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Polish EU Drivers Licence - can I get one the easy way (by paying for it)?


veikko
24 Aug 2009 #61
i need eu drivinglicence.Contact :capsest@gmail
GFFFDDFF
10 Sep 2009 #62
delphiandomine

The UK system is just a lottery, really.

Pure rubbish! The reason there is not a very high pass rate is because of the difficulty and hardness of the test and things you need to learn. It is a brilliant system of driving and a very safe way. It teaches you to be responsible and considerate about your and other driving. Have you passed your test???

It forces you too get your head down and learn and be safe on the road and recognises responsibility behind the wheel.

You talk **** and i suppose you advocate buying a liscence if you think its ok by a persons standards to believe they can drive then thats ok.

********.

The driving standards of the uk are one of if not the safest in the uk.

You shouldn't be on the raod with a vehicle if you cant drive anyway. The police and the insurance companies will make sure you don't kill anybody.

How bloody irresponsible is it to buy a liscence just to drive in another country in my eyes you are potential murderers if you have an accident and kill somebody.

Each country has there own standards and if you cant be arsed to take driving lessons and a test to meet that countries standards then you are dangerous and a bloody stupid arseholes. If everyother driver on say the uk has to meet thier strict standards, in the name of 'SAFETY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET KILLED' by nobheads like some of you lot then pass your test and take your lesson like everyone else.

My son works hard and takes lessons, thank god he hasn't turned out like you self centred thoughtless parasites like some of you where can i buy a liscence from *******.

BANNED-UK-DRIVA
Yes its definately wrong because there was a reason you were banned from driving, learn by your mistakes you jerk and stop looking for ways around it.

Idiots like you kill people on the raodds everyday. I suppose you want to drive without insurancce now do you, or was that why you got banned in the first place.

Learn to drive properly Idiot.
Harry
10 Sep 2009 #63
The driving standards of the uk are one of if not the safest in the uk.

Can't disagree with you there....
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Sep 2009 #64
Pure rubbish! The reason there is not a very high pass rate is because of the difficulty and hardness of the test and things you need to learn. It is a brilliant system of driving and a very safe way. It teaches you to be responsible and considerate about your and other driving.

So put yourself in the shoes of a UK driving examiner. You know that if you pass too little people, there'll be questions over you - but you also know that if you pass too many, then some examiners may be made redundant, which may include you. Therefore, there's an implicit pressure to fail people for trivial things or simply to overly nitpick at their driving.

Brilliant system of driving? You must be joking. I could pass my test in the Shetland Islands and receive a licence which allows me to drive *anywhere* - how is this brilliant when I would have absolutely no training on dual carriageways, motorways or otherwise?

Safe? See above. Our Shetlandic driver would receive a licence which allows him to drive on the M25 at rush hour without any extra training, even though he clearly would be dangerous in such a situation.

Responsible and considerate? Yes, because the UK is well known for considerate White Van Men and sales reps, aren't they? :) That would also be why young drivers have such incredibly high insurance premiums, because the system is producing responsible and considerate drivers...err...wait a second.

How bloody irresponsible is it to buy a liscence just to drive in another country in my eyes you are potential murderers if you have an accident and kill somebody.

Dearie me, yet another Daily Mail reader. If you actually knew anything about Europe, you'd know that it's nigh on impossible to 'buy' a licence from an EU country. It might be possible to get a fake, but any Brit driving around with a foreign licence is going to be scruntinised very, very carefully.

It forces you too get your head down and learn and be safe on the road and recognises responsibility behind the wheel.

No. It forces you to drive to pass an exam. It doesn't take into consideration *many* of the skills needed - such as driving at 70mph, overtaking on 60mph limit roads, driving in terrible conditions, what to do in the event of a blowout at 70mph and so on. It only teaches you how to drive according to what the DSA want - and this isn't producing safe drivers!

You talk **** and i suppose you advocate buying a liscence if you think its ok by a persons standards to believe they can drive then thats ok.

Clearly you haven't been reading what I've been saying.

Buying a licence is idiotic and you deserve to be ripped off. But the UK system is equally rubbish at producing good drivers - how is it logical that on the basis of a theory test and a 40 minute practical test, someone is qualified to drive a 7 seat MPV at over 100mph on the Autobahn in Germany? Simple answer - they're not!
GFFFDDFF
12 Sep 2009 #65
Harry

You got me there ;) Bet you passed your uk driving test didn't you. Mr Alertipants. :D

delphiandomine

More drivel, stop knocking a system which works and gets improved all the time.

