News / Poland's post-election political scene [4080]


Ridiculous. His answers showed he thoroughly understood the complexities of the topics brought up and he spoke with conviction and confidence. He wasn't stumped by anything she asked. Indeed, she was the one who came off as an automaton merely reading out questions prepared for her by someone else at the BBC.

Law / Poland's Temporary residence card after marriage; I entered Europe without visa, the officials are stalking me [48]

Why doesn't the OP just admit to being an unskilled but opportunistic economic migrant who has a complete disregard for the laws in other countries?

The OP spins a tale right here on PF chock-full of contradictions and yet he is perplexed as to why Polish officials would want to interview him.

It really is no wonder after reading the OP's posts why no one in his homeland would give him a job.

Love / Are Polish men cold? What do they like? [33]


You are the one who started this thread asking "Are Polish men cold?" You are the one who made this generalization about all Polish men (despite claiming to have lived and slept with one for going on three years). And you are the one who sought to get attention seeking affirmation for your claim from complete strangers.


You don't get it.

If you cared about your Polish partner and saving your relationship with him then you would have respected him as a person (rather than regard him as a utility) and talked to him already about it a long time ago and sought relationship counseling locally if needed. But you didn't. That's your fault.

You are supposedly a strong, independent woman so why not sort this out yourself or just break things off with him and move on? And when you look back on this relationship you failed to keep together it may someday dawn on you that (unlike your typical local beta males) your Polish alpha male partner saw no need to take and pass your "sh*t tests" and constantly prove his worth to you while simultaneously keeping you both amused and well stocked with gossip material to share with your girlfriends.

And maybe someday you will begrudgingly learn to respect him for at least never treating you as merely a one night stand. That says a lot about his character and commitment which I haven't seen you mention once that you are able and willing to reciprocate. That says a lot about you.


As any cultural marxist and social justice warrior worth their kosher salt on PF would tell you, gender differences are a social construct. So you can just stop right now with the petty "but I'm the fairer sex - how dare you!" feigned outrage when you find you can't defend your actions. That trump card has been so overplayed that no one anywhere takes it seriously anymore.

Love / Are Polish men cold? What do they like? [33]


Or in other words,

"I could deny it if I liked. I could deny anything if I liked."

― Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest


Utter nonsense. As usual with all these agony aunt threads the "guest" stages everything where "she" describes "herself" as the victim whom everyone should sympathize with while "her" Polish male partner is a complete failure whom "she" only wishes "she" could do something and make him change for the better. For "both" of them and the sake of "their" relationship, of course. How very nice of "her."

Since we don't have the Polish partner's account (we never do in these anti-Polish hit pieces) then he must be given the full benefit of the doubt and therefore the "guest" poster's explanation should be the focus of attention to see how badly "she" has failed to hold up "her" end of the relationship.


I already said "she" needs to look long and hard in the mirror. The adjustments "she" needs to make is to tell "her" Polish partner "she" knows that "she" hasn't done enough to live up to his expectations.

"She" needs to tell him that rather than respect him and talk to him privately "she" took to the internet to rally strangers in the hopes of finding a release for "her" pent-up resentment towards him and turning an agony aunt rant into yet another anti-Polish screed.

"She" still owes him an apology and an expression of gratitude.

The Polish partner should then take stock of "her" attitude and conduct and then do the right thing and dump "her."


Never? Ever? Nah, you're not believable.

Only some crank who talks to house plants or is an obsessed cat owner would make such a ludicrous claim. Nice try, but in the real world advice regarding those sorts of relationships are not transferable to the human variety.

Love / Are Polish men cold? What do they like? [33]


Which is it? That you don't believe in equality between the sexes or that you do but only as long as women are put first and never take responsibility for anything?

The "guest" poster said she has been in a relationship for two and half years. Now according to you the "guest" poster is entitled to "wanting something more". LOL!

Of course, of course. She wants more but fails to say how she herself will give more towards the relationship.

This "guest" poster should have looked long and hard in the mirror before starting this thread.




