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Polish career criminal gets six years for rape


Harry
25 Oct 2017 #1
I'm hugely disappointed with the British courts over this. A Polish man who has a record as long as your arm and features attempted murder and attempted aggravated blackmail moved to the UK. While there he walked into a woman's house, punched her in the face 15 times and raped her in her own bed. After being convicted he got a sentence of six years, meaning if he keeps his nose clean inside he'll be out in three years. Sickening.

The only good news for us is that he isn't going to be deported after finishing his sentence.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5011461/Criminal-bodybuilder-raped-woman-coming-UK.html
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Oct 2017 #2
Someone likes right wing dailymail all of the sudden :-))))
OP Harry
25 Oct 2017 #3
dailymail

I'm sorry, how thoughtless of me, here's a Polish language source: nczas.com/wiadomosci/europa/polski-recydywista-skazany-za-brutalne-pobicie-i-gwalt-w-wielkiej-brytanii-ten-bandyta-jest-znany-w-calej-europie

[Summary translation: article is based on the English source provided above.]
DominicB - | 2,709
25 Oct 2017 #4
@G (undercover)

My sentiments exactly.
SigSauer 4 | 413
25 Oct 2017 #5
@Harry

Another reason to end the idea of the 'free movement of people.' If the U.K. had control of its borders (and thank god it will soon again, and the Home Office will be slashing legal immigration) they would have rejected someone with a criminal record like this from entering the country. Instead, the EU policy of open movement has resulted in irreparable harm to one U.K. citizen. A nation-states first and foremost duty, and in fact ONLY duty, is to protect CITIZENS of that nation-state.
OP Harry
25 Oct 2017 #7
Another reason to end the idea of the 'free movement of people.'

You're thinking about this issue the wrong way round: you want scum like that in Poland or other EU Member States? I certainly don't want them here and I don't want to have to pay for them to be locked up when they finally get caught. One of the main reasons crime in Poland has fallen so much over the last 13 years is that we exported a lot of our scum.
idem - | 135
25 Oct 2017 #8
One of the main reasons crime in Poland has fallen so much over the last 13 years is that we exported a lot of our scum.

Ha,ha Hary but you are not polish and you sound like completely settled in Poland?

I think 6 years is not long enough sentence....but again how much got this bloke his brother and wife for torture an killing baby P- not much so.....****** liberal courts again.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 488
25 Oct 2017 #9
If the U.K. had control of its borders (and thank god it will soon again, and the Home Office will be slashing legal immigration)

you, my dear, are delusional.
UK always had a total control over non-EU citizens- yet we cannot even do that (i.e. control them).
claims that "we will finally control our borders" are utterly idiotic- where will the UKBA (or however they are called now) recruit its officers? and when?
SigSauer 4 | 413
25 Oct 2017 #10
@Harry

I want nation-states to assert their sovereignty and control who comes into their borders.

@RubasznyRumcajs

We were discussing a Pole who committed a crime in the U.K. Whether they have control over non-EU citizens isn't germane to the topic.

Rubas, if that is in fact true (I'm American, so can't claim to be an expert in your countries domestic policy affairs), why on earth would the home office allow someone with a criminal record like that persons to enter the United Kingdom and then to reside there? Canada will not even allow American citizens who have been convicted of 1 offense of driving under the influence to enter the country.

In any case, I am rooting for your country, and pray that all the details of the leaked Home Office memo are indeed true. The gravy train is over, and no longer will one barbarian from the commonwealth be able to get an underpaid job (I believe 18,600GBP/year) and bring over 10 of his family members to spread their hateful 7th century ideology.
Wulkan - | 3,251
25 Oct 2017 #11
nczas.com/wiadomosci/europa/polski-recydywista-skazany-za-brutalne-pobicie-i-gwalt-w-wielkiej-brytanii-ten-bandyta-jest-znany-w-calej-europie

Summary translation in the right wing dailymail:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5011461/Criminal-bodybuilder-raped-woman-coming-UK.html

mafketis 24 | 8,870
25 Oct 2017 #12
it's only a terrible, unreliable newspaper when it reports things Harry doesn't like!

uh uh oooohhhhhh It's maaaagick!
Ironside 49 | 10,626
25 Oct 2017 #13
If the U.K. had control of its borders

They do have control of it border. Nobody can just walk in without a passport, they have never been a part of the Schengen agreement (no control). Also due to natural barrier (moat) it is rather hard to just walk in.

