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Racism in Poland - the future


KingAthelstan 9 | 141
22 Sep 2011 #181
The native English are essentially the Anglo Saxons

read the whole paragagh :'(Anglo Saxons) + Allot of Anglized Celts + Anglised , assimilated Danish and Norwegian Vikings + Pre celtic people not just anghlo saxons. what I said is the peoples of the Kingdom of England had coalesed by the time of the Norman invasion into an regocnaiblly English not merely Anglo Saxon identity.

Noone in Tudor times called themslves called thelsves Ango-saxon, they were English of English culture of English identity. It wasn't until 19th centaury romanticism that some scholars beagn to take in interst in the anglo saxon elemnt.

In Russia you can be an ethnic Tatar and still be civicly and culturally assimilated into Russian culture but will not be an ethnic Russian.

In Poland you can be civicly Polish and still ethnically Belorussian.

In germany You can be civcly Turkish but will never be ethnically German.

I'm guessing you are an assimilated 2nd generation Pole.

I am English of English Ethnicity.

Some of us
are even black, others are Jewish; others too have Polish ancestry. But all are part of the nation.

they are not native, they are assimilated into english identity culture, civicly English, the English have a right to be an ethnic group as do any other.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
22 Sep 2011 #182
is he still banging on about that?
God, Athey old bean....boring is not the word.
one last time,in simple words;
England people they not ethnic group,savvy?
teflcat 5 | 1,027
22 Sep 2011 #183
I haven't read such crap, even on this forum, for at least...two days. The Kingdom of England? What have you been reading? The BNP website? Your Majesty, go to the library and ask for a simple history book.

While you're at it, ask about adult literacy classes in your area.
alfred
22 Sep 2011 #184
England people they not ethnic group

They do.
Seanus 15 | 19,669
22 Sep 2011 #186
My parents-in-law are heavily Germanic (both of their parents are/were German). Yes, they are Polish.
KingAthelstan 9 | 141
22 Sep 2011 #187
England people they not ethnic group,savvy?

They are as much an ethnic group as Poles or Croats or Dutch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

'wikipedia: The English (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak English.'

ps........

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Ethnicity go tell the Canadian government that English is not an ethnic group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Canadian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Chilean
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Australian

they are regarded as an ethnic group in the census of Canada, USA, Australia, and Chile to name a few.
Somerset 2 | 19
22 Sep 2011 #188
My parents-in-law are heavily Germanic (both of their parents are/were German). Yes, they are Polish.

My grandfather was born in a Jewish family in Bialstok, they never regarded themsleves or for that matter the Poles did not regard them as ethnic Poles.

How about you being a good troll, and just use one username per thread?
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
22 Sep 2011 #189
They are as much an ethnic group as Poles or Croats or Dutch

exactly....Poles are not a Polish ethnicity, the Dutch are one bunch of peoples in the Netherlands,but not an Ethnicity and the croats cant decide whether they are slavs or not,but they aint a croat ethnicity,you plank.
alfred
22 Sep 2011 #190
BTW. can we get back to the topic: Racism in poland - the future

A lot worse than Britain.
teflcat 5 | 1,027
22 Sep 2011 #191
Joe P.[quote=joepilsudski]Poland will not see any significant influx of Blacks because the language is too difficult
Thanks a lot, Joe. I badly needed a laugh. How's Joe junior? Sitting at his daddy's knee and drinking in words of wisdom no doubt.
Seanus 15 | 19,669
22 Sep 2011 #192
I think Poland should treasure some of their hardliners for the future. Whilst I don't advocate open hostility and welcome fairness and decency, the reality is that there are cretins out there that will thrust their values on you. My wife was called all manner of nasty things by Pakistanis in Peterborough and it would've been good to have hardline elements around to sort them out. Look at Norway too. Dariusz Telka pointed out the dangers of radical elements and it sometimes needs radical elements to counter them. I never want to see the day when Poles are targetted in their own country.
lisa_xxoo - | 3
22 Sep 2011 #193
I haven't read every single post that is in this thread,so should I repeat something that has been previously said,my apologize. I have been asked many times about race relations in Poland (I live in Canada but am of Polish decent) I do not think as a whole Poland/Polish people are racist,I think they are passionate about their heritage and culture and very protective of it,which is quiet understandable- after 2 major occupations of Poland and fighting for independence and freedom,I think it's understandable the thought of others questioning or attempting to alter the Polish way of life may be met by resistance.

In every multi-cultural society there is always going to be cross cultural miscommunication,but I don't feel that they are any more prevalent in Poland then here in Canada or in the U.S
teflcat 5 | 1,027
22 Sep 2011 #194
My wife was called all manner of nasty things by Pakistanis in Peterborough and it would've been good to have hardline elements around to sort them out.

