Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


They didn't tell me.


We're causing a diplomatic row?! Turkey sends 6 boats with anti-Israel activists to break our blockade of terrorist-ruled Gaza and their prime minister curses us day after day, and we're the ones starting a row? We should have sent home the Turkish ambassador, not the other way around. We only did not do it because we know that the Turkish army and many of it s citizens are friendly to israel. We don't want to break off relations with a country just because they happen to have a stupid prime minister right now who wants to use tensions with israel as a political tactic. This is all part of Erdogan's move away from Europe and toward the Arab world. He didn't do all this because of the flotilla or any concern for human rights.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


I never heard of this artist, although I did read the Ringelblum diaries. I'm not aware of any exhibits here in Israel but I see there's an exhibit in Warsaw: jewishinstitute.org.pl/en/wystawy/czasowe/5.html

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Now I've learned about this artist who i didn't know. Thanks.

Genealogy / Is your line of the Polish family noble? [74]


Ha! Shimon Peres was born in Poland.

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [111]


There's no question that after the war Jews emphasized the heroic uprisings, (Warsaw, Kovno, Vilna, Sobibor, Treblinka, bands in the forests) rather than the masses that were killed with almost no physical resistance. It arouses pride and it's easy to explain. But was Janosz Korchak less of a hero than Mordechai Anilevitch? Was a father who stayed with his terrified kids instead of escaping the ghetto a coward? Can you say that the Jews from Hungary, who when they came out of the cattle trains were already inside the gates of Birkenau and were gassed within hours, were cowards for not organizing resistance within hours? So the real measure of heroism or cowardice is not so simple. I'm sure that many of the Poles who were murdered didn't die with a rifle in their hand either. Maybe that's why Poles emphasize the Warsaw uprising. Everyone wants to look like a hero.

Genealogy / Funny Polish surnames [64]


Excuse me? Hebrew is not a Jewish language?

History / Ghetto Uprising better known than Warsaw Uprising? [111]


I reserve the right to be unreasonable, argumentative and one-sided just like anyone else.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]

I was waiting to see where this discussion is going, before I jump in, but it's not going anywhere. People are just repeating their opinions for or against "The Jews". Nothing interesting yet.

Polonius, what reactions did you expect from your idea?

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


Point of information:
Lot was not the ancestor of the Jews. He was the ancestor of the nations of Moab and Ammon. His uncle Abraham was the ancestor of the Jews and several other nations.

And by the way, as far as the discussion of biblical morality, the Bible gives no indication that Lot was a role model for anything. He was just Abraham's nephew who was always getting into trouble.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]

All your quotes are from the New testament. Not my bible. You'd have to ask a christian about that. In the Jewish Bible Lot isn't referred to as righteous.

By the way, while we're on this topic, notice that Noah got drunk and was molested by his son Ham after the flood, and Lot was made drunk by his daughters and then molested (for lack of a better word) after the destruction of Sodom. Apparently the trauma of seeing the world destroyed led to screwed up behavior in some people.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


He wouldn't find that very pleasant. The arab christian population is gradually leaving the palestinian controlled areas because they are bullied by the Muslims, especially in Hamas-controlled Gaza.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


Ethnically they are Arabs, so they try to be as "palestinian" as their muslim neighbors. But the palestinian national movement is increasingly dominated by the muslims. In the past they had a bigger role but they've been overpowered.


I'd love to call you anti semite if i thought you were, but what did you say that was supposed to offend me?


Long story. Sure we're cousins, but there's a big quarrel over who gets the family estate.


Giving them territory won't finish the dispute. As our outspoken foreign minister said, even if we give them Tel Aviv, they won't call an end to the dispute. They already control most of the west bank and all of Gaza. The dispute defines them as a nation. Without it, they'd just be arabs, no different than syrians or jordanians.

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


Stupid comment. The persecution of christians is common all over the Muslim world, not just in the palestinian areas. Did the iraqi muslims bomb that church out of solidarity with the palestinians?

blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:589c662c-561b-4078-80cd-939232efc60d

And for your "starving" palestinians, here's a list of restaurants in Ramallah they might want to try.

paltour.net/palestine-tourist-services/palestine-restaurants/restaurants-in-ramallah/187.php

News / A devestating verdict on the Polish church [279]


In other words, you're saying that we only let them have restaurants while we set up the trains to ship them off to extermination camps? That's the conclusion your ridiculous analogy leads to. No. They are simply not starving. There is no shortage of goods in the West Bank. Their economy has grown about 7% lately. In Gaza the situation is not good, but still there is plenty of food to eat. If not for Hamas, they'd be in the same situation as the west bank. For more information about the economic situation in the palestinian territories, try this link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Palestinian_territories

News / Poland fines singer for bashing Bible [159]


Couldnt resist the chance to put The Jews in this discussion, could you?
For the record, I find it surprising that she should be fined for saying that she doesn't believe in the Bible. Is that a crime in Poland? You don't believe in the bible and no one bothers you. If you believed in it, you would know who was "chosen".

News / Does Poland support the idea of Slavic unity? [142]


Pay up!

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Definitely trolling. Every now and then, when things get quiet on PF, someone tries to start an argument by bringing in the anti-semitism issue. I don't see anything new or interesting in this discussion.

