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Tusk turning his back to idea about Intermarium (New Commonwealth), seeing only EU as future for Poland


Crow 137 | 7,540
31 Jan 2017  #1
I am disappointment with Tusk. For me, its betrayal of Poland. And not only Poland but all people from Baltic to Balkan and Ukraine. EU isn`t our future but as Polish president Duda suggested- its Intermarium.

Sad news

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"The disintegration of the European Union will not lead to the restoration of some mythical, full sovereignty of its member states, but to their real and factual dependence on the great superpowers: the United States, Russia and China. Only together can we be fully independent," he wrote, and added:

source > b92/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2017&mm=01&dd=31&nav_id=100380

``Only together can we be fully independent`` - is what Tusk said. Bit no, we can`t be independent with western Europeans on our back. Intermarium or New Commonwealth is only hope.
cms 9 | 1,272
31 Jan 2017  #2
Well he is 100 percent correct - the EU has had some tough years but right now looks a better bet than the lunatic asylum across the Atlantic. Strong economic numbers out today - better than the US for the first time in several years. And those slow decision making mechanisms all of a sudden look a lot more attractive than the moron holding his scrawled signature up for Fox News every half an hour.
nothanks - | 640
31 Jan 2017  #3
but right now looks a better bet than the lunatic asylum across the Atlantic.

Haha. As an Obama voter - Trump has done more in 1 week than President Obama accomplished in 8 years. If "lunatic asylum" is how you see a politician that actually does what he campaigned and promised to do - then this just illustrates how badly you leftist have lost the plot. Trump said he would put American/Americans interest first and he's doing it. Meanwhile Western Europe can drown on all the muslims their heart desires
cms 9 | 1,272
31 Jan 2017  #4
I am not a leftist. Just a normal middle of the road person. Doing as many stupid things as you can in one week, without consulting your advisors does not count as progress.

Who at the moment looks a more stable ally for Poland ? Abusive idiot Trump ? Creepy Putin ? The impoverished Slavs outside the EU who refuse to reform ?
nothanks - | 640
31 Jan 2017  #5
cms, I know it's very humbling to realize Trump already has more power and influence than all of Europe combined but this is the reality. I can tell you first hand my American colleges do not give a crap if Merkel wins re-election. Yet Europeans are marching to protest Trump editing THEIR immigration policy. We live thru America/Americans.

Best ally: neither. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Trump is obviously putting America first. EU is obviously putting non-Europeans first. Lose lose situation for us. That is why Polands "magic answer or cure" lies within it's own borders.
cms 9 | 1,272
31 Jan 2017  #6
He will find life a lot more complicated than building a few apartment blocks. China is a huge holder of US debt. European markets are very important for US companies. The US consumer will not stand for inflation caused by a trade war. His son in law will likely inflame the Middle East again only this time nobody will be volunteering to help America. America is powerful but only in a system where co-operation rules. He will learn the hard way.
nothanks - | 640
31 Jan 2017  #7
Defeating 20 something candidates to win the American Presidency makes him more accomplished than most of the limp dicked leadership in Brussels. USA has such negotiating advantage, this might be some of the easiest business he does in years.

Why doesn't Western Europe grow a nutsack and build their own Wall/improve immigration policy so it isn't always at the mercy of other peoples decisions? Time to put on the big boy pants and stop sucking on Americas toxic titty. You should be celebrating the Puppet Master growing tiresome of us
mafketis 20 | 7,058
31 Jan 2017  #8
Just a normal middle of the road person. Doing as many stupid things as you can in one week, without consulting your advisors does not count as progress.

He's playing to the people that voted for him. they want him to wreck things.... and that's what he's doing.
Check Chris Arnade's twitter feed for explanations.
nothanks - | 640
31 Jan 2017  #9
they want him to wreck things.... and that's what he's doing.

