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gumishu 15 | 6,285
14 Mar 2023 #61
Such is the level of Western insanity

what I think is that this insanity is premeditated: it is a clever ploy by the financial and other elites to divide the societies (and the world) in order to turn people's don't attention from growing disparity of income and wealth (including the shrinking of the middle class) in the developed nations (and the world at large)

it is exactly why Britain (the UK) is leading in this madness - Butler of the World by Oliver Bullough is an essential read on the subject (as per recommendation by Rafał Ziemkiewicz)
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #62
There is a difference between "isolation" and "separation"

Either way still creepy and I fear that notion.
gumishu 15 | 6,285
14 Mar 2023 #63
Yeah, sure: women just love to share toilets with men in schools, clubs etc
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #64
sure: women just love to share toilets with men in schools, clubs

I've been told I should mind but I simply don't see what's all the fuss is about I've seen man in women toilet, I used man and I've been to places where there is no separation.

If we assume that the only thing that is keeping women safe is isolating them from men then we have much bigger problems than trans people.
Lyzko 42 | 9,499
14 Mar 2023 #65
LGBTQ along with transgender identity are nonetheless still foreign to most Poles and the country continues to grapple with it, considering the hold of the Catholic Church of the country's morality.

Germany, Spain, Sweden, even Italy, exhibit slightly more liberal acceptance of what many considered societally deviant behavior.
mafketis 37 | 10,907
14 Mar 2023 #66
that narrative that women safety depends on isolation

Why do you think women's spaces arose in the first place?

Do you want to share dressing rooms or showers at the gym with a trans woman with a penis? Autogynephiles (men masquerading as trans 'women') often have an interest in exposing themselves in women's spaces...

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555915/Transgender-pervert-arrested-15-months-exposed-women-Wi-Spa-LA.html

Do you think women in prisons should share their spaces with this 'woman'?

bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-64438457

Lots more where that came from.... lots.....
jon357 75 | 22,573
14 Mar 2023 #67
that narrative that women safety depends on isolation.

A woman I know describes that trend as "infantilisation of women".

share toilets with men

The general trend is to move away from 'group' toilets, in there with other people to ones that are more individual and also inclusive for people with mobility needs. Society can afford better than shared latrines, and of course if a rapist wants to lurk in the bogs, they'll do it anyway. , regardless of gender rules. And how would you be sure what chromosomes the person in the next stall has? Are you looking under the divide with a mirror?

'trannie night' in the upstairs room

I used to stay in a hotel in Manchester that has monthly weekends for cross-dressing men. Mostly straight-identifying men (often attending with their wives), many of them socially conservative and generally wearing rather dreary clothes from BHS or wherever. The people who do the sparkle in clubs are a different demographic (that is performance and LARPing) as are the people who never fitted well in the gender that corresponds to their body and live the life fully. Some of that last category are people that most people wouldn't assume were the sex they were born. Amanda Lear, Dr Stephen Whittle and April Ashley come to mind.

Because however some people get outraged and nicely riled up by things they perceive as alien, this issue is used cleverly by investors, by their pet conservative politicians and their weak-minded enablers to create a fake culture war, one that distracts people from the fact that there are other people making more cash from their labour than they are, that in some places they don't even have universal healthcare and that they are being royally screwed by the wealthy. It distracts them nicely so they argue about that rather than things that actually affect them.
Novichok 3 | 7,844
14 Mar 2023 #68
I've been told I should mind but I simply don't see what's all the fuss is about I've seen men in women's toilets,

It's actually very simple.

Separating women and men in certain situations has been done since the beginning of time. When some a-holes want to change this tradition, the burden of proof that it would benefit society - not just a few mentally ill creeps - is on the proponents. So far, they didn't even try.

Before transgenderism took hold, we would stop a guy from walking into the shower area for the girls. Today, we are not allowed because his civil rights would be violated. Or his feelings hurt.

I am beginning to like Islam.

A woman I know describes that trend as "infantilisation of women".

She will change her opinion after she gets raped by a "woman" with a dick.
jon357 75 | 22,573
14 Mar 2023 #69
Do you think women in prisons should share their spaces with this 'woman'?

