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Racism in Poland - the future


f stop 24 | 2,501
11 Feb 2012 #211
as long as those people you know are killing themselves, all is good.
jasondmzk
11 Feb 2012 #212
I want my Poland back.

Back to 1939. Jesus wept.
a.k.
11 Feb 2012 #213
I want my Poland back.

Your Poland? In another thread you've written that you are not Polish.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
30 Apr 2012 #214
Racism in poland

4 AZS Koszalin basketball players were attacked and beaten by 15 hooligans. One of the victims Lamont McIntosh says that his teammate who was also attacked heard racist slurs.
Bieganski 17 | 888
30 Apr 2012 #215
Koszalin basketball players were attacked and beaten by 15 hooligans

Exactly; they were attacked by hooligans not the whole of Polish society. Ask yourself, if Poland were so racist then how did these black players even get in the country let alone be signed up to play on a local sports team? Why do ordinary Poles turn up to watch them play?
jasondmzk
26 May 2012 #216
Merged: Amnesty International Issues Warning: Racism in Poland "A Concern".

The father of one of England's players won't be attending his son's games in Ukraine and Poland, due to warnings from the Foreign Office and other humans rights organizations. His is not the first family that will be skipping matches there.

Amnesty International is the latest body to express concern about the Euros, this time over Poland. "The harsh reality is that racism remains commonplace in Poland and there are numerous reports of xenophobia on the terraces and in the stands of Polish football grounds," said Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK.

Amathyst 19 | 2,702
26 May 2012 #217
The Walcots tweeted about not going ages ago and it was regarding Ukraine NOT Poland.
Wroclaw Boy
26 May 2012 #218
This racism issue is recieving a fair amount of media coverage at the moment. Do the coloured players know something we dont regrading racism?

I really dont know what to expect on this one.
jasondmzk
26 May 2012 #219
When my uncle was in the Army and stationed in Egypt, he was given a bible and told to "keep this Jew thing under your hat". If the Foreign Office and Amnesty International is saying you might not be safe going to such-and-such a country, they can't exactly hide their color and keep it under their hats. They're being warned and responding in a manner they consider prudent, I guess.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854
26 May 2012 #220
The father of one of England's players won't be attending his son's games in Ukraine and Poland, due to warnings from the Foreign Office and other humans rights organizations. His is not the first family that will be skipping matches there.

Tell him not to visit your beloved "homeland".

rt.com/news/israel-anti-migrant-demo-061/
jarnowa 4 | 499
26 May 2012 #221
they can't exactly hide their color and keep it under their hats.

I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks.
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it

Amnesty is making an elephant out of a mosquito, they better concentrate on real problems.
Who cares about coloureds not getting a warm welcome in some European countries?
If they don't like that, they should find a nice boat and row back to Africa or wherever they come from.
davlaurjen - | 7
26 May 2012 #222
Realist Guy correctly makes the point that all nationalities have prejudices against other nationalities.For example, as a Scot I know that many of my fellow Scots do not like English people.

However,my mother came from Poland,and although it was Russians who killed two of her brothers,my uncles at Katyn,I do not hate Russians living today for crimes committed by previous generations."Live and let live" is my motto.
peterweg 37 | 2,309
26 May 2012 #223
"The harsh reality is that racism remains commonplace in Poland and there are numerous reports of xenophobia on the terraces and in the stands of Polish football grounds,"

So how many Polish football fans are going to be on the stands of, say, an England match? Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International UK, wonder if she has considered that crucial point.

Football championships bring all sorts of idiots out of the wood work, using it as a sounding box.

I would be far more concerned about the possibility of a terrorist attack, say an attack on a team bus.
teflcat 5 | 1,029
26 May 2012 #224
I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks

Selective memory.

If they don't like that, they should find a nice boat and row back to Africa or wherever they come from.

Perhaps because you are a racist.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
26 May 2012 #225
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it

pulled any girl yet jarnowa?
peterweg 37 | 2,309
26 May 2012 #226
I can't remember any story of innocent coloureds in Poland falling victim of racist attacks.
Those who got beaten up were acting offensive (attacking the police, talking to Polish girls, stuff like that), so they more or less asked for it

So that answers the question, 'Does Poland have a problem with Racists?', with a big YES.
4 eigner 2 | 831
26 May 2012 #227
talking to Polish girls

What's wrong with that? LOL
kondzior 11 | 1,045
27 May 2012 #228
I'd say that the level of racism in Poland is just right. No too much, not overly low. Generally Poles don't care about your race, but will not back off just to avoid being accused of racism.
jon357 74 | 22,480
27 May 2012 #229
Any racism is too much.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
27 May 2012 #230
Nonsense. Even the most noble idea, if pushed to the extreme, gets unhealthy.
We shold always look for a golden mean.
jon357 74 | 22,480
27 May 2012 #231
Don't be so silly. There is no 'golden mean' where racism and other forms of fear and hatred are concerned. Something is either positive or negative, and all racism is negative.
kondzior 11 | 1,045
27 May 2012 #232
You are typical example of an extremist.
Well, try to go out, once in a while. In real world, the is no clear cut between good and evil, but many shades of gray.
Ironside 51 | 12,474
27 May 2012 #233
Every assault on person or person should be punished by the law regardless of the race. Thats all and rest is just mucking about!
Bieganski 17 | 888
27 May 2012 #234
Amnesty International Issues Warning: Racism in Poland "A Concern".

