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Pro-Israel lobby to be formed in Polish parliament


TheOther 5 | 3,716
4 Jun 2015  #1
Thought this was interesting:

The Israel Allies Foundation will launch its 32nd Israel Allies Caucus around the world when its representatives and those of the World Jewish Congress meet with Jewish and Christian leaders in Poland to mobilize support for Israel through faith-based diplomacy. The new Polish Parliamentary Israel Allies Caucus hopes to garner support for the State of Israel through their shared Judeo-Christian values.
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The delegation was set to meet in Warsaw with high ranking Polish politicians, including MP Jan Dziedziczak, who will chair the new caucus. MPs from both the opposition and coalition parties joined MP Dziedziczak to further the relationship between Poland and the State of Israel.

jpost.com/Diaspora/Pro-Israel-lobby-to-be-formed-in-Polish-parliament-404629
R.U.R.
5 Jun 2015  #2
No body wanna post a reply to your message as I can see but I'll make an attempt just to please you, friend.

The first remarkable thing that should be noted here, is the fact that they dared to open their mouths to make this great public statement only after the presidential election. They had enough wisdom to suppose that such a statement made before the election could have negative effects

on their candidate . We can only state that a remarkable Jewish carefulness was demonstrated.

By the way, In the Polish parliament there already exist Ukrainian, Lithuanian and German lobby (groups).
Probably a pro Russian lobby is also desirable as a counterweight to preserve the political balance.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,467
5 Jun 2015  #3
The Other: Polish Parliamentary Israel Allies Caucus

It shows one thing -- the Israelis are on the ball. Every nation, global corporation and other interest group has lobbies strategically positioned where they can influence lawmakers. I wonder where Poland has such lobbyists. Again, I repeat for the zillionth time -- Poles should follow the Jewish example in terms of intra-ethnic moral and practical solidarity rather than tearing each other down, of which the Polish-Polish war has been a prime example.

From a purely ethical standpoint, this is legalised corruption. A lawmaker is lavishly wined and dined, may get various gifts and gratuities on the side, the least toxic of which would be generous donations to his favourite charity, with maybe a free holiday in Tahiti for himself and his family thrown into the bargain -- in the hope that he will vote the way the lobbyist wants. But the world is not guided all that much by ethical considerations.
OP TheOther 5 | 3,716
5 Jun 2015  #4
In the Polish parliament there already exist Ukrainian, Lithuanian and German lobby (groups).

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you have some links so that I can read up on it? Thanks.

From a purely ethical standpoint, this is legalised corruption.

That's what I thought, too - especially since I know how much AIPAC influences politics here in the US.'

What also surprised me is the reference to "shared Judeo-Christian values". Relations between the RCC and Judaism haven't been particularly good for a very, very long time. How strong are traditionalist catholics in Poland, do you guys know?
teargas - | 72
5 Jun 2015  #5
From a purely ethical standpoint, this is legalised corruption.

Yes. And the leader of the group is from PiS.

What a surprise.
Crow 141 | 7,546
5 Jun 2015  #6
sure. All would like to take part in control of Poland. Problem is that when Slavs rising their head, all others joins efforts against Slavs. Poland and Poles as Slavs aren`t excluded from this general rule.
R.U.R.
6 Jun 2015  #7
forumemjot.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/jan-dziedziczak-w-sejmie-nie-powstanie-grupa-lobbujaca-na-rzecz-izraela-komentarz-do-dementi/

Dziedziczak : Pro-Israel lobby will not be formed in Polish parliament

So consider it (Jerusalem Post Article) a Jewish joke for the present
jon357 63 | 14,341
6 Jun 2015  #8
Quite a lot of pro-Israel feeling here - Jan Paweł II was a supporter of Israel (and hated anti-Semitism) which has had some effect.
OP TheOther 5 | 3,716
6 Jun 2015  #9
Quite a lot of pro-Israel feeling here

Do you think it's okay that a foreign nation - Israel or any other - manipulates domestic politics of another country in such a way?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
6 Jun 2015  #10
On May 13th the Vatican recognized the state of Palestine. Good for Roman-Catholicism and bad for the racist Zionist scum that think they can dispossess the Palestinian people and keep them stateless. Polish Christians are overwhelmingly Roman-Catholic. Recognizing the human rights of Palestinians is the Christian thing to do. Supporting the racist state of Israel is wrong.
jon357 63 | 14,341
6 Jun 2015  #11
Do you think it's okay that a foreign nation - Israel or any other - manipulates domestic politics of another country in such a way?

Any organisation, state, group etc has the right to lobby politicians. Israel is not the only country to retain lobbyists and no harm at all for one country to want to build up trading and cultural links with another.

In this case especially, the two countries have very deep links. Although time and the grim reaper is reducing the number of Israelis who were born in Poland, many families there have their roots in Poland.

And Jan Paweł II's love for Israel and the Jewish people has left its mark.
OP TheOther 5 | 3,716
6 Jun 2015  #12
Any organisation, state, group etc has the right to lobby politicians.