Should people in prisons share their spaces with anyone in this day and age?

masquerading as trans 'women') often have an interest in exposing themselves in women's spaces..

So "masquerading" and not in fact trans women.

And of course no man ever exposed himself to a woman before this, did they...
Novichok 3 | 7,844
14 Mar 2023 #70
So "masquerading" and not in fact trans women.

You don't know if the creep is pretending or for real. When we develop real-fake detectors and deploy them in public restrooms and school showers, we can discuss your point.

Until then, you have no point.
Atch 20 | 4,160
14 Mar 2023 #71
I've been told I should mind but I simply don't see what's all the fuss is about

I absolutely do not want to share toilet facilities or changing room areas with men. I don't even like buying lingerie from a male assistant. But then I went to a convent school :)
Paulina 17 | 4,445
14 Mar 2023 #72
No men in

Yeah, I have some serious doubts about this stuff too...

For example this case:

fb.watch/jgpPcQsMCR/

Check out what this "woman" looks like:

polskieradio24.pl/5/1223/artykul/3004346,transplciowa-plywaczka-nominowana-do-tytulu-kobiety-roku-ma-biologicznie-niesprawiedliwa-przewage

According to that video on FB that swimmer didn't have his penis removed and yet women were forced to change together with him in the dressing room and compete with him - and of course he would win, because he was bigger than women, he had wider back, bigger lungs, bigger hands and feet.

That's simply unfair.

I'm all for tolerance and inclusion (and making those people feel better about themselves), but there should be some common sense applied.

To be honest sometimes I can't blame people from other parts of the world when they get bewildered by what's going on in the West, because such cases make the West look like it went cuckoo. The West is shooting itself in the foot with stuff like this, imho.

Lately I've come across some kind of Polish add/article spreading awarness about the colour of blood during menstruation that was addressed towards "menstruating persons" lol To be honest, it made me chuckle and I can live with being called a "menstruating person" instead of a woman, but what shocked me were some of the comments. One woman O_O, for example, wrote that not only women are menstruating, which is simply not true ;D Only women menstruate, because only women have uterus lol This is basic knowledge from biology and that comment was written by a grown woman! o_O What the hell...

I actually see a very scary trend with the trans debate: that narrative that women safety depends on isolation.

I think by "women's spaces" people mean places like public toilets, etc.

I think I personally wouldn't mind if they were used by men who went through full surgery and actually resemble women. Because in other cases any pervert can claim that he went into the toilet for women, because he "feels that he's a woman".

If we assume that theonly thing that is keeping women safe is isolating them from men then we have much bigger problems than trans people.

I don't think anyone claims it's the only thing, but yeah, we do have problems (some societies more than others, obviously):

japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/to-know/traveling-in-japan/women-only-cars-on-trains
Novichok 3 | 7,844
14 Mar 2023 #73
which is simply not true ;D Only women menstruate,

Let the menstruating man try to make an appointment with a gynecologist and expect his insurance to pay for the visit.
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #74
Why do you think women's spaces arose in the first place?

They arose because people were convinced sexes shouldn't mix in any 'suspicious' manner. There were for example separate bathing spaces at the beach even though they were almost fully dressed.

Autogynephiles (men masquerading as trans 'women') often have an interest in exposing themselves in women's spaces...

That would be more a question of the 'how can we stop people abusing it'. Plus I would distinguish between toilets and changing rooms.

Do you think women in prisons should share their spaces with this 'woman'?

What spaces do you mean specifically?

That prison debate is another hilarious in a sad way:
The prison staff task is to keep the inmates safe. No matter if there are only women there, only man or both.
jon357 75 | 22,573
14 Mar 2023 #75
deploy them in public restrooms and school showers, w

You are paranoid. Or most likely just argumentative. Stop reading the 'daily mail'; it exists solely to whip up fear in the small-minded.

swimmer

That's surely a matter for the sports governing bodies. As I recall, there were a lot of discussions about Castor Semenya and her gender before she could compete in certain races.
Lyzko 42 | 9,499
14 Mar 2023 #76
I'm certain someplace, somewhere on this planet, LGBTQ/transgender restrooms exist.