As i said or mean't to say. The uk has one of if not the safest driving criteria towards obtaining a licence in the EU. Obviously everything has flaws if you look at it and i agree with what you said about all weather driving and motorway driving etc etc.

But don't knock it mate unless your gonna try and improve it. Most accidents and deaths are caused by drivers who have never or had very few driving lessons in there lives, let alone a licence.

If you took enough lessons to have passed your test, then you will know how safe a driver you are. If you haven't then you are never ready to pass your test because you haven't learned to drive properly or even make comments.

The DSA criteria covers you for a lot more than just passing its test. You need to attain awareness, responsibility as well as safety before you can pass your test. You can't fluke a test.

The examiners cannot fail you on something you haven't done wrong and to suggest otherwise is just utter bollox. Also you need to fail on the same thing more than once before you fail.

And if its dodgy why are you allowed to take somebody with you in the back to observe when the test is being carried out.

Basically maybe we should all sit in the backs of our mates and families cars on test day. That way the examiners won't be inclined to fail them. Great idea Einstien.

:D

delphiandomine

Oh yeah! and i read The Beano mate, not the mail and i don't know how to use words like Dearie! :D I live in the real world not a fantasy one. :D
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
13 Sep 2009 #66
More drivel, stop knocking a system which works and gets improved all the time.

Improved? I struggle to see what 'improvement' was made when the DSA introduced the swerve test into motorbike testing without considering the consequences if the test was carried out in adverse weather conditions.

Or what about the Hazard Perception part of the theory test which actually punishes you for noticing too many hazards?

Or should we talk about how the UK (unlike Poland!) hasn't got cameras in the examination cars, thus leading to a situation where examiners can fail people with absolutely no consequences?

Or we could even talk about how it's possible for someone to pass their driving test without any driving lessons whatsoever, unlike the superior Polish system which demands that all drivers undergo 30 hours of theory and 30 hours of practical training before being allowed to sit the test.

As i said or mean't to say. The uk has one of if not the safest driving criteria towards obtaining a licence in the EU. Obviously everything has flaws if you look at it and i agree with what you said about all weather driving and motorway driving etc etc.

The UK criteria is actually one of the weaker elements in the EU. There's no compulsory medical checks, there's no compulsory training, and the theory test is weaker than countries such as Spain. And let's not forget that in the UK, there's no standardised test car, unlike in Poland.

But don't knock it mate unless your gonna try and improve it. Most accidents and deaths are caused by drivers who have never or had very few driving lessons in there lives, let alone a licence.

Do you have a source for that outlandish claim? I find it hard to believe that at least 50% of accidents and deaths in the UK are caused by those without valid driving licences...

If you took enough lessons to have passed your test, then you will know how safe a driver you are. If you haven't then you are never ready to pass your test because you haven't learned to drive properly or even make comments.

You don't need lessons to pass your test in the UK. They're compulsory in many parts of Europe. I wonder which system is safer?

The DSA criteria covers you for a lot more than just passing its test. You need to attain awareness, responsibility as well as safety before you can pass your test. You can't fluke a test.

Oh yes you can. The amount of awful new drivers on UK roads are testament to the fact that while the DSA criteria gets people to drive in a way that they deem 'safe' - those very same drivers are actually dangerous because they've been taught to pass an exam, not taught to drive safely. The amount of accidents from young drivers is proof of this - if the system taught good drivers, they wouldn't be crashing, would they?

The examiners cannot fail you on something you haven't done wrong and to suggest otherwise is just utter bollox. Also you need to fail on the same thing more than once before you fail.

Are you suggesting that DSA examiners are completely fair? Of course they aren't. There's plenty of evidence suggesting that as long as there's no way of recording the test, DSA examiners aren't honest. And let's be honest, why would they want to be? As I've said, they have an implicit pressure to not pass too many people - as there'll be redundancies as a result.

And if its dodgy why are you allowed to take somebody with you in the back to observe when the test is being carried out.

That's one way to ensure the impartiality of the examiner. However, plenty of people don't avail of this. Of course, the examiner can still fail someone and without documentary evidence, there's no way of proving him/her wrong. The Polish system is far superior to the UK system in this respect.

Basically maybe we should all sit in the backs of our mates and families cars on test day. That way the examiners won't be inclined to fail them. Great idea Einstien.

It would be much easier to simply install cameras.

