SigSauer
23 Oct 2017
SigSauer
23 Oct 2017
Classifieds / Trying to learn Polish language in Bialystok [16]
@Roger5
Lol Roger, I walked by that place a few months ago, my girls mom tried to explain to me, this is a made up language right?
@Roger5
Lol Roger, I walked by that place a few months ago, my girls mom tried to explain to me, this is a made up language right?
SigSauer
23 Oct 2017
Classifieds / Trying to learn Polish language in Bialystok [16]
@Rio911
I would echo what Harry said. But if you are looking to self-study in your free time I would recommend 'Living Language.' I used quite a few different systems when I was learning Russian, and I found Living Language to be the best of all the systems. I'll be starting on Polish in a few months myself, and I'll be using their system.
@Harry
I found it to be a delightful town...its where my fiance grew up, and I think it's such a beautiful region, definitely more my speed than Warsaw was, and reminded me the most of home as far as geography and quaintness. We would live there permanently if there was work for a respectable salary, but unfortunately I don't think that will be a reality anytime soon.
@Rio911
I would echo what Harry said. But if you are looking to self-study in your free time I would recommend 'Living Language.' I used quite a few different systems when I was learning Russian, and I found Living Language to be the best of all the systems. I'll be starting on Polish in a few months myself, and I'll be using their system.
@Harry
I found it to be a delightful town...its where my fiance grew up, and I think it's such a beautiful region, definitely more my speed than Warsaw was, and reminded me the most of home as far as geography and quaintness. We would live there permanently if there was work for a respectable salary, but unfortunately I don't think that will be a reality anytime soon.
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
Classifieds / Trying to learn Polish language in Bialystok [16]
@mafketis
I can't relate to what you're saying because I've only been in Warsaw and Bialystok personally. I can say that I didn't enjoy Warsaw because it seemed like the liberal 'hipster' culture had infected the city. That is in stark contrast to my experience as a resident in Kyiv, where the progressive virus and hipster culture hasn't taken hold. So Bialystok certainly felt more authentically Eastern European if I compare to my previous experiences, although obviously much more modern compared to where I had lived previously.
@mafketis
I can't relate to what you're saying because I've only been in Warsaw and Bialystok personally. I can say that I didn't enjoy Warsaw because it seemed like the liberal 'hipster' culture had infected the city. That is in stark contrast to my experience as a resident in Kyiv, where the progressive virus and hipster culture hasn't taken hold. So Bialystok certainly felt more authentically Eastern European if I compare to my previous experiences, although obviously much more modern compared to where I had lived previously.
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Lyzko
There is no acting out. Those people do not belong in European society, and it has nothing to do with their skin color. Their cultures are antithetical to contemporary liberal values, they hate everything about our western civilization. They curse our laws and our customs, while going on the public dole.
Under International Law, you are to seek refuge in the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY that you enter. There is no stipulation that says you get to go the country of your choosing, or the country with the best public benefits. They should be grateful to be safe from war, AND they should REPATRIATE at the cessation of hostilities.
This liberal tree hugger nonsense has GOT TO END. You people are literally fueling the rise of far-right politics in Europe, and we do NOT NEED THAT, so it is time to wise up with importing people who literally hate us into our societies. Instead of doubling down on stupid like Frau Merkel, we need to chart the path that the European electorates across the continent have shown they want. They WANT nation-states, and they WANT borders to be controlled. They certainly do not want to be lectured by limousine liberal MEP's who tell you that you need to accept people with 7th century ideologies that hate you, whilst they live behind their gated communities, armed guards, up-armored vehicles, and inside a security envelope. They certainly don't need to worry about getting gang raped or groped by people who don't believe women have the right to say no.
@Lyzko
There is no acting out. Those people do not belong in European society, and it has nothing to do with their skin color. Their cultures are antithetical to contemporary liberal values, they hate everything about our western civilization. They curse our laws and our customs, while going on the public dole.
Under International Law, you are to seek refuge in the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY that you enter. There is no stipulation that says you get to go the country of your choosing, or the country with the best public benefits. They should be grateful to be safe from war, AND they should REPATRIATE at the cessation of hostilities.
This liberal tree hugger nonsense has GOT TO END. You people are literally fueling the rise of far-right politics in Europe, and we do NOT NEED THAT, so it is time to wise up with importing people who literally hate us into our societies. Instead of doubling down on stupid like Frau Merkel, we need to chart the path that the European electorates across the continent have shown they want. They WANT nation-states, and they WANT borders to be controlled. They certainly do not want to be lectured by limousine liberal MEP's who tell you that you need to accept people with 7th century ideologies that hate you, whilst they live behind their gated communities, armed guards, up-armored vehicles, and inside a security envelope. They certainly don't need to worry about getting gang raped or groped by people who don't believe women have the right to say no.
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Lyzko
This is a fallacious argument Lyzko. You're preaching your own version of leftism, and if I read your post right, you are trying to conflate people who don't agree with your world view on immigration as "Neo-Nazi's?" I am actually asking you to clarify what you said, not trying to editorialize what you said, I hope you understand.
Further to my point. While professing that Europeans should 'tolerate' people who hate their culture, seek to change and impose their own perverted 7th century morality on them; I don't see anyone lecturing the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Papua New Guineans, Ecuadorians, Hondurans, on how they should accept 160,000 Syrian refugees and be tolerant. It is somehow ok for Japan and Korea to have a homogeneous society. However, it's not ok for Poland to be homogeneous? It's not ok for Austria to be homogeneous? No of course, the "white devil" can't have a homeland, and to suggest otherwise means of course that you're a Neo-Nazi, bigot, islamophobe, xenophobe, <insert bombastic label to shut down any rational discussion of immigration policy and its deleterious effects.>,
@Lyzko
This is a fallacious argument Lyzko. You're preaching your own version of leftism, and if I read your post right, you are trying to conflate people who don't agree with your world view on immigration as "Neo-Nazi's?" I am actually asking you to clarify what you said, not trying to editorialize what you said, I hope you understand.