I can't help but think that all of these recurring agony aunt pieces written under the guise of a "guest" actually come from the same bored, socially marginalized, seasonal tourist. You know, the same one who has a wildly inflated opinion about himself and brags all the time on PF about having an exaggeratedly close relationship with Poles across the entire social spectrum but never any proof to back it up.

Odd too that all of the carpetbaggers self-identify as male but these drive-by attack posts critical of Polish men always come from "guests" identifying as "females" who in turn consistently focus on supposedly women's issues.

The topics are the same and the writing style is the same.

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Love / Are Polish men cold? What do they like? [33]

It's the weekend! And so right on cue is another agony aunt question thread started by a "guest" poster alleging (yet again) Polish male inadequacy (a key feminist shaming tactic). I'm only surprised that race wasn't mentioned this time around but do note that the religion card was played.

Anyway, the "guest" poster fails to understand that Polish men are not cold but rather very wise about women; especially those from countries west of the Odra.

Polish men rank in the category of alpha males and this is what attracts the "guest" poster and many others like her in the first place.

Since the "guest" poster is not a Polish woman she is incapable of instinctively and ever knowing how to properly treat and respect the Polish man in her life and hence make their relationship mutually supportive, healthy and satisfying.

As indicated earlier, the "guest" poster is clearly a student of feminism and also suffers from a diva complex. And this is the basis as to why this question and many others before it struggle to find answers as to why Polish men are completely opposite from the multitude of native cuckold beta male providers the "guest" poster is accustomed to having at her disposal in places like Germany, Britain, Canada, and the States.

The "guest" poster's Polish partner is naturally committed to their relationship and is patiently waiting for her to get with the program and do her part to make it work. She needs to go apologize to her Polish partner and thank him for putting up with her for as long as he has.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]

Young people's desire to go abroad could be due to seeking better economic opportunities or to escape some form of harm or persecution.

But the young being the young it is most likely just wanting to do what they see others in their age group are doing without necessarily thinking through any long term outcomes of their actions. The world is more interconnected today than ever and communication and travel are cheap. Young people seeing their peers visiting, studying or working in other countries could easily be regarded as a form of cachet that they would want for themselves too.

Moving around is simply being human. Humans have always migrated and Poles have a very long tradition of spreading out to other parts of the world. Migration is hardly a trademark of the so-called wandering Jews and so it is nothing whereby Poles need to turn to Jews to learn anything about.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


The article you linked mentions that 41% of young Poles plan to emigrate. But people consider doing things all the time. However, it's one thing to make a plan and something entirely different to carry through with it. And then there are those who can start a plan but it fails.

Your article also didn't say how long young Poles plan to stay away. Emigration isn't always permanent and also requires the host country to approve permanent settlement. This shouldn't be taken for granted no matter how eager someone might want to leave their homeland.

Nevertheless, one explanation is that Poland's tax system does not favor young workers:

"A PWC consultancy report has found that Poland's tax system is not favourable to people entering the job market, contributing to pushing youth into working abroad."

Article Title: Tax system causing youth to emigrate?
Source:
thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/201393,Tax-system-causing-youth-to-emigrate

And in keeping with the title of this thread, another explanation of 41% of Poles planning to leave Poland would be that they are merely emulating their Israeli counterparts:

"...almost 40% of Israeli youth are willing to leave their homeland and intend to build their lives elsewhere."

Article Title: The real reason young Israelis are leaving the country
Source:
haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.622367

I imagine this 40% figure would be pretty much universal among young people. Simply look at the thousands upon thousands of mostly young third worlders streaming into Western countries each and every day.

Language / Ethnic backround of suffixes of Polish surnames [54]


The topic of Ruthenian identity can be thread all on its own.

It would important to look at what point such surnames came into existence. They may have emerged when there was no Ukraine or Belarus but there was never a Ruthenia proper either even if certain groups were referred to as Ruthenians.

From what I gather it all goes back to Kievian Rus' and the evolution of their language which eventually split between the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (then subsequently the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) and the Grand Duchy of Moscow.


I know some regard modern Ukrainians and Belarusians and descendants of peoples called Ruthenians but this is not a universally shared opinion. Indeed, Ruthenian is now often used as an umbrella term for those minority groups along the Carpathian mountain range who still use cyrillic for their alphabet and are largely adherent to the Uniate tradition for their religious practices.