Should be three strikes (three serious crimes) and after fourth criminal should be hanged. Wait - nowadays capital punishment is no popular in so called first world.

HARRY trolling again begs to be banned.
Chemikiem 6 | 2,333
26 Oct 2017 #14
he isn't going to be deported after finishing his sentence.

The only thing I have to say about this is that it's a shame he isn't. I don't see why anyone convicted of a serious crime should be residing in a UK prison at a cost to the British taxpayer. Deport the lot of them!

The gravy train is over, and no longer will one barbarian from the commonwealth be able to get an underpaid job (I believe 18,600GBP/year)

That was implemented in 2012 so you're a bit out of date there and as you said previously, control over non-EU citizens isn't germane to the topic.
SigSauer 4 | 413
26 Oct 2017 #15
@Chemikiem

I did caveat my statement by saying I am not entirely familiar with domestic UK policy. I'd like to know more, and of course am cheering them on to cut legal immigration in half, and stop allowing 3rd world savages to bring their entire family of barbarians to reside in the UK. Hopefully my country will follow suit, as I heard we plan to cut legal immigration in half, and end the endless train of illegal criminals flooding across our borders at rate of 1,500 per month.
ExxxptLifestyle
26 Oct 2017 #16
"Should be three strikes (three serious crimes) and after fourth criminal should be hanged. Wait - nowadays capital punishment is no popular in so called first world."

You mean how they have it in u.s., particularly in ca, when if you get in a simple bar fight or simple are effective at dighting or martial arts and the guy you fight or whom attacks you is out even for just a second you get a strike while the coward goes to his homegrown country good ole boys and laughs? thats the society you want to live with. You enjoy being punked in dive bars by cowards who have local cops on their side? Thats what America is.Try touching their courts as a polak living new to their city or driving through their counties then tslk about three strike laws for fighting such cowards and ceiminals whom their courts defend for being good ole boys against you.
jon357 63 | 15,586
26 Oct 2017 #17
UK always had a total control over non-EU citizens- yet we cannot even do that (i.e. control them).
claims that "we will finally control our borders" are utterly idiotic

Absolutely.

America

Their criminal justice system cannot in any sense be called civilised. As bad as their so-called healthcare system.

I don't see why anyone convicted of a serious crime should be residing in a UK prison at a cost to the British taxpayer

He has the option to apply for the prisoner transfer scheme if he meets the criteria, however he'd probably find a Polish prison to be far worse than a British one, not that British ones are in any sense comfortable.
G (undercover)
26 Oct 2017 #18
we exported a lot of our scum.

Too bad we also imported some.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,635
26 Oct 2017 #19
Their criminal justice system cannot in any sense be called civilised

Of course not. The US is just as corrupt as Russia - only difference is its way more bureaucratic so it has the appearance of looking all professional and civilized. The fact is if you have money and don't leave behind a whole lot of evidence you'll get away with just about anything in the US. And even if you don't there's plenty of people who commit a ton of crimes and never see a cell, including even murder - especially if they rat on someone. Recently, a teenaged girl working as a hitta for some black gang was finally prosecuted after her like 7th or 8th murder. Now its like cool to be a snitch lol there's all these hashtags on twitter like #snitching #coppedaplea and other bs

The healthcare system is pretty shoddy. You pretty much have to lie that you have symptoms and are in pain if you want even basic care. There's no such thing as preventative medicine.
jon357 63 | 15,586
27 Oct 2017 #20
If anything, the problem is in the other direction - excessively long sentences, privately owned prisons with some leech company skimming profit and elected prosecutors/judges. That and the disproportionate amount of black people in the prison system.

