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Americans try to defame Poland yet again.



NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #1

After many cases of "Polish Death Camps" and blatant lies about Poland we have to deal with another one from dumb Americans.

General Director of Anti-Defamation(ROFL) League, Jonathan Greenblatt in his comment on Donald Trump's statement about the Holocaust where the new President didn't mention Jews said that Poland among other nations (Russia, Iran and Hungary) specifically refuse to acknowledge Hitler's attempt to exterminate Jews, "opting instead to talk about generic suffering rather than recognizing this catastrophic incident for what is(sic) was: the intended genocide of the Jewish people"

Poland had acknowledged the fact that German Nazis tried to exterminate Jews long before the word "Holocaust" was even invented. Polish government-in-exile as soon as in 1942 alarmed the United Nations about Nazis deliberately exterminating Polish Jews in death camps. Nobody knew anything about it before.

What a mendacious nation the USA is...

Source.
edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/white-house-holocaust-memorial-day/index.html


Crnogorac3 1 | 239    
1 Feb 2017  #2

Americans try to defame Poland yet again.



NTF this is nothing new, there has been an orchestrated campaign against Poland with these false insinuations especially in the media and the press, trying to declare them as Polish Concentration Camps by these manipulators of the human mind - so-called "Americans" for some time now. You can be sure that this is no coincidence.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #3

@Crnogorac3
I know. That's why I loathe them with passion.
Atch 12 | 1,746    
1 Feb 2017  #4

in 1942 alarmed the United Nations

The United Nations didn't exist in 1942.
Atch 12 | 1,746    
1 Feb 2017  #5

The information about the death camps reached the Allies from a number of sources throughout 1942. A few of these sources were Jews in Poland and one of the most significant was the eyewitness accounts of 69 Polish Jews who were sent to Palestine as part of a prisoner exchange between Germany and Britain. The first officially acknowledged 'holocaust alert' if you want to call it that came from a prominent Jew in Switzerland who got the information from a German business man Eduard Schulte.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
1 Feb 2017  #6

Helas, it seems Jonathan Greenblatt doesn't check his sources, but neither does NoToForeigners. And then the whole world starts to blame the Americans for everything ...

The first officially acknowledged 'holocaust alert' if you want to call it that came from a prominent Jew in Switzerland

How does Jan Karski fit into that?
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #7

@Ziemowit
You're wrong.

"Piotr Wilczek przypomniał, że rząd Rzeczpospolitej na uchodźstwie już w roku 1942 alarmował o celowej eksterminacji polskich Żydów, a Polska do dziś aktywnie uczestniczy w upamiętnianiu tragedii holocaustu."

Dunno why i wrote the UN though.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/protest-ambasadora-rp-w-usa/p4tv937
Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
1 Feb 2017  #8

Dunno why i wrote the UN though.

Dunno why I am wrong.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #9

@Ziemowit
You said I don't check my sources. My source is Polish Ambassador in the USA.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
1 Feb 2017  #10

No, I said you didn't check your sources since you wrote:

Polish government-in-exile as soon as in 1942 alarmed the United Nations about Nazis deliberately exterminating Polish Jews in death camps.

And they couldn't alarm the UN in 1942 as the UN did not exist then.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #11

@Ziemowit
I said i dunno why i wrote about UN. I should write World instead. Is that all you can stick to?

And to your "blame USA for everything". Dude. Hiroshima, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria (totally uninvited). USA is where ppl die.
Marsupial - | 937    
1 Feb 2017  #12

Over reaction people!
Marsupial - | 937    
1 Feb 2017  #14

Its just comedy for christs sake.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #15

@Marsupial
You mean Holocaust is a comedy? Niiiiice
Marsupial - | 937    
1 Feb 2017  #16

The show you gimp. Stop picking on me or i will salami your butt cheeks.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #17

@Marsupial
Seems you fancy men's butts. Sorry. I'm normal (straight!).
Marsupial - | 937    
1 Feb 2017  #18

So am i. Anyway, this is just a comedy whats the big deal?
Atch 12 | 1,746    
1 Feb 2017  #19

I think he means American politics is a comedy.

About the United Nations, the organisation we know today was founded just after the war but the term was used earlier than that, though it didn't have the same meaning, it really just meant the Allies as we generally call them.

How does Jan Karski fit into that?

He's one of the many sources. Eduard Schulte's info came from his contact with senior Nazi officials and was I suppose, different, in that it was confirmation from the horses' mouth so to speak that there was a definite plan of extermination.
OP NoToForeigners 7 | 853    :-(
1 Feb 2017  #20

I think he means American politics is a comedy.

More like comedy-drama.

Anyways CNN is undoubtedly an influential network and it's lies should always be exposed to prevent misinformation. Americans additionally are prone to media and really disconnected from the rest of the World which basically means that "they believe in what they're being told".
Marsupial - | 937    
1 Feb 2017  #21

Cnn is a joke. They have their news every afternoon here too. Is it also a comedy?
Harry 79 | 13,413    
1 Feb 2017  #22

My source is Polish Ambassador in the USA.