"Wreck" is in the eye of the beholder. If you mean USA will no longer be the planets warmongering soup kitchen - sure he wrecked that
Ironside 47 | 9,628
31 Jan 2017  #10
Turned his back? Crow Tusk was never nothing else that a salesmen. He had been selling his services for years. He doesn't care about plans or what not he doesn't care about Poland or any other country. He only cares about Tusk.
Marsupial - | 888
31 Jan 2017  #11
The only place i ever hrard this commonwealth idea is from you crow. When i show it to other people they start laughing
NoToForeigners 6 | 961
31 Jan 2017  #12
@Marsupial
Well. You clearly know nothing about Poland and Poles.
Marsupial - | 888
1 Feb 2017  #13
Ofcourse i don't. Stop pretending there is some movement to join a coalition of the inept.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
1 Feb 2017  #14
The only place i ever hrard this commonwealth idea is from you crow. When i show it to other people they start laughing

Proudly, on this forum, I was first to speak of it. Mentioned that under its two names- New Commonwealth and Intermarium (historically, second originate from first). At that time, on the net you could read similar things about Centroslavia. Anyway, years later, newly elected Polish president Duda spoke of Intermarium just after he was elected. He announced it as kind of his aim. I was truly happy about it and had hope. Still have. Duda? Don`t know anymore what are his hopes. Political hopes I mean

He doesn't care about plans or what not he doesn't care about Poland or any other country. He only cares about Tusk.

Yes, he is true Chameleon. Controversial sometimes but, at the end, always clear in his actions.

See, Irone, you and myself, we maybe don`t agree on all topics but I do believe that we agree that Intermarium represent necessity. Intermarium, from Baltic to Balkan and Ukraine. Exactly that Intermarium, as Pilsudski himself suggested. Vigilant same way on its geographical western and eastern neighborhood. Sure, today we may add- worldwide neighborhood, considering that world globalize in few leading civilizations.

You must admit, its rather sad that we, in our countries, at the moment don`t have any political party/movement that openly speak of it, fight for it in its program. At least, I`m not familiar with non of it. So we live this reality that we live and only God knows what would happen with us and with our hopes.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
11 Feb 2017  #15
I think that USA and Russia pushing Poland in direction of Intermarium. It suits them. I think that Vatican also support exactly same option. They are in deal and Germany and other western Europeans can`t do anything about it. Oh, we live in so exciting times.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #16
Merged:

What a pity that Polish leadership betrayed old alliance with Serbians, at this critical historical moment



At a time when western Europe (ie EU) pressuring both- Poland and Serbia, when non can trust to NATO and USA, when Serbians realizing that Germany and western Europe side by side with Islamic league and USA destroyed Yugoslavia and plotted partition of Serbia, while Russia gave green light to it. At a time when Islamists and shadow of neo-Nazism threaten equally Poles and Serbians.

What a pity that Polish leadership failed, even stubbed Serbians in the back. Betrayed us Racowie, Sarmatian finest, pride and military elite of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It can cost us all dearly. Together, we could form New Commonwealth, Intermarium. Only together. This way, we can face only certain death and/or assimilation, humiliation. What a pity, what a pity.

Is there nobody among you my sisters and brothers who understand, who can spread the word and do something. Help us and help yourself, while there is still time left for us
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #17
And betrayal of Serbians started with Kwaśniewski and Tusk. And as a rule, those who betrayed Serbs, they betrayed Poles, too.

/See, Admin, this was good merging/
jon357 63 | 14,123
3 Aug 2017  #18
OLD ALLIANCE WITH SERBIANS,

There's no 'old alliance', no 'intermarium', except in your head.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #19
Then I got voices in my head?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Aug 2017  #20
What a pity that Polish leadership failed,

no worry,thing are going in right direction...it is only matter of time untill Poles realise that the western civilisation is collapsing
then it will be the time to forge new ideas and alliances..v4 is getting closer and now expanding to intermarium..we will need to cut ourselves from western caliphates soon.EU money is not even good anymore.some people predicts thet we will be net payers in 8 years...paying to keep euro bankrupts alive.and then watch support for EU wave

well..if EU survive that long
its time to look elsewhere
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
3 Aug 2017  #21
v4 is getting closer

A fantasy, to say the last. The Czechs want nothing to do with Poland, the Hungarians are out only for themselves (and they've just done a very dodgy deal with the Russians) and the Slovaks are always looking East.

we will need to cut ourselves from western caliphates soon

Sounds like someone who is promoting the idea of Big Brother Russia looking after us again.

its time to look elsewhere

Yep, definitely a Russian sympathiser here.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Aug 2017  #22
The Czechs want nothing to do with Poland, the Hungarians are out only for themselves (and they've just done a very dodgy deal with the Russians) and the Slovaks are always looking East.

there are differences,but as soon as geopolitical situation in west europe change all will understand that there is no other alternative but EE alliance and commonwealth.

we are already being massively attacked by germans and french. slowly in time we will need to cut ourselves out of EU failed project.and then idea of intermarium will become the only option left.

