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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.



InfoWarsaw    
12 Apr 2016  #1

According to the betting firms, the possibility of Brexit is no longer a long shot, its real possibility. The betting firms are nearly always on the money, operant behavior is driving the emotional betting activity.

How will Brexit affect UK immigrants in Poland?

How will Brexit affect Polish immigrants in UK ?


pweeg3    
12 Apr 2016  #2

You might add, how will Brexit affect Poland?
jon357 70 | 12,786    
12 Apr 2016  #3

And why Szydło (well, Kaczyński really) climbed down after all their sabre-rattling over benefits.

They know the cash for all those infrastructure projects has to come from somewhere....

Obviously a rich country of 60 million people stopping signing the checks plus all those food exports matter...
Ironside 44 | 8,301    
12 Apr 2016  #4

their sabre-rattling over benefits.

A what?
what are you talking about?
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
12 Apr 2016  #5

In answer to the question "How will Brexit affect UK immigrants in Poland? hopefully they will be booted out after five years if they do not pass the Polish citizenship test.

I guess the same may apply to poles in Britain, but most poles already in Britain will pass the requirements without issue.

I don't think the same could be said for Brit expats in Poland, some of them say they have been here twenty years but they cannot string a sentence of Polish together no B1 pass for them.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
12 Apr 2016  #6

but most poles already in Britain will pass the requirements without issue

The new arrivals doing agricultural or warehouse work who don't usually speak much or any English?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
12 Apr 2016  #7

In answer to the question "How will Brexit affect UK immigrants in Poland? hopefully they will be booted out after five years if they do not pass the Polish citizenship test.

What test? There is no test.

The new arrivals doing agricultural or warehouse work who don't usually speak much or any English?

Or stacking shelves late at night in a supermarket. I asked one girl once a question and she didn't understand a word, yet she was overjoyed when I repeated the question in Polish.
Dougpol1 20 | 1,413    
12 Apr 2016  #8

the possibility of Brexit is no longer a long shot, its real possibility

Don't be naughty.

Like with the Scottish referendum, where a millionaire won 670 thousand quid backing the obvious, only the super rich will benefit from speculating.

I would bet my property on Cameron , but all the Dougpol empire is in my wife's name, seeing as the lions' of it belonged to her in the first place, and she knows full well I would mortgage it for such an opportunity:))

I don't think the same could be said for Brit expats in Poland, some of them say they have been here twenty years but they cannot string a sentence of Polish together no B1 pass for them.

I was wondering where you had gone to Dolno. It seems the rest from the forum has turned you into some sort of silly nationalist overnight.

I kindly suggest you go for a walk down your lane to lighten your mood:)
jon357 70 | 12,786    
12 Apr 2016  #9

I would bet my property on Cameron

The status quo does tend to win, doesn't it.

The big danger here is about the demographic who tend to vote. the risk is that it will be the elderly and the first time voters. Fortunately the expat vote will help to counteract that.
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
12 Apr 2016  #10

"I kindly suggest you go for a walk down your lane to lighten your mood"

Sorry doug but when there are hypocrites here on pf (And I am not referring to you because you make your thoughts and standpoint clear).

There are those who pretend to be Polish and defenders of Polish democracy but have not taken steps to become citizens, they might as well go home upon Brexit.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
12 Apr 2016  #11

backing the obvious

Wasn't that obvious ;) I think had the campaign gone on for another couple of weeks, we would've won it. The tide was massively turning against the No campaign, and Gordon Brown's intervention at almost the last minute probably cost the Yes campaign a couple of percent.

But the difference between the positivity of the Yes campaign in Scotland and the dreadful Leave campaign is obvious.
Harry 79 | 13,413    
12 Apr 2016  #12

In answer to the question "How will Brexit affect UK immigrants in Poland? hopefully they will be booted out after five years if they do not pass the Polish citizenship test.

Have you told your wife about that hope of yours?

the forum has turned you into some sort of silly nationalist overnight.