If someone has anything original to say about Polish-Jewish relations, I'd like to hear it. For example, how about the portrayal of Jews in Polish literature, and of Poles in Jewish literature? The cultural identity of Jews in pre-war Poland (polish / german / russian / lithuanian influences etc), Jews in the Polish army and in the 19th century rebellions, Jewish participation in the Polish films industry, influence of Polish nationalism on Jewish nationalism (zionism). There are a lot of good topics to discuss, but the trolls just want to rehash the old boring arguments.

Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]


Not one name sounds Jewish to me. Your Jewish ancestors, if there were any, probably converted and then changed their names to keep you from finding out about your roots.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


This guy sounds fake. I'm a Jew, as you all know, and since I was born I've been almost exclusively among Jews, socially, in Synagogues, in school, in yeshiva, in the army, at work, and I must have come in contact with thousands of Jews over the years, in many countries, and read more books and articles than I can count about Jewish subjects. And in all this time and in all these places, I never heard of a single Jew who claims to be a descendent of the Khazars, let alone the "royal family." I've never heard of any such tradition among any Jews anywhere. Not once.

I have a feeling this post was by one of those people who– (a) think that todays Jews are descended from Khazars, and (b) want to show that Poland was always wonderfully accepting of Jews. Say what ever you want, but don't make believe you're a Khazar. I don't even think you're a Jew.

Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]


When you say "crypto-jewish catholics" do you mean they posed as catholics but were really Jews or that they posed as jews but were really catholics? This was in America? Sounds odd. In America I think it's not dangerous to be either a catholic or a jew.

Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]


I find myself doing that every morning. Can't stop.

Genealogy / I have Jewish DNA, but only know of Polish ancestry . [120]

First they were kicked off the farm in poland by their jewish relatives. Then they went to America and continued to pretend they were catholics, even though this was not the dominant religion in America at any time, and even though they didn't believe in it. They really picked a difficult solution. I wonder why they didn't simply move to a Jewish neighborhood and revert to their Jewishness. No wonder you have identification issues. Good luck. I hope you work it out to your satisfaction.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


I wouldn't think of denying your whiteness, but don't attribute that to any Khazar background. The Khazars were a turkic people and so they would have been darker than europeans and with central asian features. Nothing like your Irish features. I think you can assume that you, like plenty of Jews, have some white european ancestors who joined the jewish gene pool. But unless you look like Borat, forget the Khazar nonsense.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


You hit the nail on the head. The whole reason you and other crackpot jew haters keep bringing up the Khazar story is to attack the legitimacy of the Jews – not just of Israel but of Jews in general. You're saying that we're not who we say we are. (Now this would clear us of killing you lord, since you would put us in central asia on the date of the crime, but who talks about that anymore).

The whole Khazar bullsht is a figment of the imagination. Sure there were Khazars in history but their only recorded descendent is apparently your pal Genecps. They faded out of history a thousand years ago. On the other hand, the Jews just don't fade away. And our little "Project in palestine" is not fading away either. Get used to it – we'll be here long after your sorry ass is long forgotten.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


You talk like a comic book character. Let me be clear: No one denies that there was once a people called the Khazars - this is historic fact. And it's probably true that their rulers adopted the Jewish religion. But there are no Jews today who have a family tradition that can trace their families back to the khazars. You claim that you know you're a Khazar and I say you're making it up because it makes you feel special. It gives you a way to be both Jewish and redneck. There was another joker on this forum who say he's from the tribe of Benjamin. That's also a ridiculous thing to say. All Jews are descended from the tribe of Benjamin, and the tribes of Judah and Levi, and we all probably have some blood of the other tribes because they all married each other. But no jewish family in the world has an actual documented connection with any specific tribe, except the Levis (including the Kohanim) who keep this tradition because they have certain ceremonial functions.

Nothing wrong with feeling a connection to teh Khazars, but don't make up a tradition that doesn't exist. If you're looking for a way to be a tough jew you don't have to look in the far east of russia, you can come to israel and be as tough as you like. Better yet, you'll cause less trouble in russia. Have a good trip.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


If anything, the name Segal indicates that you are a Levite and there couldn't have been any Khazari Levites.
What's this fixation on the Khazars? It's like a modern englishman insisting that his family are Druids and that he has an irresistable urge to put big stone slabs in a circular pattern. If you're a Jew that should be enough to make you proud. Why look for an imaginary identity? And what's with the "warrior" thing? Do you wear a hat with horns and run around with a cape too?

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


It's true. I'm not a Khazar from other sites. And a lot of my friends aren't too.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

[quote=pawian]I am sorry but I suppose you mistake two products:

I am sorry but you mistake two kinds of Jews.
The bagel you show as "Jewish Bagel" is known in Israel as an American Bagel.
The one you show as "Krakow bagel" is what they sell in Israeli grocery stores and kiosks. But they just call it a "Baigeleh".

It comes with poppy seeds, sesame seeds or sesame+zaatar (a middle east spice). It has a sprinkling of salt too.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


You are so right. I think that we Jewish people should send all our bagels back to Poland where they belong. What would you like on your bagel?

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]


I think that came to Poland from Turkey. It's everywhere in the middle east.