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Racism in Poland - the future


urszula 1 | 253
17 Oct 2007 #31
even tough you claim in so many posts how much you love Polish people. I'm disappointed. That's all.

I am too, and a bit confused. Because I get one message that Poles are shown in a positive view, and another message, that she is glad that Poles died during the war.

It is the Jews who claim that only they died, and forget about Poles and people from other countries who were not Jewish that were sent to concentration camps. Towards the end of the war there was so much confusion, that they killed whover came across their path.

My parents who were not Jewish also helped many Jews. In times of war, people try to help one another regardless of their religion.
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #32
I must say if we should have a thread lets have one where the future is bright instead of this. when I first came here i found this elating now i definatel find it as depressing as my name.
Eurola 4 | 1,902
17 Oct 2007 #33
Yeah, I try my best to ignore bad comments, but on the other hand I just can't stand by and watch trash or general statements being posted... You see, many people are reading this and if there is nobody to stand up, the "mean" post win. That's wrong.

It annoys me when it is all about the killing of jews. it was not. They just were first in line. They just do more "crying" to the world about it. It was not only their tragedy (which it was), but also a tragedy for the Poles. Sometimes, they had to make choices.
urszula 1 | 253
17 Oct 2007 #34
when I first came here i found this elating now i definatel find it as depressing as my name.

you're right. This is depressing and if people keep reliving and thinking about the past, the sadness will continue. That's why many older people in Poland are depressed and sad because they will never forget the horrors of the war, but in order to live happily, you have to put that aside. Not to forget, because that is history, but to live in the present.
Ranj 21 | 947
17 Oct 2007 #35
but in order to live happily, you have to put that aside. Not to forget, because that is history, but to live in the present.

I sooo agree with you, Urszula! There's a saying, "If you have one foot in yesterday and one in tomorrow, you are P*ssing all over today." Stay in the moment.....it's the only one that counts.
Eurola 4 | 1,902
17 Oct 2007 #36
There's a saying, "If you have one foot in yesterday and one in tomorrow, you are P*ssing all over today."

it is to bad that people dwell and live in the past, but a nation without a history is like a tree without roots...
The history has to be there, can not be forgotten.
Ranj 21 | 947
17 Oct 2007 #37
but a nation without a history is like a tree without roots...
The history has to be there, can not be forgotten.

I agree with this also, but the past is what we are to learn from......we need to concentrate on today in order to ensure a brighter future. (you rock, btw, Eurola.....loved meeting you at TOP;)
Eurola 4 | 1,902
17 Oct 2007 #38
Hi Ranj, yes!! It was great. We need to do again! Just to let you know, i always like your posts, and Urszula's (or whatever she wants to call herself)....hehehehe.

So level headed.

You rock too. :)
saddened - | 64
17 Oct 2007 #39
history as well as life or as a child must grow from here right now it must enliven enrich itself pulsate with its first breath must be sumthing it can only want to gasp for and not to hide itself against from breathing.
urszula 1 | 253
17 Oct 2007 #40
and Urszula's (or whatever she wants to call herself)....hehehehe.
So level headed.

hehehehehehe..... you so amusing Eurola... hehehehehehehehe.
You know something.... hehehehehehe
Eurola 4 | 1,902
17 Oct 2007 #41
A bird was chirping something here behind my window...
sledz 23 | 2,248
17 Oct 2007 #42
Yeah, I try my best to ignore bad comments

hey I just PMed U
krysia 23 | 3,058
17 Oct 2007 #43
A bird was chirping something here behind my window...

my parrot escaped on me last night.. hehehehehe
Eurola 4 | 1,902
17 Oct 2007 #44
ah...that's what the bird was. I let the cat out.
timar
18 Oct 2007 #45
To Amira Janowitz - I feel sorry for you, so much energy put in to dislikemant of poles, don't just listen to your husband destructive stories - my mother's family (5 children, age 3-8)didn't sleep in the night for the fear of being kiled - 3 Jewish people slept hidden for a year I their house and on the property. My friend's family looked after Jewish woman hidden up in the attic while downstairs German officer occupied their room. I know of so many common people who in some stage during the war helped Jews, I know of some unpleasant case when some displeased Jews managed to inform the blue police about Jews being hidden in a house of the people who were to frightened to help them. My father's cousin is married to a lady who in 1942 found a refuge in his family house. My brother in law mother witnessed her parents, grandparents, siblings and three neighboring families executed in their backyard, pressing pillow to her crying infant sister's face - famous killings in Zamosc region.