Further to my point. While professing that Europeans should 'tolerate' people who hate their culture, seek to change and impose their own perverted 7th century morality on them; I don't see anyone lecturing the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Papua New Guineans, Ecuadorians, Hondurans, on how they should accept 160,000 Syrian refugees and be tolerant. It is somehow ok for Japan and Korea to have a homogeneous society. However, it's not ok for Poland to be homogeneous? It's not ok for Austria to be homogeneous? No of course, the "white devil" can't have a homeland, and to suggest otherwise means of course that you're a Neo-Nazi, bigot, islamophobe, xenophobe, <insert bombastic label to shut down any rational discussion of immigration policy and its deleterious effects.>,
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@Lyzko
Right, could you give me some clarity though as to the question I asked? Were you conflating people who disagree with your world view as being Neo-Nazis? I only ask because a recent tactic has been to conflate wanting strict immigration policies with Neo-Nazism, rather than traditional conservatism and wanting to preserve our societies, which seems to be a legitimate position for all countries with non-white majorities. I actually do believe that (at least in America) the left/progressives are ardent racists, as they seek to ascribe more or less value to individuals based on the group they belong to, it is identity politics of the lowest order.
We certainly should fill our labor needs with immigrants when it suits us, however, those immigrants should be highly skilled (H1B visas), and from cultures that share our core values (such as liberal values, women being equal, LGBT rights to exist as they want, religious freedoms, freedom of speech; especially freedom to insult your religious sensibilities).
If these people are not a danger, why then, from 2014-2017 did Poland take 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees, in the same span of time Germany took 1 million Syrian&North African refugees; yet in Poland, no one has driven laury's into crowds of people, no one has blown themselves up at a concert, or gone on a knife stabbing spree? What is the difference? People in Ukraine are dirt poor, I was a resident, and I know first hand how destitute many of them are. If it is not economics, then what is the reason for this disparity in violence? I have an idea, but I'd like to hear yours.
@Lyzko
Right, could you give me some clarity though as to the question I asked? Were you conflating people who disagree with your world view as being Neo-Nazis? I only ask because a recent tactic has been to conflate wanting strict immigration policies with Neo-Nazism, rather than traditional conservatism and wanting to preserve our societies, which seems to be a legitimate position for all countries with non-white majorities. I actually do believe that (at least in America) the left/progressives are ardent racists, as they seek to ascribe more or less value to individuals based on the group they belong to, it is identity politics of the lowest order.
We certainly should fill our labor needs with immigrants when it suits us, however, those immigrants should be highly skilled (H1B visas), and from cultures that share our core values (such as liberal values, women being equal, LGBT rights to exist as they want, religious freedoms, freedom of speech; especially freedom to insult your religious sensibilities).
If these people are not a danger, why then, from 2014-2017 did Poland take 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees, in the same span of time Germany took 1 million Syrian&North African refugees; yet in Poland, no one has driven laury's into crowds of people, no one has blown themselves up at a concert, or gone on a knife stabbing spree? What is the difference? People in Ukraine are dirt poor, I was a resident, and I know first hand how destitute many of them are. If it is not economics, then what is the reason for this disparity in violence? I have an idea, but I'd like to hear yours.
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@Lyzko
Yea, and I made sure not to accuse you of such, I was just trying to clarify what I thought was an imprecise thought or language regarding that.
@Lyzko
Yea, and I made sure not to accuse you of such, I was just trying to clarify what I thought was an imprecise thought or language regarding that.
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]
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@Lyzko
Right, I don't disagree with your point on that one. I would however like to hear your opinion on my aforementioned points, specifically regarding the disparity in violence between 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees and 1 million Syrian refugees. Why is there not an epidemic of rape and sexual assault across Poland right now?
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@Lyzko
Right, I don't disagree with your point on that one. I would however like to hear your opinion on my aforementioned points, specifically regarding the disparity in violence between 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees and 1 million Syrian refugees. Why is there not an epidemic of rape and sexual assault across Poland right now?
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@Tacitus
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......ok.... I'll just leave this morsel right here for you to ponder, as we watch liberals heads spin trying to explain away the massive amount of sexual assaults that happened in Cologne.
huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/mass-sexual-assaults-in-g_b_8959952.html
Aside from the actual hard facts, in which sexual assaults have indeed gone up in number due to the refugee influx, do you know any actual German people? I mean, we can speak anecdotally for a minute, and I'll say that the Germans I work with do not want to go back to their country, and frequently refer to it as "ruined." The chickens are coming home to roost, in Germany and in Sweden.
You could continue to be completely disingenuous and borderline willfully dishonest in order to toe the party line of progressive self-destruction and voting against your own self-interests. However, the only thing that position is going to get you, me, and the rest of Europe, is MORE far-right politicians in office. It should say something when we actually had to contemplate whether Marine LaPen and Geert Wilders would win an election. I really would not like to see far-right politicians in office in Europe, but continue to advocate those policies of the forced proven failure of multiculturalism, and that is what we will have.