Or perhaps he says here all the things he knows he can't say in real life?
Dougpol1 20 | 1,413    
12 Apr 2016  #13

the demographic who tend to vote.

Yes, the 18-35s will turn up, and it will be 65-35 to stay in. But the media want to try to keep themselves in work by making it sound close:)))

I think had the campaign gone on for another couple of weeks, we would've won it.

Sorry Delph, don't agree. I am not saying I wanted the result that there was, but it was only ever a romantic pipe dream. There was a late surge of romance, but it wasn't sustainable in my view.
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
13 Apr 2016  #14

Have you told your wife bout that hope of yours?,

She has seen too many Brits here moaning about Poland , in fact she does not want to see Poland go the same way as the UK. why do you think we left the UK for Poland !!!! Brexit bring it on.
pweeg3    
13 Apr 2016  #15

You are British, aren't you?
terri 1 | 1,243    
13 Apr 2016  #16

I did hear that if Britain pulls out of the EU - all non-British nationals will have to apply for a 'working visa'.
All British nationals currently in Poland will also have to apply for visas.
All British nationals wanting to visit Poland as tourists will have to apply for a tourist visa, in the same way as all Polish nationals wanting to visit Britain will have to apply for a 'tourist visa'.

The only people who will decide on Britain's future in the EU are those who will bother to get off their behind and go and VOTE. Every vote WILL count. The campaign will no doubt, get REALLY UGLY in the next few weeks. All dirty washing and all skeletons in the cupboards will see the light of day. There are thousands of people who are working on digging out dirt.
Atch 12 | 1,749    
13 Apr 2016  #17

I did hear

All British nationals wanting to visit Poland as tourists will have to apply for a tourist visa, in the same way as all Polish nationals wanting to visit Britain will have to apply for a 'tourist visa'.

Where did you hear it?? I'm just wondering what were the regulations regarding travel within Europe before the existence of firstly the EEC and then the EU. Did people need visas then? I don't think they did. Of course Poland was a communist country then but I mean amongst the free nations of Europe, what was the story?

With so many people now travelling abroad at least twice a year, the processing of all those holiday visas would be quite a palaver especially if it was just for a short trip like a weekend break. It's not like the old days where a holiday abroad was a big deal. If there is any type of visa, I imagine it will be some sort of travel permit that allows travel to all EU countries and is valid for an extended period eg one year and can be renewed.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
13 Apr 2016  #18

No, before Poland (and others) joined the EU, other Europeans needed passports and not just their national ID cards (but NO visa) for touristic visits and work permits in case of employment. "Normally" if UK got out, other Europeans would need passports and work permits to work in Britain and of course same would apply to Britons in the other EU countries. In addition, re Britons, a lot of them buy homes in Spain, France, Portugal .... and if UK gets out, things could change regarding purchasing real estate and land.....

(I am of course using the conditional tense since UK is still in the EU and nobody knows ;))

(However, should UK get out, it'd be the end of EU since several (main) countries want to leave and they'd for sure use the UK example to do so.. ... In one word, a "No" from UK would be a bomb! ;))
Atch 12 | 1,749    
13 Apr 2016  #19

So all this talk of holiday visas is just the usual hot air that people carry on with. The UK won't leave the EU. I believe some Brits think they can have their cake and eat it, be independent of pesky EU interference but negotiate some preferential deals for themselves where they keep some of the benefits of their past membership, as a 'friend' of the EU. But that's not likely to happen. In the modern world no European country can stand alone in that way. We've created a situation where we need each other. However, as you say InPolska, if they voted to leave it would be the end of the EU, so they will use that as a bargaining tool in getting some sort of little treats for themselves as an incentive to stay in!
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
13 Apr 2016  #20

Pweeg "You are British, aren't you?"

As I was told many a time when I lived in England,

"Just because I was born in a stable it doesn't make me a horse"

The same is true for foreigners and migrants in Poland.