Ahh, just another Brit with an over-inflated sense of their importance in the world :)
GFFFDDFF
13 Sep 2009 #67
delphiandomine

GFFFDDFF

Why have you started a race war between Britain and Poland? I wasn't even comparing Poland and Britain, you seem to be very defensive.

Which to goes to show your bias and predjudices.

And for your info, i am not British. Doh!

And to be honest i am typing off the top of my head, most of what i am saying is my opinion and not really researched, but then i can acknowledge that, you just are thick my friend and cant expand upon a mundane boring conversation written because i have nothing better to do at present.

Funny how i can not be bothered to supply hard facts and admit it whereas you seem too dull that you couldn't even know where to begin or to even weigh up evidence to support for or against your arguments. Oh! yeah! wikipedia i suppose Ha!

You spend too much time on here.

delphiandomine

And i'm very sorry but you havent won any Britain v Poland arguments because in my head there wasn't any.

You've lost me because you have started making it personal and introducing sly little Britain v Poland comments.

Doh!

See ya i don't play those games.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
14 Sep 2009 #68
Why have you started a race war between Britain and Poland? I wasn't even comparing Poland and Britain, you seem to be very defensive.

A race war? Who mentioned race?

Which to goes to show your bias and predjudices.

And for your info, i am not British. Doh!

So if you're not British, what qualifies you to talk so authoritatively about the driving system in the UK?

And to be honest i am typing off the top of my head, most of what i am saying is my opinion and not really researched, but then i can acknowledge that, you just are thick my friend and cant expand upon a mundane boring conversation written because i have nothing better to do at present.

So you don't actually have any sources or statistics to back up your claims?

Thought so.

Funny how i can not be bothered to supply hard facts and admit it whereas you seem too dull that you couldn't even know where to begin or to even weigh up evidence to support for or against your arguments. Oh! yeah! wikipedia i suppose Ha!

On evidence of driver training systems in the EU, the UK is way behind many other states. The UK even allows drink drivers to drive after their disqualification - many EU states will demand psychological testing to be done and a re-test taken.

Or should we talk about how the UK allows a very high amount of alcohol to be taken before a positive test can be registered compared to most other EU states?

As for the Britain vs Poland stuff - let's be honest, the UK is simply inferior to most of the EU when it comes to driving standards and laws. Even the speed limits in the UK are ridiculously low - 112km/h on motorways? Even Ireland has 120km/h!
GFFFDDFF
14 Sep 2009 #69
Your so anti-uk arn't you.

Don't you have anything constructive to say.

Its sad i thought this kind of furore towards a country died after the second world war.

So now its Europe against the uk.

Lets just cut to the chase is it, you hate the UK and anything to do with it or its people is basically the lowest form of life. Basically **** on the bottom of your shoe.
dnz 17 | 710
14 Sep 2009 #70
As for the Britain vs Poland stuff - let's be honest, the UK is simply inferior to most of the EU when it comes to driving standards and laws. Even the speed limits in the UK are ridiculously low - 112km/h on motorways? Even Ireland has 120km/h!

Inferior? British drivers are among the safest and most courteous in Europe,

Driving on a british motorway during the week the whole thing works like a well oiled machine and you can predict what other drivers are going to do, when somebody has overtaken they usually pull straight back in using indicators to show their intent.

I know that our testing system is quite barbaric but it seems to produce drivers who know how do drive (well the basics, clutch brake etc) whereas in Poland Most people who have passed their test are useless and can't even use a clutch correctly.

On the other hand UK speed limits are far too low as they were devised when cars were built out of wood with wire wheels, drum brakes and cart springs for suspension and therefore 70 mph wasn't that easilly attainable. Nowadays a modern car can stop from 140 - 150 mph as effectively as a 30 - 40 year old car could stop from 60 and as technology advances so should the speed limits. I think we need a minimum speed limit of 70 mph and a maximium of 125 mph as its actually nearly impossible to find a car that won't do 100 mph nowadays

zero tolerance on alcohol too, and fit every car with a breathalyser linked to the immobiliser making drink driving impossible.
niejestemcapita 2 | 561
14 Sep 2009 #71
delphiandomine:
As for the Britain vs Poland stuff - let's be honest, the UK is simply inferior to most of the EU when it comes to driving standards and laws. Even the speed limits in the UK are ridiculously low - 112km/h on motorways? Even Ireland has 120km/h!