(as an aside, I generally think the characterization of these politicians as 'far-right' is overblown hyperbolics designed to detract from them personally, and not have to address the valid points in their message)
@Tacitus
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......ok.... I'll just leave this morsel right here for you to ponder, as we watch liberals heads spin trying to explain away the massive amount of sexual assaults that happened in Cologne.
huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/mass-sexual-assaults-in-g_b_8959952.html
Aside from the actual hard facts, in which sexual assaults have indeed gone up in number due to the refugee influx, do you know any actual German people? I mean, we can speak anecdotally for a minute, and I'll say that the Germans I work with do not want to go back to their country, and frequently refer to it as "ruined." The chickens are coming home to roost, in Germany and in Sweden.
You could continue to be completely disingenuous and borderline willfully dishonest in order to toe the party line of progressive self-destruction and voting against your own self-interests. However, the only thing that position is going to get you, me, and the rest of Europe, is MORE far-right politicians in office. It should say something when we actually had to contemplate whether Marine LaPen and Geert Wilders would win an election. I really would not like to see far-right politicians in office in Europe, but continue to advocate those policies of the forced proven failure of multiculturalism, and that is what we will have.
(as an aside, I generally think the characterization of these politicians as 'far-right' is overblown hyperbolics designed to detract from them personally, and not have to address the valid points in their message)
SigSauer
24 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Atch
Poland has taken over ONE MILLION REFUGEES since 2014. 1.1 million Ukrainians actually. What other country in the EU has taken 1 million refugees besides Germany? Why should they take more? Poles have to share in the insecurity, vehicle attacks, concert bombings, and rapes like the rest of Europe? Have to really spread that misery out evenly among member states right. Guess what, Poland is a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, a NATION-STATE. I know that really chaps the ass of you f***ing statists in the European Union, who have absolute contempt to notion of nation-states, but that is a fact. Here's an idea Atch, you want these refugees so badly, you clear out a few rooms in your house and let them move in with you, ok?
@Lyzko
Really Lyzko? Can we dispense with the histrionics please? No one is committing genocide against these refugee/migrant groups. They would not be in a position to be persecuted however, if they stayed in their country, OR if they followed INTERNATIONAL LAW and taken refuge in the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY they reached, in many cases Turkey.
@Tacitus
Right, whether they were Syrian or North-African, and I'm not sure how you could know their nationality since the majority of them were not arrested and brought to justice, but anyway, that is inconsequential; all it does is exemplifies my point that these people and their culture, are incompatible with contemporary liberal values and Western society.
@Atch
Poland has taken over ONE MILLION REFUGEES since 2014. 1.1 million Ukrainians actually. What other country in the EU has taken 1 million refugees besides Germany? Why should they take more? Poles have to share in the insecurity, vehicle attacks, concert bombings, and rapes like the rest of Europe? Have to really spread that misery out evenly among member states right. Guess what, Poland is a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, a NATION-STATE. I know that really chaps the ass of you f***ing statists in the European Union, who have absolute contempt to notion of nation-states, but that is a fact. Here's an idea Atch, you want these refugees so badly, you clear out a few rooms in your house and let them move in with you, ok?
@Lyzko
Really Lyzko? Can we dispense with the histrionics please? No one is committing genocide against these refugee/migrant groups. They would not be in a position to be persecuted however, if they stayed in their country, OR if they followed INTERNATIONAL LAW and taken refuge in the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY they reached, in many cases Turkey.
@Tacitus
Right, whether they were Syrian or North-African, and I'm not sure how you could know their nationality since the majority of them were not arrested and brought to justice, but anyway, that is inconsequential; all it does is exemplifies my point that these people and their culture, are incompatible with contemporary liberal values and Western society.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
You are trying to point out a mere technicality in the number of processed and approved asylum applications. Tomorrow the Polish government could decide it will grant all 1 million Ukrainians currently working and residing within their borders asylum status. That would warm my heart, as it would take the wind out of the sails of statists like yourself who actually think that countries who voted for an ECONOMIC UNION, should have their own internal POLITICAL affairs dictated to it by MEP's, who are often times obscure political hacks and failures in their own countries. The level of arrogance and condescension in your posts is truly unparalleled.
I'm not sure why we are really even having this argument. You can certainly engage in these mental gymnastics, but the stark reality is that Poland will not take one single refugee from one of these countries with 7th century cultural ideologies. You could certainly continue to be an ideologue on this issue, but really there are two points on why you shouldn't. 1) Poland is not going to comply. so the union in continuing to try to push this hardship onto Poland is only going to make itself like impudent to the rest of the member states. 2) As I stated previously, these policies are doing nothing to stem the rise of far-right politicians in Europe. We are all doomed if you think that in the last 2 years people are suddenly 'more racist' or 'more xenophobic' than they were 2 years ago. I liken this to the way people view large corporations, well prices have gone up because of the "greed on wall street." As if that is some sort of variable, when in fact greed is a constant.
I take significant issue with this world view because it has a sort of arrogance attached to it, that says to just 'shut up,' because you are not 'enlightened' like ME, you just don't know enough about the subject like ME. Really it is virtue signalling of the highest order, and to be honest people don't appreciate it. I know that leftists are accustomed to getting away with this behavior when they speak to people who aren't very well educated on these topics, and they throw out some buzz words and try to assert some ostensible superiority over that person.
If you want to engage in constructive dialogue about these issues, I would really enjoy that, as you are at least well informed in your own regard. We can at least address some of these points on their merits, rather than just saying "this is the decision, you little Polish people will like it!" (I'm not Polish by the way).
ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
You are trying to point out a mere technicality in the number of processed and approved asylum applications. Tomorrow the Polish government could decide it will grant all 1 million Ukrainians currently working and residing within their borders asylum status. That would warm my heart, as it would take the wind out of the sails of statists like yourself who actually think that countries who voted for an ECONOMIC UNION, should have their own internal POLITICAL affairs dictated to it by MEP's, who are often times obscure political hacks and failures in their own countries. The level of arrogance and condescension in your posts is truly unparalleled.