It is evident that you know very little, and I did read your uninformed opinion somewhere on this side, I suggest you my try to read some mind opening material to ease your pain, there is so many informative sides, just tape -john sack, richard lukas, .irenasendler.com koniuchy, naliboki or if someone can help you to understand polish .kki.com.pl/piojar/polemiki/holocaust/odp_html
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
18 Oct 2007 #46
I wouldn't blame her. Unfortunately this is how Polish history is often presented in America. Every nation has Its point of view on history and in case of Jews It is "Poles did nothing during the holocaust", which is not rational but this is how they feel. The problem is that very few people in Poland are interested in "promotion" of our point of view and Poles abroad are either first generation immigrants, who usually are doing crap jobs and don't really have any influence or next generations, who are already assimilated (Jews share the same religion, so It's much easier for them to stay one group and defend their interests) and except eating pierogi don't really give a damn.

It's like with "UK betrayed Poland" - this is how It looks like from Polish perspective but rationally speaking they couldn't do much and UK made a huge contribution to defeat of Gerries, so this is irritating for them, when Poles say so... they don't hear that too often but If Poles in America and elswhere had the same influence Jews have, that would be the common version of history.

I wouldn't say that Poles used to help Jews so much because small minority did that but what else could be expected in that situation ? Would average Jew risk his life (and his relatives) to save somone ?
OP jareck
18 Oct 2007 #47
the future of poland is in good hands with the current president, since the collapse of the communists the conservative have switched to an all white catholic poland and the left have opened new doors,

immigration is on the rise, ukrain, belarus and russia in particular, in addition other ethnicities and cultures are coming into poland...
if we can leanr from the past and from other countries that the best thing we have as humans is education.. lets teach and leanr from others.. treat everyone equally.
hancock 1 | 95
18 Oct 2007 #48
Grzegorz_ a friend is a friend whoever they are in time of need if you would desert one then someone maybe looking into your heart. so everyones heart is open to the one above.

I agree with you jareck your hurt as Grzegorz is pure and you both believe that pain but to be there and come back to to relive the pain again can be beyond something that some can endure.
z_darius 14 | 3,964
18 Oct 2007 #49
I read some Poles tried. but UK Holland the low countries sweeden and denmark help the most.

Have you ever checked the number of Poles honored in Yad Vashem, compared to the number of people from other countries?

When you finally do, do you realize that Poland was the only country where helping Jews meant automatic death sentence, right there on the spot? Inspite of that, well... check those numbers in Yad Vashem.

Oh, and while you are researching the topic, you may also want to check info about ZEGOTA (no other occupied country had a similar organization) and Jan Karski. That ought to tell you something about the love UK (and US) had for Jewish victims of Germany during WW2.

There is more, but for now take the baby steps I suggest above.
OP jareck
18 Oct 2007 #50
we have to help each other, it is a duty on our neighbours
hancock 1 | 95
18 Oct 2007 #51
peace! we are all brothers!
z_darius 14 | 3,964
18 Oct 2007 #52
Hey, isn't that sexist? ;-)
hancock 1 | 95
18 Oct 2007 #53
woman came from adams rib
Michal - | 1,865
18 Oct 2007 #54
Poles racist twords jews they were just as much Polish as the non jewish ones were. can you answer this. than

Eastern Europe has a strong tradition in hating Jews as they are always an easy target. This is partly why Poland has become so economically and culturally backward as they have expelled all their talent, mathematicians, musicians, song writers and the like. The Poles like the the colour gray, a soules empty World devoid and empty of human emotion and spirit. In fact, I think that on the whole, the Poles actually fear human emotions and certainly they can not handle competition and enterprising young people of any form whatsoever.
FISZ 24 | 2,116
18 Oct 2007 #55
culturally backward

Please expand on this.....

The Poles like the the colour gray

My gf likes Blue :)

the Poles actually fear human emotions

Tell this to her when we're quarreling :)

Where did you receive your degree on Polish people Mike? How did you become such a pro? I though your wife was Polish. Are these her characteristics?
plk123 8 | 4,138
18 Oct 2007 #56
there were plenty of poles killing jews to save themselves and their own families.. don't you all fool yourselves. not all things were all that peachy.
hancock 1 | 95
18 Oct 2007 #57
Michal the poles are your brothers as well we all came from our father Abraham.
z_darius 14 | 3,964
18 Oct 2007 #58
there were plenty of poles killing jews to save themselves and their own families.. don't you all fool yourselves. not all things were all that peachy.

I'm sure there were plenty of those. The issue though is the definition of plenty. To some 2 is plenty and two too many. To others "plenty" carries a connotation of majority. That of course was not the case in Poland. As it was not the case in Hungary where about 1/2 million Jews were sacrificed to save only 1000 rich and influential Jews. Is then 1000 out of 500,000 plenty?
szarlotka 8 | 2,205
18 Oct 2007 #59
there were plenty of poles killing jews to save themselves and their own families..

Put this into perspective. People of every country occupied in the war carried out acts to save their and their families lives. Self preservation is a stong instinct. We all like to think that we would act in a noble and righteous way. Pray that we never have to find out how we would react.
plk123 8 | 4,138
18 Oct 2007 #60
We all like to think that we would act in a noble and righteous way.

i sure won't even try to fool myself.. war is war and life is a b..


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