Since Ruthenian as a language was so heavily influenced by either Polish or Russian there could be certain elements to surnames regarded as Ruthenian which survived even though the language itself went from being one of court to one marginalized to the provinces. Alternatively, as Ukrainian and Belarusian identity arose then it is also feasible that such surnames are unique to these two groups rather than Ruthenian in origin.

News / Local elections - anyone care to comment? [75]

Some rather petty, dismissive comments of the election results from the usual suspects. But then again those on the Left have never been fans of true democratic values and practices.

Language / Ethnic backround of suffixes of Polish surnames [54]


As I'm sure you know those lands have a very long and complex history.

The predominant influence in this region over the centuries and right up to the present has come from Slavic and Orthodox Russia.

In earliest times most people were peasants who worked the land. Surnames often weren't used and they are actually a rather modern convention around the world in terms of human history.

For the longest time under tsarist laws only the ruling elite were permitted to use a patronymic following their first name such as Russia's Peter the Great whose full name was Pyotr Alexeyevich (Russian: Пётр I Алексеевич; Polish: Piotr I Aleksiejewicz).

In Russia proper an actual surname (be it geographic, occupational or ornamental in nature) evolved in addition to the first name and patronymic; for example, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

As far as Belarus and Ukraine there are very practical reasons why it may seem a name ending -icz, -owicz, -ewicz are considered to be unique to these countries. These lands were also at times part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for centuries so any new Russian naming conventions would not have spread. Polish rule allowed the local populations to either enjoy their names as they stood at the time or they would increasingly have become Polonized.

Of course Polish influence itself largely ceased in Belarus and Ukraine when these lands were lost to Russia in their subsequent tsarist and Soviet wars of aggression against Poland.

And particularly during Soviet times Russification was of great importance in solidifying control over the oppressed populations. The frequent forced movement of these suffering people between Soviet republics was also commonplace. A good example of the effects from all of this was seen in the case whereby the pro-Russian Wiktor Fedorowycz Janukowycz (with ancestors from Belarussian lands) was at one time the president of Ukraine while the pro-Russian Alaksandr Ryhorawicz £ukaszenka (with ancestors from Ukraine) still holds a steel grip over Belarus.

So as Paulina correctly pointed out "suffixes like -icz, -owicz, -ewicz denote Eastern origin, namely - Ukraine or Belarus." and the influence comes from Russia.

Law / Can anyone help me in getting my Polish Passport? [10]

You already asked about this in another thread and some people provided you some starting points. There are plenty of other threads on PF which have covered this topic as well.

Here is one more official source from the Ministry of the Interior regarding Polish citizenship:

Ways of acquiring Polish citizenship

Source: msw.gov.pl/en/document/ways-of-acquiring-poli/793,Ways-of-acquiring-Polish-citizenship.html

No one here is going to do all the work for you simply because you are distraught with your current situation of living over in America. So it is best you start reading the resources already provided to you, get going with collecting whatever personal paperwork is needed to justify you obtaining a Polish passport and then begin contacting Polish government officials on your own.

And if you never qualify for Polish citizenship then you will just have to accept that because again no one here will be able to do anything about it for you.

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]

Yes, there are people out there who are known to fetishize the superficial racial characteristics of someone different from their own. If this Katieisgrowly character said she preferred white men in general that would be one thing. However, anyone would understandably be left askance from her saying she distills things even further by dating "almost only polish (sic) boys". Indeed, her profile indicates she is in Australia; a country with a population of 22 million residents but where a quick search online shows there are only around 200,000 Australians who claim to have a Polish heritage. With this extremely low number (even lower when other exclusionary factors like local proximity, age and gender are taken into account) I can't imagine that she goes on many dates if at all given her highly selective preferences. What does she do if a successful, athletic, handsome chap chats her up and later admits he is of Slovak or Lithuanian ancestry? Does she jilt him over something like this and wait for another male who claims to be Polish to come along?

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]

That's interesting. How does someone claiming to have such a diverse heritage personally become a "label snob" when it comes to dating?