I'm not sure why we are really even having this argument. You can certainly engage in these mental gymnastics, but the stark reality is that Poland will not take one single refugee from one of these countries with 7th century cultural ideologies. You could certainly continue to be an ideologue on this issue, but really there are two points on why you shouldn't. 1) Poland is not going to comply. so the union in continuing to try to push this hardship onto Poland is only going to make itself like impudent to the rest of the member states. 2) As I stated previously, these policies are doing nothing to stem the rise of far-right politicians in Europe. We are all doomed if you think that in the last 2 years people are suddenly 'more racist' or 'more xenophobic' than they were 2 years ago. I liken this to the way people view large corporations, well prices have gone up because of the "greed on wall street." As if that is some sort of variable, when in fact greed is a constant.
I take significant issue with this world view because it has a sort of arrogance attached to it, that says to just 'shut up,' because you are not 'enlightened' like ME, you just don't know enough about the subject like ME. Really it is virtue signalling of the highest order, and to be honest people don't appreciate it. I know that leftists are accustomed to getting away with this behavior when they speak to people who aren't very well educated on these topics, and they throw out some buzz words and try to assert some ostensible superiority over that person.
If you want to engage in constructive dialogue about these issues, I would really enjoy that, as you are at least well informed in your own regard. We can at least address some of these points on their merits, rather than just saying "this is the decision, you little Polish people will like it!" (I'm not Polish by the way).
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Atch
Fortunately, international relations is characterized by chaos, and countries act in their interests and they do what they can get away with. Short of invading Poland, I don't see a situation where Poland will honor that agreement, much to the chagrin of radical left statists.
Your last point is PRECISELY the reason that European politicians need to change course and abandon the open borders, forced multiculturalism (which is a proven failure). They will continue to fuel the rise of the far-right by trying to stick by these policies. At least as we can see in Austria, a centrist politician has decided to co-opt some of the platform of the right in order to win an election, and placate at least some of the electorate calling for extreme measures that are rather unpalatable for everyone.
@Atch
Fortunately, international relations is characterized by chaos, and countries act in their interests and they do what they can get away with. Short of invading Poland, I don't see a situation where Poland will honor that agreement, much to the chagrin of radical left statists.
Your last point is PRECISELY the reason that European politicians need to change course and abandon the open borders, forced multiculturalism (which is a proven failure). They will continue to fuel the rise of the far-right by trying to stick by these policies. At least as we can see in Austria, a centrist politician has decided to co-opt some of the platform of the right in order to win an election, and placate at least some of the electorate calling for extreme measures that are rather unpalatable for everyone.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@cms
You know that I was totally on board with just about everything you said, until you had to add in "appallingly." Right, because I currently live in the Middle East, and you're going to tell pontificate to me about how there is not a pervasive problem in the cultures of people from this region. I live here and deal with them every single day. So yes I will repeat that the people from this region and North Africa do indeed have 7th century cultural ideologies when it comes to the role of women, their rights, and the rights of LGBTQ people and their ability to live their lives and exist. They have open hostility to western civilization, our values, our right to exist as a country, our religion, and to suggest otherwise is an affront to the people who have given their lives in furtherance of those ideas. They do not have any place in our society, their cultural ideologies being antithetical to European liberal values. It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of melanin in their skin, and everything to do with the ideas in their heads. Open up your spare bedroom to them, if you feel so strongly and are such a humanitarian.
I will have to laugh at the idea that Poland's previous government made that deal, so of course the new one has to honor it. Ukraine gave up 1,200 nuclear weapons and the United Kingdom and United States in exchange for protecting its sovereignty. If two of the biggest powers in the world do not honor their agreements, I think you are holding Poland to an unjust and unfair standard on this issue. (I'm American btw).
@mafketis
If you check the news, KSA has announced that they are ending the practice of promoting extreme versions of its religion, and will be joining the rest of us in the 21st century. Of course I will believe it when I see it, but the changes have already begun to take place on the ground.
@cms
You know that I was totally on board with just about everything you said, until you had to add in "appallingly." Right, because I currently live in the Middle East, and you're going to tell pontificate to me about how there is not a pervasive problem in the cultures of people from this region. I live here and deal with them every single day. So yes I will repeat that the people from this region and North Africa do indeed have 7th century cultural ideologies when it comes to the role of women, their rights, and the rights of LGBTQ people and their ability to live their lives and exist. They have open hostility to western civilization, our values, our right to exist as a country, our religion, and to suggest otherwise is an affront to the people who have given their lives in furtherance of those ideas. They do not have any place in our society, their cultural ideologies being antithetical to European liberal values. It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of melanin in their skin, and everything to do with the ideas in their heads. Open up your spare bedroom to them, if you feel so strongly and are such a humanitarian.
I will have to laugh at the idea that Poland's previous government made that deal, so of course the new one has to honor it. Ukraine gave up 1,200 nuclear weapons and the United Kingdom and United States in exchange for protecting its sovereignty. If two of the biggest powers in the world do not honor their agreements, I think you are holding Poland to an unjust and unfair standard on this issue. (I'm American btw).