Sorry to sound like Vicky Barker but I can't believe you just said that. Your other half might just as likely have been insulted by the local Peterborough twats or even local Poles. As for wishing gallants thugs to have been on hand...(shakes head...Seanus, Seanus.)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388
22 Sep 2011 #195
I think Poland should treasure some of their hardliners for the future. I never want to see the day when Poles are targeted in their own country.

Poles should maintain an ethnic identity and pride, in a reasonable and positive way...Also, oppose any mass immigration of non-Poles, as this causes conflicts...In addition, do not take too seriously what is posted on web chat rooms.

I must say, I do like what our friend, KingA, has to say about English identity...Contrary to what some may espouse, from my brief period of living in the UK, there is indeed such a thing, and if you talk to any older British vets, or just older British folk in general, you will find a pride in being British or English, however you want to phrase it...A certain IDENTITY.

BTW, our friend Seanus always has something INTELLIGENT to say, and he seems a reasonable man.
Seanus 15 | 19,669
22 Sep 2011 #196
Teflcat, I know that. But they were Pakistanis so I commented on that. It was that she didn't have a burka and leg covering so locals or Poles wouldn't comment on that. Sorry but chamstwo by Pakistanis in MY country needs some special treatment.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Sep 2011 #197
Sorry but chamstwo by Pakistanis in MY country needs some special treatment.

Well if it is YOUR country then it does beg the question of whether or not that is your responsibility to shoulder...

In a weird way I agree with you though. In nature, if one group of apes tries imposing themselves on another group of apes, well they get to sort it out. In Western culture (yes I know it's nature but it's one with complicated enough social mechanisms to draw some kind of a blurry line), elements from within seem to choose the side of the imposing group while hamstringing the locals through various measures (Nigerian rapist with no spouse or child recently won the right to stay in UK as deporting him would violate his right to a family-wtf).

It is a peculiarity that while obviously not accidental, eludes me as to what the underlying purpose has been for its government backing. Nature doesn't take it's course, rather a weird situation exists where the minority keeps taking the p*ss in bewilderment that the reprimand that should be there isn't.

Basically what I'm saying is that in any environment, I like the thugs I know better than the thugs I don't (and I don't like that it has become legally less acceptable for one group to do the same as another).
Seanus 15 | 19,669
22 Sep 2011 #198
I wasn't there, For4.

Amen to the rest of your post. Spot on!
Sidliste_Chodov 1 | 441
23 Sep 2011 #199
"Common Purpose" - that's the underlying purpose. It's a cancer eating away at society.

It's why when we talk about criminals, it's the criminal who appears to be the "victim" - a rapist is a victim because they were disadvantaged/from the wrong part of town/dispossessed/abused as children, etc - the usual bleeding-heart excuses. No taking responsibility for themselves and their actions, it's all about their "rights". While the real victim (the one who survived the rape) is guilty: guilty of dressing a certain way, walking around an area where you would "expect" this to happen, drinking too much and not being full aware of her surroundings, etc.

Or, the idea that those who work hard and abide by the law somehow need to be punished (possibly through high taxes) because those who can't find work are "victims" - never mind the fact that in many cases, these unemployable members of the so-called "underclass" are the ones who caused disruption at school from day one, wouldn't/couldn't learn, yet still expect to have the same lifestyle as those who kept their noses down and succeeded, despite suffering the disruption and abuse from the aforementioned students from hell. I've no idea exactly why this has come about, but some consider that it's in the government's interest to keep these people "down" and dependent on benefits, while making the rest of us suffer, because we're the ones who actually keep them. Everything which is considered "good" becomes "bad", and vice versa.

Which also could explain why we are being emasculated and relieved of the right to defend ourselves, at the same time as feral subhumans terrorise our cities without fear of the law - I suppose they're the ones who keep the government in power. Perhaps the government intends to use them as cannon fodder in a future world war, so they don't exactly want the law-abiding majority bumping them off in the meantime ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,669
23 Sep 2011 #200
Thanks, joe :) Right back at ya :) I also like what King A had to say on this matter.

I may have come across as hardline but I'm very moderate for the most part. I maintain tolerance but there comes a time when we have to confront certain realities. If a group of Polish thugs had to stop a group of Pakistani thugs for beating a Polish girl then I'd be all for it if the Polish girl was unfairly treated. In an ideal world, another resort would be for choice but the police are hardly reliable and aren't always on hand.