Well, since you take such glee in portraying Poland as a hopelessly racist and bigoted society then you will have to agree that the only way for Poles to redeem themselves is to start following Israel's shining example of multicultural social harmony and begin treating all non-Poles in the same fashion as Israelis treat indigenous Palestinians.

You should lobby Polish politicians to meet with their Israeli counterparts to discuss this issue. That is of course if Knesset members aren't too busy addressing the matter of non-Europeans being in Israel.

Here's a recent example from just this past week of what I'm talking about:

Anti-immigration protest turns violent in Tel AvivSource:
edition.cnn.com/2012/05/24/world/meast/israel-immigration-protest/index.html?eref=ft

"A racially charged demonstration against the Israeli government's handling of immigration from Africa turned violent Wednesday night as protesters attacked foreign workers, shattered car windows and vandalized a shop owned by a Sudanese migrant. The demonstrators carried signs with the slogans "Infiltrators get out of our houses" and "Tel Aviv -- a refugee camp."

They were accompanied by three members of the Knesset, Israel's parliament. Miri Regev, a Knesset member from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, referred to African immigrants as "a cancer in our society" and promised to do anything possible to send them back to their home countries."
jon357 74 | 22,480
27 May 2012 #235
You are typical example of an extremist.
Well, try to go out, once in a while. In real world, the is no clear cut between good and evil, but many shades of gray.

Or more likely an example of someone who doesn't hate. Racism is never a 'shade of grey'. It is always wrong.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854
27 May 2012 #236
So is invasion and colonisation.

Non whites do not belong on European soil. They are free now, are they not?

Why do they want to live in the "oppressive" white man land?
jasondmzk
27 May 2012 #237
Well, since you take such glee in portraying Poland as a hopelessly racist and bigoted society

Hey, buddy. I posted a headline that caught my eye. Where do you detect this "glee"? Take it down a notch, will ya.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854
27 May 2012 #238
Stop beating up the poor oppressed africans, jew.

They will bring "diversity", "vibrancy" and "enrichment" to Israel.

Thats what you jews tell us europeans, when we are being swarmed with uninvited third worlders!

More immigrants for Israel. Especially african muslims(they the best). Divert all American military aid to Israeli refugee resettlement camps!

Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Bieganski 17 | 888
27 May 2012 #239
Hey, buddy. I posted a headline that caught my eye. Where do you detect this "glee"? Take it down a notch, will ya.

Oh really? So you merely noticed a simple headline out there that you wished to share with everyone. How nice.

Nope, you're not convincing.

You threw this molotov cocktail of a story by starting your own thread just so it could get more attention before it got merged.

But did you provide any sort of context? Of course not. No fun in that now is there? You just laid the story out there as if it were an unquestionable fact.

Don't you find it even remotely suspect that some elderly family members of the players reportedly won't be attending the games over supposed concerns of being victims of racism yet they aren't stopping their very own children from going and playing there? If Poland and Ukraine are such hotbeds for racism then shouldn't the games have been boycotted a long time ago by all these other utopian countries in Europe and elsewhere?

You need to wake up and realize that Amnesty International has been criticized themselves by other entities for biased reporting and besides they are not an arbiter in this world for anything. The British media pouring scorn over Poland is nothing new but then again this is the same British media that is currently under fire for unethical journalism such as telephone hacking.

The Euro 2012 games will go forward whether you or others like it or not. Poland and Ukraine have invested millions to accommodate people they know will be arriving from all over the world. Both players and fans are looking to have an enjoyable time.

If there happens to be any criminal activity, which can occur anytime people congregate, then it is a matter for the local police. Although the likes of you will assume (and hope) that it will be only Poles committing crimes this will not pan out. The overwhelming majority of Poles are tolerant, law abiding citizens. Like any society there will always be a minority who will cause trouble for any given reason.

Furthermore, there is a very good chance these games can be marred, not by Poles or Ukrainians, but by a contingent of foreigners coming in who will be hellbent on causing problems with locals and each other. You obviously don't know that some European countries have had their own police and diplomats intervene in the past to prevent their own citizens from traveling to football matches abroad because they are known for starting violence or other criminal activity.

So I won't be taking anything down a notch. You failed in your underhanded attempt to smear all of Polish society. The reality is racism, bigotry, prejudice, discrimination - you name it - can be found in every single society all across the planet.

The distortion lies in the level of reporting with countries like Poland being blamed wholesale for the problems caused by a tiny minority while other basket case countries such as Israel - where violent racism and theocratic bigotry are institutionalized, publicly funded, and politically endorsed - hardly ever get a mention if at all in the press.
jasondmzk
27 May 2012 #240
I don't have to convince you of jack, Jack. I don't do "underhanded". I posted it for the very reason I said I did. I love my Polish wife, and I love her country. You're outta line.


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