@mafketis
If you check the news, KSA has announced that they are ending the practice of promoting extreme versions of its religion, and will be joining the rest of us in the 21st century. Of course I will believe it when I see it, but the changes have already begun to take place on the ground.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@cms
Yes, I'm a defense contractor. And thank you for such a reasoned and well tempered response, I genuinely appreciate it, and think we have found common ground. I also believe that genuine refugees do deserve refuge, I do take issue with the fact that under international law (if such a thing exists), they are to seek refuge in the first safe country they reach. But alas, that isn't the reality we currently find ourselves in. Countries with genuine conflicts do qualify, but certainly these economic refugees from all over Africa MUST be repatriated to their country of register.
To your previous point. Yes, we do take their money, although I work on a contract administered by the US government, so I'm not actually sure whose money I'm taking! The reality however is, that any ESSENTIAL functions in these countries are not provided by local residents. All essential functions are provided by westerners (US/UK/AUS/NZ/GER/FRA/SPA), all menial labor is then provided by Indians,Bangladeshis,Sri Lankans, & Pakistanis. To give you some perspective, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a population of 23 million, 8.6 million of them being expatriates. Bahrain has a population of 600,000, with 300,000 being expatriates. The United Arab Emirates is 70% expatriates by population, and on, and on, and on. I do not view it as taking their money however, because we function to preserve the sovereignty of these countries, and our governments (I assume you're from the US or UK) guarantee their security and territorial integrity. So really it is more of an exchange, than some sort of perverse exploitation.
@cms
Yes, I'm a defense contractor. And thank you for such a reasoned and well tempered response, I genuinely appreciate it, and think we have found common ground. I also believe that genuine refugees do deserve refuge, I do take issue with the fact that under international law (if such a thing exists), they are to seek refuge in the first safe country they reach. But alas, that isn't the reality we currently find ourselves in. Countries with genuine conflicts do qualify, but certainly these economic refugees from all over Africa MUST be repatriated to their country of register.
To your previous point. Yes, we do take their money, although I work on a contract administered by the US government, so I'm not actually sure whose money I'm taking! The reality however is, that any ESSENTIAL functions in these countries are not provided by local residents. All essential functions are provided by westerners (US/UK/AUS/NZ/GER/FRA/SPA), all menial labor is then provided by Indians,Bangladeshis,Sri Lankans, & Pakistanis. To give you some perspective, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a population of 23 million, 8.6 million of them being expatriates. Bahrain has a population of 600,000, with 300,000 being expatriates. The United Arab Emirates is 70% expatriates by population, and on, and on, and on. I do not view it as taking their money however, because we function to preserve the sovereignty of these countries, and our governments (I assume you're from the US or UK) guarantee their security and territorial integrity. So really it is more of an exchange, than some sort of perverse exploitation.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / Pro-Israel lobby to be formed in Polish parliament [29]
@Dirk diggler
He is totally oblivious to how they feel about the Goyim! Lol......Viva Serbian education and RT propaganda...
@Dirk diggler
He is totally oblivious to how they feel about the Goyim! Lol......Viva Serbian education and RT propaganda...
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / Americans try to defame Poland yet again. [93]
@NoToForeigners
Ok, just had about enough of you little man. It must infuriate you that I can travel to most countries in this world without obtaining a visa prior to arrival. It must also pain you to know that when I do decide to settle in Poland, I will make 10X the salary that you will, simply because of my passport, education, and experience. Thanks for playing little man, I will come to your country WHENEVER I PLEASE, and there's not a god damn thing you can do about it. Now, have a lovely evening getting drunk and yelling at your TV.
@NoToForeigners
Ok, just had about enough of you little man. It must infuriate you that I can travel to most countries in this world without obtaining a visa prior to arrival. It must also pain you to know that when I do decide to settle in Poland, I will make 10X the salary that you will, simply because of my passport, education, and experience. Thanks for playing little man, I will come to your country WHENEVER I PLEASE, and there's not a god damn thing you can do about it. Now, have a lovely evening getting drunk and yelling at your TV.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / Poland has accepted over a million Ukrainian refugees. Why does the EU keep telling propaganda about Poland? [304]
@Tacitus
You don't actually believe that out of 1 million Ukrainians in Poland, there are only legitimately 6,000 refugees. I don't think you're serious, I really just think you're pointing out this number to serve your agenda of forcing 7th century savages and barbarians onto Poland, so they share in the misery and degradation thats happened in the UK, France, Germany, and Belgium. Any Ukrainians currently in Poland who are from Luhansk or Donetsk oblasts in Ukraine, that left after 2014 are in fact refugees. Whether they have applied for asylum or not is a simple administrative matter, but they can rightly claim refugee status. So while all 1 million of them may not in fact be refugees, and a large portion may be economic refugees, the number of those who we would consider refugees according to U.N. standards is far greater than 6,000.
To address your second point. What you're suggesting is that Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic suffer an immense burden because one president, in one member state (Germany), acted unilaterally to set EU immigration policy by telling millions of barbarians to flood into the union. Had the European Union met during this massive migration and reached a deal, maybe you'd have an argument, but as it stands, Germany acted alone and caused this crisis, and now they are asking the rest of the member states to suffer for their F-up.
@Tacitus
You don't actually believe that out of 1 million Ukrainians in Poland, there are only legitimately 6,000 refugees. I don't think you're serious, I really just think you're pointing out this number to serve your agenda of forcing 7th century savages and barbarians onto Poland, so they share in the misery and degradation thats happened in the UK, France, Germany, and Belgium. Any Ukrainians currently in Poland who are from Luhansk or Donetsk oblasts in Ukraine, that left after 2014 are in fact refugees. Whether they have applied for asylum or not is a simple administrative matter, but they can rightly claim refugee status. So while all 1 million of them may not in fact be refugees, and a large portion may be economic refugees, the number of those who we would consider refugees according to U.N. standards is far greater than 6,000.