I merely give hypothetical examples but For4 is right. I'd much sooner help Polish thugs than Pakistani ones. It depends on the justness of the cause.
modafinil - | 416
23 Sep 2011 #201
Given what the report on post#162 has to say about discrimination of even Asylum granted Chechnyians in the work place, I can't see why anyone from developing countries would want to stay there except for a foot-in to the rest of the EU. Why are they interested in Poland? What's it got? Every Pole who has mentioned a reason for leaving to come to UK says there's nothing but family, if that.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
23 Sep 2011 #202
I can't see why anyone from developing countries would want to stay there except for a foot-in to the rest of the EU. Why are they interested in Poland? What's it got?

Use your imagination. Don't only ask what it has, ask what it hasn't as well.

Maybe there isn't a war in Poland, maybe that could be attractive to someone who lives in such an environment. Maybe 6 pln/hour isn't much but it's a damn site more than 100 pln/120 hours. Maybe there's a chance to sell knock off crap here at an inflated price no one will pay back in their country. Maybe the law isn't looking for them in Poland (rightly or wrongly)... there are loads of reasons.

To many Poles, London is the promised land, to me it's an over crowded sh*t hole for the most part- it all depends on what you know and what you like.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388
24 Sep 2011 #203
Now this is an important point, self-defense...Self-defense exercised in a timely manner eliminates problems later; we can take the case of the schoolyard bully: best way to deal with him is a hard punch in the face as soon as he starts his mischief...Trouble makers seek easy targets.

Government wants us to think they THEY will protect us and THEY know what's best, but, of course, we know this is absurd: Government these days is run by career bureaucrats whose only interest is keeping their bloated tax-payer paid salaries...The recent British riots proved this point, as the trouble ended when the community and shopkeepers organized and put a stop to it.
LwowskaKrakow 28 | 431
24 Sep 2011 #204
None of my Polish friends are racist antisemitic homophobic because they are well educated, love meeting other cultures and beyond all they are good human beeings.

As for the stereotype of Poles beeing anti semitic just read the magnificent novel from Daniel Mendelsohn called"the Lost"(Zagubieni. W poszukiwaniu sześciorga spośród) and remember that the majority of the Righteous among the Nations in Yad Vashem Memorial in Jerusalem were Poles.

I think that racism takes place when ignorance is fuelled by hard economic times and that we blame the others for everything bad happening to us, we look for the usual suspects the usual scapegoats. let's hope that History will not repeat itself.
Natasa 1 | 578
24 Sep 2011 #205
That trend exists (between education and liberal orientation), but it is not that linear and simple. Education can lead to different outcomes, depending on the institution that educates.

Conservative, elite type of schools and Universities I seriously doubt promote egalitarianism, quite the contrary. Actually it would be logical to assume that is their raison d'etre?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,861
24 Sep 2011 #206
LwowskaKrakow

None of my Polish friends are racist antisemitic homophobic because they are well educated, love meeting other cultures and beyond all they are good human beeings.

yeh, but just because that is the 'tribe' you have chosen, doesn't mean the others don't exist.
modafinil - | 416
25 Sep 2011 #207
Conservative, elite type of schools and Universities I seriously doubt promote egalitarianism, quite the contrary. Actually it would be logical to assume that is their raison d'etre?

I'll rephrase due to a weird mod. It is logical to assume that schools and universities raison d'etre is to nuture and encourage intelligence and capability and are elitist regarding these aspects of a person.
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
25 Sep 2011 #208
Hahahaha. In the world today, most of them are all about money - and not about education.

You just need to look at Poland to see how money influences the education sector.
modafinil - | 416
25 Sep 2011 #209
Hahahaha. In the world today, most of them are all about money - and not about education.

That has nothing to do with the point I was making on racism not being the motivation of an elite education...nor is it a logical assumption.
LwowskaKrakow 28 | 431
25 Sep 2011 #210
doesn't mean the others don't exist.

Rozumiemnic I am not saying that Racists do not exist in Poland because you have idiots everywhere on earth but to always have Poland associated with Racism and Antisemitism is wrong.

There are millions of Poles outside Poland living and working all over the world in different cutures.Do we hear that the Polish Community in Chicago US is racist? No.

Do we hear that the Polish communities in Germany France UK Dubai etc are racist ?No.
Were or are those famous Poles: Ryszard Kapucinski, Kieslowski ,Zulawsk etc racist or antisemitic? No

Yet we keep hearing about Poland beeing xenophobic as if all the Poles were that way and the question of the first post speaks for itself: Racism in Poland-The Future.

So yes there are racists in Poland but they are not the majority and if it was forbidden in the Polish Constitution to publicly express racism in any form against any ethnic group or to express ethno centrism publicly it would eradicate the association: Poland equals Racism and Antisemitism.


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