Sounds like someone who is promoting the idea of Big Brother Russia looking after us again.

ignorance speak through you again..

poland commonwealth and intermarium was always seen as threat to russian interests.
polish lithuanian commonwealth was the greatest enemy to russia.for centuries
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #23
it is only matter of time untill Poles realise that the western civilisation is collapsing

I know that. I only hope they won`t realize too late

its time to look elsewhere

See, because official Poland failed to coordinate with Serbia, or at least refrain itself from openly betraying Serbia, whenever Poland arise her head, somebody would tell something like delph just said >>> ``Yep, definitely a Russian sympathiser here.``

What I want to tell you, best card Poland have is Serbia. It securing eastern borders of Poland without necessity for any Poland`s deals with Russia. It stabilizing Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians. It stabilizing Poland from within.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Aug 2017  #24
whenever Poland arise her head, somebody would tell something like delph just said >>> ``Yep, definitely a Russian sympathiser here.``

those people and elites who kept Poland slave to foreign powers are gone for now...they scream and kick alot ,but wait until people realise that western world is collapsing and all those false gods of multiculti and liberalism are exposed,they will understand necessity of EE union

Poland`s deals with Russia.

russia is not a problem..its potential partner and friend,its slavic blood after all
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #25
A fantasy, to say the last.

You have wrong reasons here but, you are right.

there are differences,but as soon as geopolitical situation in west europe change all will understand that there is no other alternative but EE alliance and commonwealth.

No, not after official Poland stubbed Serbia in the back. Since Poland recognized Kosovo Visegrad Group is weaker and weakening day after day. Slovakia never recognized Kosovo, while Czech Rep. recognized but since then `Serbian question` represent electoral question on Czech elections considering that ruling establishment suffer great public pressure to annul Kosovo recognition. Hungary itself is closer and closer with Serbia. What unites Hungary and Serbia, isn`t Russia, but our mutual resistance to dictate of western Europe. See, it is policy of Hungary and Serbia what attract Slovakia and Czech republic and not policy of Poland. Poland isolated itself and, tragically, by all signals in Serbian media and in public, Serbians still wait for Poland. We owe this to Poland. We survived Ottomans because Poland wanted that we survive.

russia is not a problem..its potential partner and friend,its slavic blood after all

ultimately, you are right.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
3 Aug 2017  #26
Hungary itself is closer and closer with Serbia.

How was Hungary towards Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars, Crowie?

I only know that Hungary was known for turning a blind eye to the UN sanctions so Serbians could at least somehow live.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
3 Aug 2017  #27
nowdays everyone realise that antyserbian policy during balkan war was mistake...now,we all consider m.albright as war criminal.and later recognising kosovo by corrupted elites.

we cant turn back time but we learn from mistakes.
OP Crow 137 | 7,540
3 Aug 2017  #28
Its not too late for correction of mistake.

Only solution for official Poland is to annul its Kosovo recognition, what was shameful Tusk`s act of treachery of Polish and Serbian interests.

At the same time we Serbs knows feelings of Polish public. We love Polish brothers

How was Hungary towards Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars, Crowie?

Since Hungary escaping to negative German influences, Hungary is more and more reliable partner.

I only know that Hungary was known for turning a blind eye to the UN sanctions so Serbians could at least somehow live.

See, Hungary is relatively small political factor in comparison to Poland. It was expected that Hungary follow dictate of great powers. It was also expected that Poland show quality of great power and stand behind Serbia.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,403
29 Aug 2017  #29
[moved from]

And Duda promised Intermarium and now giving quite different signals

The countries invited do not want to be in the Intermarum
Marsupial - | 888
29 Aug 2017  #30
Mainly because it is bloody pointless and powerless.


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