To address your second point. What you're suggesting is that Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic suffer an immense burden because one president, in one member state (Germany), acted unilaterally to set EU immigration policy by telling millions of barbarians to flood into the union. Had the European Union met during this massive migration and reached a deal, maybe you'd have an argument, but as it stands, Germany acted alone and caused this crisis, and now they are asking the rest of the member states to suffer for their F-up.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
UK, Ireland / Polish career criminal gets six years for rape [43]
@Harry
Another reason to end the idea of the 'free movement of people.' If the U.K. had control of its borders (and thank god it will soon again, and the Home Office will be slashing legal immigration) they would have rejected someone with a criminal record like this from entering the country. Instead, the EU policy of open movement has resulted in irreparable harm to one U.K. citizen. A nation-states first and foremost duty, and in fact ONLY duty, is to protect CITIZENS of that nation-state.
@Harry
Another reason to end the idea of the 'free movement of people.' If the U.K. had control of its borders (and thank god it will soon again, and the Home Office will be slashing legal immigration) they would have rejected someone with a criminal record like this from entering the country. Instead, the EU policy of open movement has resulted in irreparable harm to one U.K. citizen. A nation-states first and foremost duty, and in fact ONLY duty, is to protect CITIZENS of that nation-state.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
UK, Ireland / Polish career criminal gets six years for rape [43]
@Harry
I want nation-states to assert their sovereignty and control who comes into their borders.
@RubasznyRumcajs
We were discussing a Pole who committed a crime in the U.K. Whether they have control over non-EU citizens isn't germane to the topic.
Rubas, if that is in fact true (I'm American, so can't claim to be an expert in your countries domestic policy affairs), why on earth would the home office allow someone with a criminal record like that persons to enter the United Kingdom and then to reside there? Canada will not even allow American citizens who have been convicted of 1 offense of driving under the influence to enter the country.
In any case, I am rooting for your country, and pray that all the details of the leaked Home Office memo are indeed true. The gravy train is over, and no longer will one barbarian from the commonwealth be able to get an underpaid job (I believe 18,600GBP/year) and bring over 10 of his family members to spread their hateful 7th century ideology.
@Harry
I want nation-states to assert their sovereignty and control who comes into their borders.
@RubasznyRumcajs
We were discussing a Pole who committed a crime in the U.K. Whether they have control over non-EU citizens isn't germane to the topic.
Rubas, if that is in fact true (I'm American, so can't claim to be an expert in your countries domestic policy affairs), why on earth would the home office allow someone with a criminal record like that persons to enter the United Kingdom and then to reside there? Canada will not even allow American citizens who have been convicted of 1 offense of driving under the influence to enter the country.
In any case, I am rooting for your country, and pray that all the details of the leaked Home Office memo are indeed true. The gravy train is over, and no longer will one barbarian from the commonwealth be able to get an underpaid job (I believe 18,600GBP/year) and bring over 10 of his family members to spread their hateful 7th century ideology.
SigSauer
25 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@mafketis
No Mafketis, these people LOATHE the idea of the nation-state, and want to destroy it. They don't believe that states exist to serve their CITIZENS first. They have open contempt for the idea of national sovereignty, and to them 'patriotism' is a f***ing punchline to a joke.
@mafketis
No Mafketis, these people LOATHE the idea of the nation-state, and want to destroy it. They don't believe that states exist to serve their CITIZENS first. They have open contempt for the idea of national sovereignty, and to them 'patriotism' is a f***ing punchline to a joke.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Tacitus
Alright I'd really like it if we can dispense with the veiled nonsense here. Can you just tell me what your agenda is? What country are you from? and what are your politics?
I'm asking this because I really need to wrap my head around this position. It's hard for me to understand how someone can hold such disdain for their own people. How can you value other people over your own fellow countrymen and citizens? Look, the deal may have been agreed upon initially, but the point is that we've seen the results of accepting these people in Sweden, in Germany, in France, and now other countries have had a prizm into the future and are saying, ok we made that deal, but we are not going to put our citizens in danger. If your only argument to the contrary is "well you agreed to it!," you're going to have to come with a much stronger argument I think to convince anyone they should commit fratricide on their own country. Excuse me if I am wrong in my assumptions, but your posts sound like you are cheerleading the destruction of your own culture. Why in gods name would you ever take such a position? I'm not being rude, I genuinely want to understand why someone holds these views.
@Lyzko
Really? I mean I'll give you a ton of credit for having the balls to say something like. You admit they're difficult populations and then just kind of throw your hands up in the air and say "well they're difficult!"... The point is WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THEM! Nations exist to protect CITIZENS first and foremost!!!
This is similar to the kind of things I see back in the U.S. when illegal immigrants get on CNN and start critiquing US immigration policy. These are people who HAVE NO RIGHTS under our US constitution. As an illegal immigrant you DONT GET A SAY IN OUR POLITICS, THAT IS ONLY FOR CITIZENS! The gaul it would take for me to go to a foreign country and then start MEDDLING in their politics and advocating for change to benefit MY position as a CRIMINAL. In any SANE non-cucked country, I would be deported before the damn segment ended.
@Tacitus
Alright I'd really like it if we can dispense with the veiled nonsense here. Can you just tell me what your agenda is? What country are you from? and what are your politics?
I'm asking this because I really need to wrap my head around this position. It's hard for me to understand how someone can hold such disdain for their own people. How can you value other people over your own fellow countrymen and citizens? Look, the deal may have been agreed upon initially, but the point is that we've seen the results of accepting these people in Sweden, in Germany, in France, and now other countries have had a prizm into the future and are saying, ok we made that deal, but we are not going to put our citizens in danger. If your only argument to the contrary is "well you agreed to it!," you're going to have to come with a much stronger argument I think to convince anyone they should commit fratricide on their own country. Excuse me if I am wrong in my assumptions, but your posts sound like you are cheerleading the destruction of your own culture. Why in gods name would you ever take such a position? I'm not being rude, I genuinely want to understand why someone holds these views.