I am sorry but this is just arrant rubbish, British drivers are far better than those Euronutters.
This is fact.
Ever been to Greece, Italy or Spain? Seen the roadside shrines to the dead of the road??
mvefa 5 | 591
14 Sep 2009 #72
As for the Britain vs Poland stuff - let's be honest, the UK is simply inferior to most of the EU when it comes to driving standards and laws. Even the speed limits in the UK are ridiculously low - 112km/h on motorways? Even Ireland has 120km/h!

Naaah there are countries where you cannot drive faster than 80, Holland for example, and they are about to change that to 70km per hour for some highways, to avoid high emissions. So if you come by car to Holland, prepare for some old-fashioned granny driving.

Ever been to Greece, Italy or Spain?

Yeps, car parts spread everywhere, from all those accidents. shivers!!!!
dnz 17 | 710
14 Sep 2009 #73
Naaah there are countries where you cannot drive faster than 80, Holland for example, and they are about to change that to 70km per hour for some highways, to avoid high emissions. So if you come by car to Holland, prepare for some old-fashioned granny driving.

I normally assume the autobahn starts in Holland and open the taps when I leave Belgium and proceed at full tilt through holland and ze fazzerland, Never been caught and at night the roads are usually lovely and empty. 70 kph is far too slow, The BMW would produce higher emmisions at this speed as it would select 3rd or 4th and keep the engine at high revs whereas at 100 mph it would be ticking over at about 2000 rpm and using less fuel. seems a crazy bit of legislation.

Speed doesn't kill, its becoming stationary suddenly, thats what kills you :)
mvefa 5 | 591
14 Sep 2009 #74
70 kph is far too slow, The BMW would produce higher emmisions at this speed as it would select 3rd or 4th and keep the engine at high revs whereas at 100 mph it would be ticking over at about 2000 rpm and using less fuel. seems a crazy bit of legislation.

That was my thought as well, but our politicians are crazy about getting as much cars as possible out of the highways. They want us all to use the public transport..
dnz 17 | 710
14 Sep 2009 #75
They want us all to use the public transport.

Theyre trying this in the UK but when its cheaper to drive a v8 bmw from one place to another as opposed to taking the train their plans are somewhat flawed. Also where I live there are 2 buses a week to the nearest town, + public transport is dirty, smelly, unreliable, slow and usually packed full of peasants and therefore unless public transport can provide me with the same level of comfort and convenience as my car its not a viable alternative.

The day they can provide me with a bus or train which leaves from my driveway as and when i want it to and takes me directly to my destination for the time I want to be there surrounded by leather and wood with the music of my choice playing and the air conditioning set at the temperature i want for the same price or less than it costs me to drive i'll start using it, Until then no chance
mvefa 5 | 591
14 Sep 2009 #76
Yeah, that's the difference with Holland, fortunately we have really good public transport, spotless, air-co, heating, spacious, affordable, and the networks is inmense, you can go to the most remote crap-village you can imagine. In my case it is easier with the public transport since i live in the center of Amsterdam and find it a place to park a car is almost impossible (thanks to your gov.)
Wroclaw Boy
14 Sep 2009 #77
Yeah, that's the difference with Holland, fortunately we have really good public transport, spotless, air-co, heating, spacious, affordable, and the networks is inmense,

Yeh but Holland is such a small country its pretty easy to imagine why they have a system like that kind of like London.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
14 Sep 2009 #78
Lets just cut to the chase is it, you hate the UK and anything to do with it or its people is basically the lowest form of life. Basically **** on the bottom of your shoe.

Of course, you've just made the mistake of assuming that I'm not from the UK ;)

Inferior? British drivers are among the safest and most courteous in Europe,

Driving on a british motorway during the week the whole thing works like a well oiled machine and you can predict what other drivers are going to do, when somebody has overtaken they usually pull straight back in using indicators to show their intent.

Aha, I didn't say a word about the abilities of drivers :P

British drivers are among the best in Europe, but I think it's a lot to do with national mentality - the Spanish driving test is ridiculously tough, yet they produce shockingly bad drivers with absolutely no idea how to drive apart from tunnel vision. Likewise, the Polish system is harder, yet it produces absolutely shocking drivers. Yet even though the British system is quite easy to get through, it doesn't produce absolutely dreadful drivers.

Maybe it's to do with enforcement, I dunno.
dnz 17 | 710
14 Sep 2009 #79
Finland has the right idea, they teach you how to drive properly ie, correcting slides, power sliding, snow driving, its similar to rallying lessons, This produces good drivers who are able to cope with whatever happens which is necessary when on the road as things can go wrong and drivers should know how to correct it. It has long been my belief that skid pan training and a few laps of a track should be incorporated into driving lessons to prove you are a compentent driver.