The rapist in question needs treatment as well as punishment - he may receive it, and as a repeat offender the priority must be breaking the cycle of offending.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
27 Oct 2017 #21
"...prosecuted after her like 7th or 8th murder. Now its like cool to be a..."
I don't understand your use of the word 'like'. Please explain.
idem - | 135
27 Oct 2017 #22
The rapist in question needs treatment as well as punishment - he may receive it.

I am very interested....what are the treatments for rapists?????????
jon357 63 | 15,586
27 Oct 2017 #23
I am very interested.

Are you? Read up on it - there's a lot of material out there, or ask someone who works in that field within the justice system. Above all, the priority is that the person does not reoffend. Prisons offer such programmes in a lot of countries including both Poland and the UK.
idem - | 135
27 Oct 2017 #24
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11372442/Sex-therapy-in-prisons-does-not-stop-rapists-reoffending-warns-expert.html
dolnoslask 6 | 3,193
27 Oct 2017 #25
Castration would work for repeat offenders, but for some reason it has not caught on, dunno why.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
27 Oct 2017 #26
I thought that the offenders themselves could request cc. As jon has pointed out, forced castration could make a dangerous criminal even more dangerous.
Atch 17 | 3,309
27 Oct 2017 #27
Castration would work for repeat offenders, but for some reason it has not caught on, dunno why.

I blame Hitler. Well maybe not quite but the whole eugenics thing which pre-dated modern genetics, lead to the quest for eliminating defects either mental or physical in humans and the horrible experiments of Mengele and others. Then you had things like lobotomising mental patients.

I knew an elderly lady years ago whose sister-in-law was homicidally violent.She never actually killed anyone but she had a pretty good stab at it, literally! Went for her husband with the Sunday roast knife. Anyway, she had a lobotomy and was as nice as pie afterwards, spent all her time anointing herself with creams and lotions and stuffing herself with chocolates. But I think it's seen as being against people's human rights these days.

However I think the rights of humans not to be murdered, maimed, raped and violated, especially children, should take precedence over the rights of sex offenders. Also I certainly think that violent repeat offenders of any kind, male or female should be forcibly sterilized as they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. What kind of home and family life can any of them offer to a child?
SigSauer 4 | 413
27 Oct 2017 #28
However I think the rights of humans not to be murdered, maimed, raped and violated, especially children, should take precedence over the rights of sex offenders.

And here is the crux of it. While it might make people feel like super-humanitarians to offer counseling, CBT, and other forms of behavior modification to these people, someone who forcibly rapes another human being is not fit to live among decent people in society. They are a threat, an existential danger, and their thinking is so far removed from normal citizens, I don't think that society should be asked to take the RISK of allowing them back into our society. Of course, I understand why we don't have the death penalty or life sentences for rapists, as some studies indicate doing so would leave little incentive for a sex offender to leave the victim alive afterwards. We know penalties do not deter people who are willing to commit such a horrendous act of violence and depravity, so I'm not sure where the line is for punishment, but certainly upward of 20 years is warranted in every single case. It is a cruel joke of the American justice system in particular that someone can be given 55 years for a plant, or for ingesting a substance into their OWN bodies, yet someone who commits a forcible felony can get a 3-10 year indeterminate sentence, often out in under 6.
jon357 63 | 15,586
27 Oct 2017 #29
Castration would work for repeat offenders, but for some reason it has not caught on, dunno why.

Apart from being inhumane, it doesn't work. There's some evidence that it makes sadists worse.

While it might make people feel like super-humanitarians to offer counseling, CBT, and other forms of behavior modification to these people

It isn't about how people feel, it's about preventing re-offending. There are simply too many repeat offenders, and the light sentences for rape that are given in some countries (Poland gives noticeably lighter sentences than the UK) do not help this.

As for behaviour modification in gaol, in a civilised society, the purpose of the justice system is threefold: deterrence, punishment and rehabilitation. Stiff penalties aren't a deterrent (the US has an incredibly high murder rate despite the death penalty) and long sentences are expensive and give little hope or motivation for rhe offender to rehabilitate.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
27 Oct 2017 #30
The UK dropped the punishment element years ago. I'm not being facetious, btw. The Home Office line is that deprivation of liberty is punishment enough. I don't recall the year but it was a philosophical sea change in policy.


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