@Lyzko
Really? I mean I'll give you a ton of credit for having the balls to say something like. You admit they're difficult populations and then just kind of throw your hands up in the air and say "well they're difficult!"... The point is WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THEM! Nations exist to protect CITIZENS first and foremost!!!
This is similar to the kind of things I see back in the U.S. when illegal immigrants get on CNN and start critiquing US immigration policy. These are people who HAVE NO RIGHTS under our US constitution. As an illegal immigrant you DONT GET A SAY IN OUR POLITICS, THAT IS ONLY FOR CITIZENS! The gaul it would take for me to go to a foreign country and then start MEDDLING in their politics and advocating for change to benefit MY position as a CRIMINAL. In any SANE non-cucked country, I would be deported before the damn segment ended.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / Austria's swing to the far right on Poland? [214]
@Atch
I'm American, living in the Middle East, and previously lived in Ukraine 2014-16.
@Tacitus
I want to respond to each of you when I have more time. I just want to say how disappointed I am to hear BOTH of you go straight to the FALSE EQUIVALENCY and point out a mass shooting in America. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Christian atrocities from 600 years ago and draw more false parallels between the two. You need to understand, it does not reduce your virtue or feel-good points to simply point out these particular cultures and their ideology have a REAL problem with violence and sexual assault, the problem often is the left conflates this observation and says that we said its "ALL." No one has ever said its ALL, but it is certainly an unhealthy number, whether its 25% or 80%, its far too much.
You are both SO DISMISSIVE about the deaths and rapes that have occurred in Europe, and that is my problem with your sentiment, that you have such a great deal of sympathy for these people from cultures which aren't yours, but you seemingly have no sympathy for the people whose lives have been irrevocably changed by these savages.
I'll write a more detailed point by point reply later on.
@Atch
I'm American, living in the Middle East, and previously lived in Ukraine 2014-16.
@Tacitus
I want to respond to each of you when I have more time. I just want to say how disappointed I am to hear BOTH of you go straight to the FALSE EQUIVALENCY and point out a mass shooting in America. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Christian atrocities from 600 years ago and draw more false parallels between the two. You need to understand, it does not reduce your virtue or feel-good points to simply point out these particular cultures and their ideology have a REAL problem with violence and sexual assault, the problem often is the left conflates this observation and says that we said its "ALL." No one has ever said its ALL, but it is certainly an unhealthy number, whether its 25% or 80%, its far too much.
You are both SO DISMISSIVE about the deaths and rapes that have occurred in Europe, and that is my problem with your sentiment, that you have such a great deal of sympathy for these people from cultures which aren't yours, but you seemingly have no sympathy for the people whose lives have been irrevocably changed by these savages.
I'll write a more detailed point by point reply later on.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Atch
You'd have been the first Irish person I met that was politically correct if you were! Lol... neither here nor there, but an Irish soldier I worked with from Galway had some crazy ideas about.......everything, such as the Jews and CIA created AIDS, and the Jew bankers were responsible for all of Irelands ills.
Anyway. I responded by telling you where I'm from because you literally said "i dont know where you're from."
Moving on. This isn't really some hypothetical situation. I would rather challenge you to point to one example inside the EU where LARGE numbers of refugees/migrants from North Africa&M.E. where a barbaric and savage culture exists, that has effectively integrated into any of our European societies and espoused liberal values?
You know its rather prophetic really, kind of follows the same path as their book. At first, when their numbers are small, they play that victim card as hard as they can, they are victims, everyone is an islamophobe or xenophobe. And in the UK's unending quest to appear tolerant, I could imagine a situation where two guys are about to toss a gay off a rooftop, an officer rolls up, and he says Ohh I'm sorry I have to respect your religion, carry on mates!
The thing is, once they reach a sufficient number, they are no longer victimized refugees and migrants. They start demanding their own courts, they start demanding YOU the HOST NATION, accommodate THEM!
We are as they say, at an impasse. We will defend western liberal values, we will defend what it means to be EUROPEAN. Here is a hint, no one named Sadiq Khan is a Briton. Whatever nonsense is scribbled in his passport is inconsequential to me, he will never be British.
@Atch
You'd have been the first Irish person I met that was politically correct if you were! Lol... neither here nor there, but an Irish soldier I worked with from Galway had some crazy ideas about.......everything, such as the Jews and CIA created AIDS, and the Jew bankers were responsible for all of Irelands ills.
Anyway. I responded by telling you where I'm from because you literally said "i dont know where you're from."
Moving on. This isn't really some hypothetical situation. I would rather challenge you to point to one example inside the EU where LARGE numbers of refugees/migrants from North Africa&M.E. where a barbaric and savage culture exists, that has effectively integrated into any of our European societies and espoused liberal values?
You know its rather prophetic really, kind of follows the same path as their book. At first, when their numbers are small, they play that victim card as hard as they can, they are victims, everyone is an islamophobe or xenophobe. And in the UK's unending quest to appear tolerant, I could imagine a situation where two guys are about to toss a gay off a rooftop, an officer rolls up, and he says Ohh I'm sorry I have to respect your religion, carry on mates!
The thing is, once they reach a sufficient number, they are no longer victimized refugees and migrants. They start demanding their own courts, they start demanding YOU the HOST NATION, accommodate THEM!