Perhaps you'd do better to refer to historians when it comes to history rather than political appointees.
Atch 12 | 1,746    
1 Feb 2017  #23

prone to media and really disconnected from the rest of the World

Agree that in general the American population is quite insular and not very well informed about the rest of the world. Also their media is dominated by poor quality journalism and broadcasters. Did you ever watch Stephen Fry's journey around America? He was talking to a Harvard professor who summed it up very neatly 'the thing about Americans is that they dislike complexity'. It's a kind of chicken and egg situation, with the education system and media feeding and perpetuating a natural tendency to isolationism and simplification of issues. The American education system is very ropey indeed with no National Curriculum and varying hugely in quality from state to state.
nothanks - | 663    
1 Feb 2017  #24

@Crnogorac3

2 Broke Girls clip. I remember seeing that actress in a film (few random lines) a couple decades ago and she made a comment about her "slavic cheeks". It was in middle school when I started catching onto how the Polak is a goofy, rustic and overall kinda grimy figure in all the Hollywood roles. Mostly from the teasing my buddies (somewhat multicultural) would make while we watched TV shows and films.

Bieganski

Then some 3 years ago I discovered this. He did a short interview where he answered direct questions concerning this book and thus Polish stereotypes in Hollywood/American culture - and why.
nothanks - | 663    
1 Feb 2017  #25

Hiroshima, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria (totally uninvited). USA is where ppl die.

On the flip side it is also true "USA has liberated" and/or "helped more people" in the past 100 years as any other nation. The disconnect or disagreement (but it's becoming more nationally realized with this refugee crisis) is in how the USA profits from global instability and not just economically or militarily but also from the educated refugees/asylum seekers.
nothanks - | 663    
1 Feb 2017  #26

It's a kind of chicken and egg situation, with the education system and media feeding and perpetuating a natural tendency to isolationism and simplification of issues

To me there is simply a-lot of inequality in the USA I.E. school resources. While I completely agree with your assessment - it has "evolved" a bit. I can't pin point when but College began to become a scam. For whom? The leftist agenda. Stockpiling general education requirements with agenda driven liberal arts courses in the 2000's. Now you have this sharp polarized disconnect between those that attend Universities (growing norm in the USA) and on the flip side you have blue collar "fly over" America. But not all degrees are created equal and many of these liberal arts majors end up in debt and the biggest whiners about degrees being a waste. The middle ground of trade schools is increasingly disappearing so the only people capable of doing any sort of home repairs/improvements are those "dumb" no college degree blue collar workers. It's an interesting relationship in the USA. Neither side respects the other.

As for Americans being isolationist. Kind of. Americans are rather open minded especially this new generation of leftist spoon fed globalization and multiculturalism but.....they want it on their own terms and that being American culture. Most Americans are mixed cultured and can no longer pin point their ancestry so can't blame them for being geographically disconnected from the rest of the World. But as the USA becomes more demographically brown - you will begin to see this change as the regular USA citizens will be more involved in American (North, South and Latin) matters. But let me just leave you with this thought - a good portion of the Mexicans I met in Southern-California: eat Mexican, watch Mexican and shop Mexican. Some never tried Chinese or Greek food in their life. Italian - meh very few. So these people aren't all that informed either just a different type of ignorant.
Ironside 44 | 8,292    
1 Feb 2017  #27

What a mendacious nation the USA is...

WTF? What nation has to do with it? Are you saying that federal government is plotting, lying and conspiring to blacken the name of the Poles? What kind of nonsense is that?

The thing is that pop culture is easily influenced by stereotypies and those are being created by narratives in the mass media and by the political influence of ethnical groups in America.

The thing is that Hollywood enjoyed very few or hardly any Polish influences. Successful Pol-Am more oft than not prefer to buy his wife an luxury items than spend some of his money to buy a place at the dinner table with a POTUS.

Generally speaking those who are concerned about image of Poles in the USA are either a first generation of Americans, few individuals or people without much influence anyway.

Plus there is a general trend that Poles born in the USA see themselves as Americans more oft than not with a notable exception of Polonius.

So if they willing to go out of they way to do something Poland or Poles related it entirely depends whereas their semimetal attachment to the notion of their connection to their ancestry is strong enough. They do see it as a expertise of pragmatism or something that would benefits them in anyway.

They have their life and in 99,99% of their daily life Polish issues don't concern them at all.

Whereas governments of Poland don't understand what needs to be done and they either do nothing or act like dumb bureaucrats who understand nothing.

'the thing about Americans is that they dislike complexity'

Like any society at large. I can see why a lecturer holds that notion but it is a delicious irony in the fact that in his generalisation he displays the same trait he denounces in his countrymen. lol!

The first officially acknowledged

Due to the fact that Allies didn't believe into info passed to them by the Polish Government in Exile. They justified that obstinacy talking about alleged bias of Poles towards Germany. The truth is more mundane methinks.

First of all Allies were riddled with Soviet stooges, agents and soviet lovers.
Second of all no one had given two hoots about the Jews, not Britain not USA. Mr Hitler was doing something with Jews - good riddance. Wow he was actually exterminating them, really? that ridiculous such a gentlemanly, civilized nation as Germany (if that were Poles that would be believable but Germany you surly jest or at least exaggerate) not good but we're not going out of our way to stop him.

We have a war to win and one we do that will put a stop to all the atrocities.
Also Germans hadn't started with their final solution before 1941 or 42, not sure, I think it must have been 41.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,575    
1 Feb 2017  #28

there is a general trend that Poles born in the USA see themselves as Americans more oft than not with a notable exception of Polonius.

This passage from your a bit too lengthy post should definitely be underlined.
after2020    
1 Feb 2017  #29

If your source is the ' ADL' may be best to watch the documentary about the ' ADL' call ' Defamation' by Yoav Shamir.
Lyzko 17 | 3,637    
1 Feb 2017  #30

Do Poles try to defame America? It cuts both ways, you know:-)




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