Look at Polish drivers for example, they seem to have no idea about road position and how to take a corner effectively ie braking before you enter and powering on as you exitto keep the rear wheels in check (RWD only)

My instructor explained to me that a car is like a piece of string and you should aim to keep it tight at all times to maintain the best traction.
warrigal
1 Oct 2009 #80
delphiandomine your here sprending you venom

there has to be a answer to all these ******** rules and regulations, that only acceive one thing, they STOP people from having a Life and being able to Drive a Motor vehicle for that LIFE
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Oct 2009 #81
.....what?

I'd have mandatory intelligence tests before allowing people to drive, personally.
warrigal
1 Oct 2009 #82
all i know is this 185 day bulshit is stopping me from traveling to europe and working in europe

ie Actually doing something with there life
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Oct 2009 #83
all i know is this 185 day bulshit is stopping me from traveling to europe and working in europe

Do you have a full Australian licence?

If so, you can drive on this for upto a year in the EU.
warrigal
1 Oct 2009 #84
not in the uk they won't change it over, i have also seen 6 mths term in other countrys, So for me the only option is Change over to EU UK or ant other country and then apply for Provisional entilement for c1 lorry/ bus etc

I have a Australian (Queensland) provisional licence that is valid for 1 year, A provisional is a full legal licence in Australia, we have a 3 year provisional graduate licence for Young Drivers in Australia with P plates. and i am not a young driver
drew128 3 | 55
1 Oct 2009 #85
GFFFDDFF

Then forget all they were taught the day after the test, average drivers at best, very easy test compared to other Western European countries, no training on motorways, no skid pan training, come on its easy. Have a look at Germany, the Scandinavian countries tests then thank you lucky stars we got the English version.
dnz 17 | 710
1 Oct 2009 #86
not in the uk they won't change it over, i have also seen 6 mths term in other countrys

If you can already drive then passing the test in the uk should be easy for you and take a matter of weeks, do your theory which is easy and then do a weeks intensive course which you should pass,

sorry our laws don't allow you to drive on a provisional in europe but you can see it makes sense.

Although the oz way does seem to be quite a good way, do you have to take a test or can you just jump in a skyline attach the p plates and go for it?
warrigal
1 Oct 2009 #87
The OZ way is quite a good way I don't think so , ever since the 2007 rules came in it is harder to get a Drivers licence. Pass your therory Learners licence, learn to drive, complete a log book 6000 hours driving, hold your learners licence for 1 year before doing practical test. For young drivers you then get a Provisional Licence for 2 years, after that you have to do a hassard perception test to get the 2nd half of the provisional Licence, Some states have a Four Year provisional.

This is the same if your over 25, You still have to have a provisional Licence for One year

licencing as far as trucks and lorrys, must hold a Car licence for one year and some classes are One year and one smaller trucks or even 2 years before a HC (semi trailer)

I was oringinally told that my c class would be able to be changed to a b class and then i could apply for C1 entilement, but it dosn't look like this will happen now.

Going though this c class/ b class hell is not an option
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Oct 2009 #88
I have a Australian (Queensland) provisional licence that is valid for 1 year, A provisional is a full legal licence in Australia, we have a 3 year provisional graduate licence for Young Drivers in Australia with P plates. and i am not a young driver

Aha, well, if it's not a full unrestricted licence, then you can't blame EU states for refusing to accept it as a full licence.

Why don't you just wait until you have a full Australian licence?
warrigal
3 Oct 2009 #89
Its not a Resicted Drivers licence ( you can drive on your own) unlike the UK Provissional that is Restricted (where you have to have a Licenced driver with you).

I oringinally Contacted the DVLA and they said yes the Provisional as long as it was current in date, could be changed over to UK Full Licence Not provissional, They then said that I could then Apply for Entiletelment C1 Provissional and then get a C1 Licence.

Now I find that unless it is a EU licence it won't change over at all, Thats why I went down the line of this EU Drivers licence translation idea from that website only to find it is a SCAM.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Oct 2009 #90
I still don't see what the problem is. You can drive in the EU for a year on your Australian licence, which is more than enough time to pass the EU driving tests. You'll need the International Driving Permit - which is just a translation of your Australian licence into other languages.

You'll then satisfy the 185 days residency condition without a problem.

Is it really that big a problem having to pass a driving test in the EU? You'll be able to work perfectly legally on the Australian licence for a year - and all evidence suggests that you can get away with a foreign licence for more than a year!


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