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Racism in Poland - the future


jareck
16 Oct 2007 #1
The promotion of tolerance and cultural pluralism is increasingly evident in Poland and is being addressed by ever larger numbers of both state and voluntary organizations as well as the media generally. Acts of discrimination against minority groups are more frequently than in the past exposed to widespread condemnation. Furthermore, public declarations by Polish politicians and religious officials about the need to combat antisemitism and all forms of intolerance are more frequent and more forceful.

axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/poland/poland.htm
AmirahJanowitz
16 Oct 2007 #2
jerack I hate anti semtic people. my husband is jewish and his father came from Poland
our last name is Janowitz but in Poland was Yanowitz.
my husband,s father had family killed in the holocoust in Poland.
very few Poles have ever helped out to save jews.the last Pope John Paul11 did I have great respect for.warsaw uprising was fought by few non jewish Poles but mainly Jewish Poles they had contributed so much to Poland before the nazis. there was antisemitism in Poland before them. that is why my husband,s father and his family left Poland for the USA. why are the Poles racist twords jews they were just as much Polish as the non jewish ones were. can you answer this. thanks.
Pawel M
16 Oct 2007 #3
Amirah, get your facts straight. You want to know why SOME Polish people have hate for the jews? It's because we (Polish) get no recognition what so ever for everything we did for them in World War II. We hid them from the Germans. Risked our lives to save them. We fought the Germans, while the Jews hid. Warsaw Uprising. Maybe you should read a book on that. It was the POLISH HOME ARMY comprised of pure Polish that did a lot of the fighting. Was there Jews helping? Yes, of course. Very little though. Please educate yourself before coming on here and spewing ********. Thank you.
plk123 8 | 4,150
16 Oct 2007 #4
i think it's all good as long as everybody get's discriminated equally. :D
polishgirltx
16 Oct 2007 #5
Racism in poland - the future

increase
Eurola 4 | 1,906
16 Oct 2007 #6
increase? I hope not...at this point there is so much more exposure to other cultures, other races, ethnicity, other foods... I think Poles will just get used to it and accept it.

Will rascism be totally eliminated in Poland or any other country, including the US? I don't think so.

BTW, I'd like to know what also is in the books Amirah read...jeeez
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
17 Oct 2007 #7
increase

oh yes we have increase of rasist agresion, just because the number of people of other races sharply increase. If there wasnyt any black in town and now there are some, it is logical that inrease is only one posibility just because there wasnt any poeple with other coulour of skin before.

and thicreas can look enormous in few years by 400% from 25 accidents to 100 ...

as to numbers as well as I know we had last year about 100 (38 mln people country) of this accidents and in western european countries there were thousends

axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/poland/poland.htm

and this article look like old aniti Polish propaganda

it isnt funy that author writtes about Polish anti-semits beffore the war, and latter he writte about nazist (without any word about germans) and Deadh camps on Polish soil ... so I find this article not showing the truth. What and sentences like "of course some Poles helped jews" is just example, the fact is that Poles saved the bigest amout of jews even for that there was death penalty, isnt showed here.

""Polish death camp(s)" and "Polish concentration camp(s)" are misleading terms that have appeared in the media in reference to World War II German concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland involved in The Holocaust. Poland was occupied by the Nazis from 1939 to 1945. The Polish government had no administration or political influence over captured territories during this period."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

as to the true

Watch "Europa Europa" of Agnieszka Holland (Polish Jewish origin)

and "The Pianist" of Polanski (Polish Jewish origin)

situation of jews before the war, during the war and after the war ...
Kilkline 1 | 689
17 Oct 2007 #8
We fought the Germans, while the Jews hid. Warsaw Uprising. Maybe you should read a book on that. It was the POLISH HOME ARMY comprised of pure Polish that did a lot of the fighting. Was there Jews helping? Yes, of course. Very little though.