Local groups and organizations? Yes. Foreign nations buying politicians? No! I don't know how familiar you are with AIPAC, but if you'd watch them openly corrupting politicians in D.C. you would start questioning the democratic foundation of the political system in the US as well.
jon357 63 | 14,341
7 Jun 2015  #13
I'm not sure that lobbying for economic and cultural reasons is the same as buying politicians at all. If there are bribes or other secret payments then yes, there's a problem. If it's employing lobbyists to promote, say, exports or investment then it's fairly normal.
R.U.R.
8 Jun 2015  #14
Jon357 :
Quite a lot of pro-Israel feeling here - Jan Paweł II was a supporter of Israel (and hated anti-Semitism)

The Pope is of great authority to us, of course.
But.
The term anti-Semitic is vague and can be interpreted in a hundred ways, I can only guess what interpretation was meant by the Pope. IMHO the Jews have a tendency to regard any criticism as an anti-Jewish act. (oy! vey! )

We, goys, probably have the right to protect themselves from some Jewish inventions like Communism and the Frankfurt School and their neo-Marxist ideas, call it anti-Semitism, if you like, I do not mind.
jon357 63 | 14,341
8 Jun 2015  #15
IMHO the Jews have a tendency to regard any criticism as an anti-Jewish act. (oy! vey! )

Given centuries of pogroms followed by the holocaust, and even those people who make strange comments online like "oy vey (not a Hebrew phrase and rarely used today - "oy vavoy" is better) who could possibly blame them.

ewish inventions like Communism and the Frankfurt School

All of which have far wider appeal than within the community you associate them with and indeed have notable proponents who are Poles. When Israel (or any other counry except perhaps Cuba, and even then..) lobby a government, the very capitalistic concept of international trade and development is doubtless closer to their intentions.
R.U.R
9 Jun 2015  #16
Jon357 :
All of which have far wider appeal than within the community you associate them with and indeed have notable proponents who are Poles .

No surprise, no surprise here, Jon, taking into account the Diaspora's geographic dispersion .
Nevertheless we can easily distinguish and recognize something that can be identified as a basis or a foundation. Let's have a closer look at this

phenomenon :

HENRYK CIMEK
JEWS IN THE POLISH COMMUNIST MOVEMENT. See p. 55-56 (available on line)
politologia.univ.rzeszow.pl/.../Henryk_Ci..

Analyzing the national composition of KPP (polish communist party) and KZMP (Young Communist League of Poland ), one could reach the conclusion that membership of those groupings consisted mainly of national minorities, first of all of the Jews, and to a lesser extent of the Belarusians and the Ukrainians. The share of Poles in KPP and KZMP oscillated around 30%, whereas their share in the population of the II Polish Republic was about 69%

Now it's about the appeal mentioned above by you, we can regard this KPP, taking into account the share of Jews, as a Jewish-dominated

organization that disseminated alien propaganda that didn't really appeal to the locals, especially to Poles.

And the same source (that confirms other numerous sources ):

The Jewish communists - not all of them, which is to be stressed - cherished, however, just as the Ukrainian communists, separatist and nationalist tendencies in spite of the slogans emphasizing interests of the international proletariat

Well, jewish nationalist tendencies even .... even in an international movement and organization such as communist party. Even don't know what to think about those who weren't in the International movement .

I do not want to elaborate on the subject of Russia here, so just several links for you :

davidduke.com/solzhenitsyn-the-incredible-disappearing-man/

he points out that Churchill's famous article called Zionism vs. Communism was entirely correct in pointing out that, as Churchill said in the article, the Jews had indeed took over Russia through their handmaiden of the Communist Party. Churchill describes the Jews and their terror as having "gripped the Russian people by their hair of their heads and become the undisputed masters of this enormous empire."

And again, we see a Jewish-dominated organization that disseminated alien propaganda that didn't really appeal to the locals

By the way According to the data provided by the Russian Political Police before the Russian Revolution Jews constituted more that 50% of
the well known party.

There were similar events during the so called German Revolution 1918, Hungarian Soviet Republic 1919.

Needless to say, members of the Frankfurt School were both Marxist and Jewish.
By the way, the Frankfurt school never criticized or even described Jewish group identity or Jewish culture

And again, we see a Jewish organization that disseminated alien propaganda that didn't really appeal to the locals

An now, Jony, make an attempt to find something in common among these countries and events. Do not forget.to share your findings with us.

Please stick to the topic about Polish Parliament lobby

Well, this lobbying provokes controvercy and it probably is desirable to know why, which requires some knowledge of the background ( = the situation or past events that explain why something happens in the way that it does)
jon357 63 | 14,341
9 Jun 2015  #17
Except that not one word you posted gives any info about the background. The fact that the country involved is majority Jewish (as well as your views about Jewish people that you frequently expound here) has no relevance whatsoever.

