USA, Canada / Polish women are not to be trusted! They are out to get American men just for money. [62]

Listen, I met different men, of course mostly Polish, however few foreigners as well. I always looked at what kind of person the guy is not at his passport.

USA, Canada / Polish women are not to be trusted! They are out to get American men just for money. [62]


Stability has nothing to do with nationality. If you met a guy you judge by his character how grown up is he, not by the nationality- that argument is simply invalid.

USA, Canada / Polish women are not to be trusted! They are out to get American men just for money. [62]

It's funny how the ppl that claim they know what Polish women like are men... I would choose character over nationality anytime. If the Polish/Serbian guy suited me more, cool but if the American guy had traits I'm looking for I would choose him. Simple as that. I wouldn't look at some mysterious national traits.

History / Polish Easter Tradition is also pagan! [47]


I didn't either.

History / Polish Easter Tradition is also pagan! [47]


I do, everyday since I was born.

History / Polish Easter Tradition is also pagan! [47]


Curious statement since all the polls and everyday's life proves the opposite...

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]


Ppl decided by voting in referendum, that was the decission of Poles- deal with it.


Ach, so they were trying to make union with Poles but just didn't have other means? Poor Russians- such good intentions...They just invaded Poland, killed Poles, forbade them speaking their language but that's just lack of other means... :D

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]


The difference is- Russia didn't ask us what we want which means agression. EU asked Poles what we want and ppl decided they want to join it- that's called Union.

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]


The situation around Silesia? I live in Silesia, there is no threatening situation here. If ppl will manage to orginise referendum (which is doubtful imo) ppl will decide what they want to do. That's all.


Yeah, like this is going to happen...I can see Poland asking for help, then Russia helping us and even givng us her land just like that...Crow, wake up, you are obviously sleep walking :P

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]


Well, I don't think it's too possible. Poles generally look more towards west than east that's one...2- the misterious Slavdom monster is kind of a foggy idea...3- who'd try to patronize, manipulate and all that? 4- would these mysterious forces attack us military?

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]


No Crow, a realist.
Besides, why would we?

News / Poland and Russia in military alliance - Is that even possible? At least temporary? [71]

Simple. No way.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


I understand Pam and I know you are not one of the know-it-all person however your reaction was absolutely wrong considering it's a neutral word in Polish. You asked now but many ppl instead of asking and learning will transfer the bad connotations of English into Polish which is wrong. It's a bit like with "when in Rome...". While using Polish one has to apply not only grammatical rules but also cultural aspect of the language.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

To me it all goes to one- foreigners (not all off them) cannot be a.... to ask Poles or use dictionaries. And cannot be bothered to aclimatize in our culture instead telling us what we can and cannot do.

Look at Pam's post (no insult or personal attack intended, I hope you know that Pam, just an example):
She was talking to a Pole, in POLISH. Yet after the word mulat was said she didn't ask him about the meaning of the word in Polish. She didn't even said: Listen, I'm not sure about the connotations in Polish but here it's considered a rude word. She said she doesn't want to hear the word again.


I try and try but seem unable to stay away :P

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Ok I think the discussion is over. Obviously you both know Polish better than natives. No point in arguing. I think ppl reading this thread have enough info on the subject and can decide for themselfs. I'm out, I know when there's no point in prolonging.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


I asked all Poles I could (3 now) about that sentence and not even one recognised the meaning when I said it the first time. All ppl said it's absolutely not written by a native speaker. One person added that whoever tries to make it a "Polish" graffiti has something wrong with their heads (I'm just a messanger).

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Thanks P3, I'm not saying the word won't disappear soon but it's something different to claim it's racist.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Harry and Jon you are really trying to push it even though it's evident now I think that you are simply wrong.
As to the graffiti text- as Magdalena said- it's not only grammatically incorect- it's basically incomprehensible. No native Polish speaker would say that. However I'm sure both of you will tell us we are wrong :) After all who are we, mere native speakers, to argue with two language master minds like you :)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Don't put words into my mouth Jon, it won't work. If someone isn't a native speaker he may perceive a word in the wrong way however it doesn't change the original meaning of the word. And you, instead of asking, are trying to push your own understanding of the word down our throats. It simply won't work cos you are wrong.

It's like I used some word in English, I was told that it's the wrong word to use in that context but I told you you are wrong cos I know better.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

I don't care if the word with get out of use- I said it already. What do irritate me is someone who tries to lecture me on my language. And talking bs along the way.

Murzyn is not racist. Period. If you want to live in your fantasy word then go ahead, it won't change anything.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

No Jon, it only means that we won't buy it when some foreigner tells us the word is offensive when in fact it's not.


That word alone doesn't offend me, it's the way someone would use it. And besides- where the word Polack the original English word for a Polish person? Because the word murzyn was just that- a word to describe dark skinned person.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Jon, it's funny that yet more POLISH ppl told you the word is not racist yet you continue to argue
And as to your graffiti: someone used the word Żydzi - do you think that word is racist or offensive as well? Should we change that word as well?

You get funnier with every post.
BTW- I do live in Poland my whole life so the argument you shot at Magdalena won't work here

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Thank you for that piece of information- I REALLY didn't know that :D

BTW Jon- actually they are both but that's a different topic...

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

One more thing- if I ever heard some scatter brain complain about the blacks it was either "Ci Czarni" or "Te czarnuchy" never ever "Ci murzyni". But I guess foreigners are right- Poland- rewrite your dictionaries!!! :D

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

If that's the case I will take an offence in the word "chair". I don't know the reason yet but I will find it :)

I'm not too attached to the word however I find ridiculous what I read here.
The word is getting out of use. True. It will probably disappear in 2 generations. It's natural. However suggesting it's a racist word is wrong, stupid and has no use.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Sorry Jon, but I still don't buy it. If someone wants to make a big deal out of it cool, but it's really funny (as in looking at something so stupid that it's funny) that ppl will change a word (a good one, very often having better connotations than the word black) cos someone had some paranoia.

I use the word black because of logic, not because I find the word murzyn offensive. The same way I won't use Afro- American (considering black ppl from USA).

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


Oh yes, it can sound very unpleasant in certain sentences. I stick to it however very often I would use the word murzyn for better sound. Logic is logic though and I stick to black :)


Good point.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


Then you had to talk to ppl that didn't get the fact that that word simply means a dark skinned person.


As I said I use the word "black" however if I did use it and they made a big deal out of it I would know what to think.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Ok, so now two foreigners are trying to convince me they know the connotations of a word better than me. Splendid!
Listen ppl, from where did you get the idea it's a racist word, huh? Of course it can be used in a racist way but the word "black" or "Afro-American" can be as well.

It wasn't an offensive word and only sick minded ppl made it so.
As I said- I use the word "black" however suggesting that ppl using the word murzyn are racist is just dumb.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

Oh give it a rest. It's a perfectly normal word and it's not used in a bad way 99% of the time. I use the word black simply because it's logical- I'm white so black ppl are black.

I have enough of ppl telling Poles that some word is offensive (even if it isn't) just because they percive it this way. It's like me going to UK and saying that the word "to polish" is offensive cos it's the same spelling as Polish. Sick.