I wouldnt call it hiding per se. The Jews in Warsaw were walled up in a ghetto by the Nazis and basically starved to death. Despite this they managed to stage an effective and extremely brave uprising. The jews did play a part in the Warsaw uprising however their numbers were limited as their ghetto had already been liquidated.
randompal 7 | 306
17 Oct 2007 #9
oh yes we have increase of rasist agresion, just because the number of people of other races sharply increase

other than occasional stupid ignorant comments you dont see this often, especially in big cities. in the warsaw school where I work we have a few non-poles but they never experience any problems..
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
17 Oct 2007 #10
yes yes ... but in all countries there are some racist and it is sure. But when we take for example small town where there no other nations/races, so the only posibility after coming some non -poles is that nothing is going to change or increase (single one accident is increase) .

We have in Poland (38 mln people) 100 racist accidents in whole year when we look in other EU countries stats it is nothing ...
Kilkline 1 | 689
17 Oct 2007 #11
We have in Poland (38 mln people) 100 racist accidents in whole year when we look in other EU countries stats it is nothing ...

True but other EU countries are more ethnically diverse. Time will tell I suppose.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
17 Oct 2007 #12
100 racist accidents in whole year

that would be reported incidents which is probably very relevent given that a substantial percentage of poland's ethnic population probably doesnt speak the language very well and almost certainly doesnt want to go to the trouble of reporting attacks
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #13
AmirahJanowitz a question ? why wont anyone pat me on the back and say sorry when the members of my mother and fathers familyy 10 from his 13 from hers = 23 altogether in the war. Plus her daughter my half sister that I never saw. and the fact that she went nuts and I only new her for maybe seven years of my childhood.
AmirahJanowitz
17 Oct 2007 #14
I agree sadden I feel sorry for you. I know Poles some did risk their lives eurola are you stupid Warsaw uprising partisans jewsih whom fought the germans is Poland telling you different where you tought different.are you anit semite catholic I hate those people.I read some Poles tried. but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.

the germans put aways starved and took jews to their deaths. how could they have tried. get your facts strait I know from being married to a half Pole and from what I read learned in school I what I read now.jalf the jews I meet are from or their parents from Poland I meet survivors . you have no idea what they went through. so do not lecture me I am smarter than you think
FISZ 24 | 2,116
17 Oct 2007 #15
Actually, the majority of Jews in my area came from Germany and Russia.
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #16
On August 22, 1939, a few days before the official start of World War II, Hitler authorized his commanders, with these infamous words, to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space [lebensraum] we need".Heinrich Himmler echoed Hitler's decree:

"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles."

Please read the worlds history and then see it the rest of it happening for the rest of your life as you are growing up.
Gosia - | 35
17 Oct 2007 #17
well, i absolutely agree with PAWEL M. i also think that polish antisemitism is one of the strongest stereotypes about poles. maybe it still exists among the generation of ww2 participants (for the reasons PAWEL M wrote about), but among people of my age (about 20) something as antisemitism doesnt exist. of course i saw some grafittis saying "jude won" etc (a few years ago, i guess now it is hardly noticealbe) but these slogans were much less common than "CHWDP" etc. some people just need to release agression or anything it is, anyway.
realist guy
17 Oct 2007 #18
polish are not racist, I am an iranian married to a wonderful girl and have many polish friends. The future is actually very good for Poland in regard to many aspects. Its ok if they dont like some certain groups like russians and so on! It hapens all over the world, so why not in Poland too?? They have feelings too.
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #19
and Dariusz was from iranian disent too wasnt he
realist guy
17 Oct 2007 #20
yes Darius was an iranian descent.
AmirahJanowitz
17 Oct 2007 #21
sadden I understand there were a lot of Poles good ones that helped look at the latest Pope what he did and I heard of other stories. it is true germany wanted to rid all the Poles right after the jews.a friend of mine told me her family too helped out. well if your family helped God Bless you and them.you did a good mitvah meaning in a good deed.

I am not jewish but I will always defend them.I know Poland had a home army and was a bad defeat.my point is here that I hope antisemitism will go away.jewsih people are humans too.I only know from what I was tought and read.
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #22
I am not swedish but if I was I would know a lot about Sweden.
I am not Dutch but if etc.
However be a pole for just a moment please.