Many countries use lobbyists to promote trade, development and cultural links, and everything here is entirely transparent and legal.
R.U.R.
9 Jun 2015  #18
What prevents to create Jewish lobby in Poland then ?
ender 5 | 398
12 Jun 2015  #19
What's the point? ¾ of PM are Jewish or atheist (Jewish claiming being atheist)
50%polish
13 Jun 2015  #20
Look up AIPAC in the USA, and when you find out the power it has over a politician to win or lose, control its vote, smear its name, set it up for scandal, to write policy through think tanks and endorsement outside the normal process of law, you understand it better. they influence foreign policy as well.

Cynthia McKinney tells the story well.

Rev. 3:9
yehudi 1 | 432
23 Jun 2015  #21
We, goys, probably have the right to protect themselves from some Jewish inventions like Communism and the Frankfurt School and their neo-Marxist ideas, call it anti-Semitism, if you like, I do not mind.

I don't call that anti-semitism. I call it stupidity.
What's your point here? Do you think that a pro-Israel lobby in Poland would be aiming to bring communism to Poland? Are you that clueless about history? Just as a point of information: Israel was never a communist country. Poland was. Israel's communist party was tiny and had to join together with an Arab anti-zionist party to get enough votes to be in the Knesset. In Poland, in contrast, the communist party ruled. Communism is and always has been anti-Israel.
Crow 141 | 7,546
30 Sep 2016  #22
Well, seams that Israel have more respect for Polish interests then Poland`s NATO and EU partners.

Spot this >

"I'll say it very clearly - Israel doesn't recognize Kosovo"

Source: Tanjug Friday, September 30, 2016 | 10:45
b92/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=09&dd=30&nav_id=99354

"I'll say it very clearly, our position has not changed, and that is the non-recognition of Kosovo," said Fisher-Kamm ...... Serbia and Israel ....... idea was to turn the currently "excellent relations" into "concrete steps that will benefit both countries."

"The economy is in the first place......

Crow 141 | 7,546
28 Jun 2017  #23
Any info on how function that pro-Israel lobby formed in Polish parliament? What are moves of that lobby, their suggestions to Polish parliament?
Crow 141 | 7,546
24 Oct 2017  #24
Slavs, Poles included, should accept hand offered by Jews. Jews have much more honesty then western Europeans. After all, they have bravery to accept Slavs as equal.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,266
25 Oct 2017  #25
After all, they have bravery to accept Slavs as equal.

LOL. Oh boy Crow, you must not be familiar with the Talmud.
SigSauer 4 | 443
25 Oct 2017  #26
@Dirk diggler
He is totally oblivious to how they feel about the Goyim! Lol......Viva Serbian education and RT propaganda...
Crow 141 | 7,546
25 Oct 2017  #27
I don`t know for you people but, I would hold to very simple facts. That is, did you ever heard that any western European, any Anglo, Franco or Germanic leader openly admits and speak about Slavic antiquity? For sure, you never heard that. But see, that is very important. Always is important to be aware of its own place in history and then future becoming more clearer. So, why minimize Slavic contribution to global civilization? Really, why? Why publicly promote utter lie about late arrival of Slavs in Europe? To whom, to which politics serve these lies?

You see, Israel acknowledged Slavic antique history. PM of Israel Netanyahu speaks publicly of it. So, as a decent person, my respect to him and to Israeli people. There were misunderstandings in history but, we Serbs won`t spit on offered hand.
Crow 141 | 7,546
25 Oct 2017  #28
LOL. Oh boy Crow, you must not be familiar with the Talmud.

Why would I care for Talmud. Back in era of slavery, when Slavs were hunted, bearers of Bible, Koran and Talmud equally hurried in their dirty business. All they committed crimes on Svetovid and children of Slavia (ie Sarmatia).

We can`t forget past, but, if hand is offered in reconciliation, if our past isn`t denied, at least, we can think.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,266
25 Oct 2017  #29
@Crow

By reconciliation do you mean statements such as 'goyim were born only to serve us without that they have no place in the world' by the same chief rabbi of israel that netanyahu buddied with?

I only can hope for the day that poles are able to get away with half of the shyt Zionists say and do.

There is no hand offered to any slavs that's purely for reconciliation or for slavs benefit. The only hand offered to Slavs were Jewish slavs and even that was simply a means to an end. In the late 60s and 70s the Soviets allowed Jews to leave after the war with israel due to pressure from American Zionist groups that were concerned about antisemitism in USSR. The Soviets wisely emptied their jails of hardcore Jewish criminals (and non jewish) along with some Soviet spies mixed in with legit Jewish families. These same criminals have decades long careers in organized crime and who now live in israel bc the state refuses to extrade them for all the things they've done in us, Brazil, australia, all over the world.

Same as with the jews still in europe. Israel only wants to help jewish slavs - mostly ukranian jews along w french, german, hungarian jews namely to move them into subsidized housing in occupied Palestine to help with the governments campaign of gradual ethnic cleansing of the west bank, with americas financial assistance. And yet the Zionist dominated msm continues to paint the Palestinians as the wrongdoers for not allowing occupiers to live in peace.


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