Just because I was given citizenship at birth does not make me British,

I am not a animal that some farmer can stamp his mark on and consider me as their property.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
13 Apr 2016  #21

Yes, most probably, it is just a bargaing tool for UK to get more out of EU. As to visas, they are never needed within Europe (for Europeans) for touristic visits of up to 3 months. We, Europeans, can go without visas even to NON EU countries (Switzerland, Iceland, Monaco and so forth)...

(Well, I need to go to work ;))
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
13 Apr 2016  #22

"I believe some Brits think they can have their cake and eat it," This is very true throughout British history.

In the past they just used to steal the cake and call it a British colony, this mentality prevails to this day. (Rule Britannia )
Atch 12 | 1,749    
13 Apr 2016  #23

In the past they just used to steal the cake and call it a British colony

That's very witty!
Harry 79 | 13,413    
13 Apr 2016  #24

She has seen too many Brits here moaning about Poland

Yes, you have a habit of moaning about Poland, you can't get a good steak here, you can't get a decent beer here, there are no good restaurants here, etc etc.

Just because I was given citizenship at birth does not make me British

No, but the fact that you haven't renounced that citizenship most certainly does make you British. And it's interesting to learn that you are British by birth.

But that's not likely to happen.

Tell that to Norway, all they have to do is pay (slightly less than the UK per head if my memory is correct).
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
13 Apr 2016  #25

Harry 'there are no good restaurants here, etc etc." there you go harry adding things I have never said. There are plenty good Polish restaurants serving great Polish food.

ps I never had any good pierogi in restaurants in the uk either.

Anyway what has the above got to do with Brexit STAY on topic, post your adhom trolling in random

Poland may well introduce a points system for foreigners who wish to work in Poland, this Idea has been proposed within the UK.

Foreigners may well need to prove that a their job could not be undertaken by a polish person to qualify for a Polish work permit.

The reverse would be true for poles in the UK but it can be easily proved that many in the UK would rather stay on the generous benefits system rather than do many of the jobs that poles do in the UK.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,331    
13 Apr 2016  #26

" many in the UK would rather stay on the generous benefits system rather than do many of the jobs that poles do in the UK."

look I am sorry but would you just feck off with that hackneyed old lie. The benefits system is far from 'generous'. Poles do jobs in the UK that are not even offered to British workers, and you know it. One of the main things is that Poles live ten to a room, British people have families to raise. It ****** me off to hear people repeating that mealy mouthed lie.
Atch 12 | 1,749    
13 Apr 2016  #27

Careful now! You'll be going off topic Roz - down with that sort of thing!
dolnoslask 2 | 1,154    
13 Apr 2016  #28

" It ****** me off to hear people repeating that mealy mouthed lie.", 10 to a room! Any proof , source.

From personal experience I have had the following comment when trying to employ local people in the uk ,"Too hot and dirty to work in the foundry for 7.50 per hour" so of course you open the job opportunity to economic migrants that are willing to take the work on.

Poles don't have a problem supporting their family on this wage, If you ever fly to the UK you will see plenty of children travelling with their parents.

The question is , on Brexit where will Britain get its key workers from in the future, who who will take care of the old people and pick crops while on minimum wage ?, It's hard work for sure.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
13 Apr 2016  #29

The benefits system is far from 'generous

This is true.

Should the Brexit happen (and by the way, actually leaving the EU would occur around 2 years after the referendum if at all; it wouldn't suddenly happen the day after the vote) the existing EU deals would be replaced by a treaty/treaties. One thing that wouldn't happen is the return of Europeans from the UK or a mass exodus of Brits from Spain, Poland, France.

In the case of a Brexit, it would very much be in Poland's interest (and to a lesser extent Britain's too) not to rock the boat.
pweeg3    
13 Apr 2016  #30

The question is , on Brexit where will Britain get its key workers from in the future, who who will take care of the old people and pick crops while on minimum wage ?

There is the whole Commonwealth who could be invited back in. EU migrants have blocked them off, in the past there were Australians, South Africans etc all over the place, they can't get visa's now.

Just because I was given citizenship at birth does not make me British,

I'm afraid it does. Like me, you are inedible stamped with Britishness.




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