloth as the Royality

You are right, she doesnr.
She thought royalty would bring her instant celebrity and that she could become the UK's answer to Beyonce.
She also could not understand why she wasn't being paid for her public appearances!
Culture shock or what?
mafketis 37 | 10776
27 Sep 2022 #25
She thought.... that she could become the UK's answer to Beyonce.

My hypothesis is that she thought the royal family was like a TV show and she could enter as a guest star and gradually be promoted higher and higher. Intellectually she knew that was not how it worked but it wasn't until she was married and living the royal life did it really sink in that she was stuck as the wife of the second in line.

That was intolerable and so she left...
Lyzko 42 | 9478
27 Sep 2022 #26
Those in question are Britons, not Poles or even Polish-born Brits, let alone British-born descendants of Polish immigrants.

Actually, they're old grad school friends who moved back to the UK decades ago following graduation.
jon357 73 | 22638
27 Sep 2022 #27
they probably aren't typical then.

And they do live somewhere where real estate prices are among the most expensive in the world.
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
28 Sep 2022 #28
The intimate transcript of a 1989 phone call between the then Prince of Wales and Camilla was released to the press in November 1992, which revealed their relationship.

At the time, Charles was still married to Princess Diana.

Although they wed in 2005, Charles and Camilla still receive criticism for their affair to this day.
Do you think it was the Queen that ordered the hit on Diana ?
OP johnny reb 47 | 7262
28 Sep 2022 #29
I think because Diana was getting to be more popular than the Queen was the reason they offed her.

Meanwhile, some social media users claimed ceremonies for the new monarch would include a gruesome ritual.
A white ram, intended for sacrifice, for the crowning and declaration of Prince Charles as King of England.
This is their barbaric ancient tradition and culture.
But the animal is actually a regimental goat that serves as a mascot for a Welsh infantry regiment that is part of the British Army.

In other words,....... A pet !
Such sophistication from such well cultured people. :-/
Novichok 5 | 7761
28 Sep 2022 #30
I think because Diana was getting to be more popular than the Queen was the reason they offed her.

A speeding drunk and a stupid woman who wasn't wearing the belt is hardly the handiwork of the Queen's mean dudes. If Liz wanted Di dead, it would be done with less risk of failure.

Like JFK.


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