And I am one of Abrahams children not catholic and I dislike no one.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
17 Oct 2007 #23
True but other EU countries are more ethnically diverse. Time will tell I suppose.

agree

that would be reported incidents which is probably very relevent given that a substantial percentage of poland's ethnic population probably doesnt speak the language very well and almost certainly doesnt want to go to the trouble of reporting attacks

agree ... as everywhere

but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.

look on figures ... go on some jewish side and check which nation saved the bigest amout of jews during the war ... (UK wasnt under German nazi occpation but check figures of countries you mentioned)

.jalf the jews I meet are from or their parents from Poland I meet survivors . you have no idea what they went through.

so how they survived ... in German concetration camp ?? (average lenght of life 2 weeks) or were saved by Poles ? ask them how they survived ...

well, i absolutely agree with PAWEL M. i also think that polish antisemitism is one of the strongest stereotypes about poles. maybe it still exists among the generation of ww2 participants (for the reasons PAWEL M wrote about), but among people of my age (about 20) something as antisemitism doesnt exist.

100% true

at the end Americans and their point of view ... no comment. Now all Arabs are enemy, terrorist, wild people... who cares, we should just F*** them and their crazy ideas, all in all whole world hate them now (we are one of last nations who belive they have good intentions and it is mistake ...)

It is enougt to read who supported who in southern america in last 50 years, who was learning oficers of regimes how to torture people ... there is only one answer USA did it ... and they try to prove sth for somebody ... no comment
AmirahJanowitz
17 Oct 2007 #24
good for you sadden. so you are jewish? I do not want to dislike anyone either I am a peaceful person.we are all children of god. I sent you a email post.

lukasz by working for nazis obeying them friends and some families that had survived the gas chambers. no not only 2 weeks months and sometimes years till liberation.

maybe by other Polish prisoners as well.

lukasz I know a survivor who wrote a book and lots of reasons how they stayed a live.
by god and being smart. by everyday survival. I know why
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
17 Oct 2007 #25
but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.

Sweden was a netural country and they were doing business with nazis, in western European countries occupation was completely different than in Poland, here the whole family used to be killed for giving any help to Jews, there It was rather treated like the 2nd rate crime. You may read about a brave king of Denmark, who decided to wear that thing with a David's star after Jews had been forced to wear that... and that's really fantastic but If we had had a king then, he would have probably been simply exectued. Besides most of Poles couldn't help themselves, so how could they help Jews ? You may like It or not but Jews are too much egocentric about the history. We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we first think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
17 Oct 2007 #26
We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews.

even this fact there were a lot of people who helped.

as to Polish citizens 3 milions Polish jews were killed by Germans and 3 milions of Polish (other religion) citizens were kiled by Germans too it gives about 6 mln people killed.

as to names it is interedting why Germans are called nazist ... Russian Soviets...

Poland this time was real hell.
_Sofi_
17 Oct 2007 #27
We are humans too and If our lives are in danger, we think how to save our own families, not how to help Jews

Completely understandable. Who wouldn't?
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #28
AmirahJanowitz I dont know if this got on the other page . I got your email I have sent you one as well.
Eurola 4 | 1,906
17 Oct 2007 #29
you have no idea what they went through. so do not lecture me I am smarter than you think

I do. My parents helped many of them, so you may not lecture and call me names because I did not. They risked their lives and the lives of their two toddler kids (my oldest siblings). They hid two of them and helped to escape, so they could leave for America. As a gift of gratitude, when they came back to Poland in 70's, they invited my sister to the US and took care of her. I came later.

Your post simply shows your general attitude even tough you claim in so many posts how much you love Polish people. I'm disappointed. That's all.
anuska 1 | 30
17 Oct 2007 #30
i honestly think you should ignore peoples narrow minded comments......even though its hard to at times as you want to get your points across,

but with people like that they would never listen or take into account what people have gone through. As they know better and are a billion times worse off then the next person who has no arms legs is deaf blind no money no family or friends!!!!!!


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