We are as they say, at an impasse. We will defend western liberal values, we will defend what it means to be EUROPEAN. Here is a hint, no one named Sadiq Khan is a Briton. Whatever nonsense is scribbled in his passport is inconsequential to me, he will never be British.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Atch
Ok, there may be no harm in having one. However, the Polish people have collectively decided that they don't want one, even if there is no harm. So I don't understand why you have an axe to grind on this with Poland? Do you feel somehow superior to Poles, and therefore just in dictating to them their own domestic policies? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, because using the supranational EU as an example is a very poor argument. The Brits had a referendum on the EU, and you see how that turned out. Nigel Farage is one of the best politicians of our time, he speaks truth to power, and he is right that if they do not change their course, the UK will not be the last to leave!
@Atch
Ok, there may be no harm in having one. However, the Polish people have collectively decided that they don't want one, even if there is no harm. So I don't understand why you have an axe to grind on this with Poland? Do you feel somehow superior to Poles, and therefore just in dictating to them their own domestic policies? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, because using the supranational EU as an example is a very poor argument. The Brits had a referendum on the EU, and you see how that turned out. Nigel Farage is one of the best politicians of our time, he speaks truth to power, and he is right that if they do not change their course, the UK will not be the last to leave!
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@cms
So when I become a Polish citizen, I can say that I'm Polish now? Of course not, I will always be American of Portuguese decent. I will never be Polish, despite being a passport holder.
@cms
So when I become a Polish citizen, I can say that I'm Polish now? Of course not, I will always be American of Portuguese decent. I will never be Polish, despite being a passport holder.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Atch
Right, they are doing what countries do, looking out for their own interests first, before the interests of any supranational organization they are a member in. Hence why the EU as a political union is a failure, as a common economic market I think it's a great idea. International relations is predicated upon chaos, nations do what they can get away with, and they weight the benefits versus the consequences, so we will see.
Second point. What evidence do you have that Poles are making their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics? It sounds like you are making conclusions based on anecdotes or what you see on TV or perceive. Have you done a nationwide poll of Poles to determine how they are making their decisions? No, of course you haven't. In fact, saying that Poles are making their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics, is a very simple way to condescend to the Poles and basically tell them they don't know what they are talking about, but your enlightened friends on the left do. It is a tired argument, and it is honestly so offensive to an electorate to marginalize their opinions and self-determination. Don't miss an opportunity to virtue signal I suppose.
Please again. Where is your EVIDENCE they are making decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics? EVIDENCE. You made the point, now you better support it with facts. We will all be waiting.
@Atch
Right, they are doing what countries do, looking out for their own interests first, before the interests of any supranational organization they are a member in. Hence why the EU as a political union is a failure, as a common economic market I think it's a great idea. International relations is predicated upon chaos, nations do what they can get away with, and they weight the benefits versus the consequences, so we will see.
Second point. What evidence do you have that Poles are making their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics? It sounds like you are making conclusions based on anecdotes or what you see on TV or perceive. Have you done a nationwide poll of Poles to determine how they are making their decisions? No, of course you haven't. In fact, saying that Poles are making their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics, is a very simple way to condescend to the Poles and basically tell them they don't know what they are talking about, but your enlightened friends on the left do. It is a tired argument, and it is honestly so offensive to an electorate to marginalize their opinions and self-determination. Don't miss an opportunity to virtue signal I suppose.
Please again. Where is your EVIDENCE they are making decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics? EVIDENCE. You made the point, now you better support it with facts. We will all be waiting.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
UK, Ireland / Polish career criminal gets six years for rape [43]
@Chemikiem
I did caveat my statement by saying I am not entirely familiar with domestic UK policy. I'd like to know more, and of course am cheering them on to cut legal immigration in half, and stop allowing 3rd world savages to bring their entire family of barbarians to reside in the UK. Hopefully my country will follow suit, as I heard we plan to cut legal immigration in half, and end the endless train of illegal criminals flooding across our borders at rate of 1,500 per month.
@Chemikiem
I did caveat my statement by saying I am not entirely familiar with domestic UK policy. I'd like to know more, and of course am cheering them on to cut legal immigration in half, and stop allowing 3rd world savages to bring their entire family of barbarians to reside in the UK. Hopefully my country will follow suit, as I heard we plan to cut legal immigration in half, and end the endless train of illegal criminals flooding across our borders at rate of 1,500 per month.
SigSauer
26 Oct 2017
News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
@Chemikiem
PiS via their elected representatives, of the people. Logic would conclude that at least a sizable portion of Poles agree with their policy, lest they be voted out. That is a pretty standard conclusion in most representative democracies.
I didn't make a leap to say WHY they didn't want refugees, just that they don't, as evidenced by policy decisions. I would love to hear any evidence to the contrary about how Poles have made their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics. I'll be waiting for that evidence, apparently Atch can read minds and is insinuating that Poles are all stupid low information voters who don't know whats good for them, but no worries, unelected Ministers of European Parliament do, so everything will be ok.
@Chemikiem
PiS via their elected representatives, of the people. Logic would conclude that at least a sizable portion of Poles agree with their policy, lest they be voted out. That is a pretty standard conclusion in most representative democracies.
I didn't make a leap to say WHY they didn't want refugees, just that they don't, as evidenced by policy decisions. I would love to hear any evidence to the contrary about how Poles have made their decisions based on fear mongering and scare tactics. I'll be waiting for that evidence, apparently Atch can read minds and is insinuating that Poles are all stupid low information voters who don't know whats good for them, but no worries, unelected Ministers of European Parliament do, so everything will be ok.