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London is Poland's 24th largest city


Radders 3 | 47
29 Jan 2013  #1
OK, there are all sorts of assertions made on here about Poles in the UK so I thought it may be helpful to post up some primary-source data. Some of this will prove counter-intuitive for those fond of stereotypes.

Demographics
Of the 579,121 Polish born citizens living in England and Wales at the time of the last census in 2011, some 158,300 were resident in London - making the UK's capital also Poland's 24th largest city, coming between Rzeszów (166k) and Ruda Śląska (145k). The top 10 London boroughs for Poles are:-

Ealing (21,507)
Haringey (10,865)
Brent (10,575)
Hounslow (10,355)
Barnet (8,614)
Waltham Forest (8,197)
Lambeth (6,934)
Merton (6,895)
Wandsworth (6,814)
Newham (6,142)

(Source: Office for National Statistics)

Economic Activity
A 2007 study carried out by the Institute for Public Policy Research gave the following for Polish-born citizens in the UK, with UK-born comparators:-

Employment Status -
............... Poles UK
Employed 85% 78%
Unemployed 4% 4%
inactive 11% 18%

Average age of leaving full time education
Poles UK
20.5 17.5

Average gross hourly pay
Poles UK
£7.30 £11.10

Average weekly hours worked
Poles UK
41.5 36.5

Average weekly tax & NI contributions
Poles UK
£94.40 £140.60

Proportion claiming income support
Poles UK
1% 4%

Proportion claiming sickness or disability benefits
Poles UK
<0.5% 6%

Proportion living in social (public) housing
Poles UK
8% 17%

Proportion resident before 2000 who own their own home outright (no mortgage)
Poles UK
46% 27%

... and finally Alcohol Consumption - litres of pure alcohol per person per annum (Source: World Health Organisation 2011)
Poles UK
13.25 13.37
Paulina 9 | 1,451
29 Jan 2013  #2
Thanks for posting this, Radders. Interesting data.
Lenka 2 | 1,114
29 Jan 2013  #3
Interesting.Thanks for that.
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
25 Apr 2013  #4
When you reach England, if you come to London, pass through it quickly, for I do not at all like that city. All sorts of men crowd together there from every country under the heavens. Each race brings its own vices and its own customs to the city. No-one lives in it without falling into some sort of crime. Every quarter of it abounds in grave obscenities. The greater a rascal a man is, the better a man he is accounted... Behold, I prophesy to you: whatever evil or malicious thing that can be found in any part of the world, you will find in that one city... You will meet with more braggarts there than in all France; the number of parasites is infinite. Actors, jesters, smooth-skinned lads, Moors, flatterers, pretty boys, effeminates, pederasts, singing and dancing girls, quacks, belly-dancers, sorceresses, extortioners, night-wanderers, magicians, mimes, beggars, buffoons: all this tribe fill all the houses.

Miasto to zupełnie mi się nie podoba. Mieszkają w nim ludzie najróżniejszego pokroju, którzy pochodzą ze wszelkich możliwych krajów, a każda rasa przynosi własne przywary i obyczaje. Nie można w tym mieście żyć nie splamiwszy się jakimś występkiem, niezliczeni bowiem są w mieście pasożyci: aktorzy, błaźni, zniewieściali młodzieńcy, ciemnoskórzy pochlebcy, efebii, pederaści, śpiewające i tańczące dziewczęta, czarownicy, ludzie trudniący się wyłudzaniem pieniędzy, lunatycy, magowie, aktorzy mimiczni, żebracy.
Ironside 47 | 9,586
25 Apr 2013  #5
Chicago bills itself as the largest Polish city outside of Poland with approximately 1,100,000 people of Polish ethnicity in the Chicago metropolitan area
Meathead 5 | 470
26 Apr 2013  #6
Actually it's the largest, probably more than Warsaw.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Apr 2013  #7
hicago bills itself as the largest Polish city outside of Poland with approximately 1,100,000 people of Polish ethnicity in the Chicago metropolitan area

Well, technically that may be true only if you count Chicago's suburbs. More than half of all Poles live just outside of Chicago proper but within 30 miles of the city and that includes immigrants (and) not just first and second generation Poles.
Ktos 17 | 461
26 Apr 2013  #8
OK, there are all sorts of assertions made on here about Poles in the UK so I thought it may be helpful to post up some primary-source data. Some of this will prove counter-intuitive for those fond of stereotypes.

Haha finally! These figures are not surprising to me at all, English enjoy!
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
26 Apr 2013  #9
When you reach England, if you come to London, pass through it quickly, for I do not at all like that city. All sorts of men crowd together there from every country under the heavens.

Hi Adam,

I enjoyed reading that anecdote, if it was one? Sounds like something from the diary of a 17th Century Polish nobleman who visited London. Could you let us know where it came from please and who the author was? Cheers
AdamKadmon 2 | 508
26 Apr 2013  #10
Chronicle of the deeds of Richard I
Richard of Devizes
Mister H 10 | 759
23 May 2013  #11
Interesting information and I'm intelligent enough to realise that most people (regardless of nationality) are decent, but you don't ask if London wants to be Poland's 24th largest city.
Ironside 47 | 9,586
23 May 2013  #12
but you don't ask if London wants to be Poland's 24th largest city.

Who is London?
Jack?
Mister H 10 | 759
23 May 2013  #13
Who is London?Jack?

Ok, the 'people of London' then. However you want to phrase it, I'm sure you know the point I was trying to make.
Ironside 47 | 9,586
23 May 2013  #14
However you want to phrase it, I'm sure you know the point I was trying to make.

Sure I do the old "bloody foreigners" complex. I just wonder what is has to do with reality? I mean people of London are for the most part immigrants or born to immigrant parents, grandparents and so on. Then there are people who migrated to London from other parts of the country. So ingenious residents of London are in minority if they exist at all as London has been for centuries melting pot for people from all walks of life and gene-pool.

Also you are laboring here under misconception that the UK government and the UK elite somehow give a flying copulation what commoners and plebeians think. Sure they are fast enough when there is a need to apse them and to keep them in line and contend to some extend but in reality they don't really care. I mean who has been affected by the influx of foreigners and who gained ? You can answer that one yourself I'm sure.

Also, do you think that an average Pole (and one able to read English) would think twice about what some Anglik in some borough think about him/her commencing to work in the UK?For him/her the clear indication would be availability of work, whether or not that work is legal and that about it.

The only way to stop further influx of people form the EU would be voting the UKIP into power. Which I think unlikely.
There is out there are people like you harping on about foreigners and immigrants and this or that. In fact they are powerless and impotent and they know that.

Instead they chose to vent their frustration on this or other internet forum to no avail.
I mean if you want implement some changes you need to change your country policy. I would think that one would be obvious cause ******* on immigrants do not help and there are always a chance they will **** back.

By the way feel free to come back here any time to say the same but I would like to listen to something new for a change. :)
Mister H 10 | 759
30 May 2013  #15
Sure I do the old "bloody foreigners" complex. I just wonder what is has to do with reality?

I wasn't saying that either, so just forget it !!


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