Consequently, don't see why all the fuss 'n feathers!
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #77
That's simply unfair.

Sports is a matter I'm not convinced about either.
Lyzko 42 | 9,499
14 Mar 2023 #78
Again, as there are men's and women's changing rooms, we don't consider THAT discrimination now, do we. Same for LGBTQ or transgenders:-)
mafketis 37 | 10,907
14 Mar 2023 #79
Here, everybody meet Jeffrey Marsh.... he's a "non-binary" and trans advocate (especially 'trans' children) you might not have heard of him but he's a very big deal on tik tok...

If he doesn't make your skin crawl..... you need to hone your survival skills...

twitter.com/stormrobinson/status/1635678995479142400

He pretty much ticks off every box of child groomer behavior...

A British muslim comedienne made a video criticizing this creepazoid and you'll never guess what happened next...

louderwithcrowder.com/shumirun-nessa-jeffrey-marsh-dox
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #80
think I personally wouldn't mind if they were used by men who went through full surgery and actually resemble women

Here is a video for you I was shown some time ago:
youtu.be/zFgWCtDo77U
Paulina 17 | 4,445
14 Mar 2023 #81
They arose because people were convinced sexes shouldn't mix in any 'suspicious' manner.

To be honest, I don't care what was the original reason for the creation of such spaces. I want to feel comfortable and relatively safe in a public toitlet and I don't want men to use toilets for women, unless it's a father accompanying his little daughter or a guy after full sex transition.

That's surely a matter for the sports governing bodies.

Whoever decides about that - they should apply common sense and make sure they're being fair towards women.
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #82
He pretty much ticks off every box of child groomer behavior...

I can easily believe that but not based on a video like that.
jon357 75 | 22,573
14 Mar 2023 #83
Consequently, don't see why all the fuss 'n feathers!

Whipped up to distract people from issues that actually affect them.

Some people are easily suckered in.
mafketis 37 | 10,907
14 Mar 2023 #84
Lenka, wanna share a bathroom with this guy? Taking pictures of themselves in women's rooms is the latest autogynephile trend (exposing their lingerie bulge has been around a lot longer)

twitter.com/troonytoons/status/1635480007345848320
Lyzko 42 | 9,499
14 Mar 2023 #85
Amen, jon.
Lenka 5 | 3,499
14 Mar 2023 #86
Whipped up to distract people from issues that actually affect them.

Yes and no.
It's a big issue for trans people and girls/women that were affected professionally.
For the rest it's mostly let's find something controversial.

Lenka, wanna share a bathroom with this guy?

One I probably wouldn't even notice, I don't pay much attention.
Two, if by bathroom you mean toilet with seperate cubicles- I couldn't care less. I actually shared toiled with men in places where there was only general one and never thought twice about it.
mafketis 37 | 10,907
14 Mar 2023 #87
Some people are easily suckered in.

With all due respect you clearly have no idea of what's going on now with 'gender affirming care' for children and the ever increasing expansion of autogynephiles into women's spaces....

You didn't even know who Jeffrey Marsh or Dylan Mulvaney were recently... that's like making comments on the Polish political scene and not knowing who Hołownia or Czarnek are...
Lyzko 42 | 9,499
14 Mar 2023 #88
The entire issue seems to me as a male more than anything else a matter of personal space and nothing more!

Obviously, ingrained cultural ideologies play a significant role as well, namely, what constitutes "manly" vs. "womanly" behavior. Women have testosterone too, you know:-)
mafketis 37 | 10,907
14 Mar 2023 #89
Women have testosterone too,

So do you want your wife or daughter to share a restroom with the guy in #87?
jon357 75 | 22,573
14 Mar 2023 #90
'gender affirming care' for children

A good idea.

autogynephiles

A different issue.

Jeffrey Marsh or Dylan Mulvaney

Transgender issues don't depend on actors from one particular country. One country does not control the narrative. Do you think that Katoeys in Thailand or Transwomen in Istanbul even know or care who those individuals are?


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