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]


Great, then you should have no problem putting a percentage from an independent source to your claims.

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]


All you have been offering is your own confused interpretation and quite frankly it is very chauvinistic of you to be answering for rozumiemnic when my original reply was to her and not you. If rozumiemnic didn't have the time or wasn't interested in responding to my post then it should have gone unanswered by her rather than you butting in and acting like you have the authority to speak on her behalf.


And quite frankly it is very chauvinistic of you as well to be answering for rozumiemnic when my original reply was to her and not you. If rozumiemnic didn't have the time or wasn't interested in responding to my post then it should have gone unanswered by her rather than you butting in and acting like you have the authority to speak on her behalf.


I already indicated in my original comment to rozumiemnic that Polish men and women enjoy long and healthy relationships together. So the suggestion that Polish men (or even Polish women) would much prefer to be with someone else given half the chance does not bear out. Poland still has one of the higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates in the EU. Compare that to your home country where not only is Britain an ongoing laggard with marriage rates it also has the dubious distinction of having the highest divorce rate in the entire EU thus placing it in the top 10 world wide. So what does that say about your multiculti Britain which you refuse to live in but nevertheless expect Poland to emulate? Obviously your fellow subjects who haven't abandoned Britain yet have nothing in common with each other. In fact social cohesion in your homeland is so dire that your fellow Brits can't stand each other long enough to enter or remain in a lifelong relationship.

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]


How do you know?


Then prove it.

Love / Do Polish men date black women?? [69]


You seem to be suggesting that Polish women are inadequate to be partners, wives and mothers for Polish men. But this simply isn't true.

Statistically few black women choose to date and marry white men when it comes to interracial couplings even when both are living in multiracial societies.

Work / Language Teachers - do you feel respected in Poland? [86]

I think it is even sadder that the OP thought nothing of coming to a public form like PF and dishing out criticism against his former student whom he disrespected. Talk about kicking someone after knocking them to the ground.

Work / Language Teachers - do you feel respected in Poland? [86]


You're obviously not aware that respect is supposed to be mutual. I take it you charge for your services therefore your students are also your paying customers. Even if you don't charge you still made an agreement to meet; it doesn't matter if you qualified it. Your ex-student who rightfully dropped you took the time to travel to you. Arriving 7 minutes early is not unreasonable at all. You should appreciate that he wasn't late. If you were running behind on your errands and needed more time to prepare yourself then you should have had the courtesy to contact your student and tell him this was the case. Deliberately ignoring him each time he buzzed you was very rude of you. He had no way of knowing what you were doing or even if you were at home yet. Again, you agreed to meet at 12. Answering the door in only a towel and telling him to wait longer was even ruder quite frankly and unprofessional.

Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]


The OP is just another national from another country among many who come to PF to put the feelers out and determine their chances of relocating to Poland. He may want to go to Poland for an extended time but that doesn't mean he will be successful even if he would be granted permission. He needs a valid reason to come and stay in Poland. Being able to demonstrate you are Jewish may work with securing citizenship and jobs in Israel but it doesn't carry any weight in Poland nor should it.

Poland is not a theocracy and there is a very boisterous crowd on PF who are overly keen to point this out when it comes to matters involving the RCC. Fine, and so it should also be the case involving anyone else from any other religious affiliation.

As far as "feeling accepted" no one is under any obligation to go out of their way to make another person feel accepted. Of course no one should be bullied or discriminated against. But having to stop everything to make sure society at large is being attendant to one special interest group is so unreasonable that it is simply ridiculous. A person's "feelings" are way too subjective anyway. You can hand some people the world on a silver platter and they will be blushing in their gratitude while others will be red in the face with anger and go on to hold a grudge because it wasn't gold.

A guest poster asked this the other day on the thread:


The difference is so sickeningly obvious that it really does give one uneasy pause to see anyone from Israel of all places expressing worry about their own treatment in a modern, peaceful, EU powerhouse like Poland.


Yes, Poland has its own character, customs and culture and all this needs to be deeply respected by foreigners no matter how long they are permitted to stay.

Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]


My response to the other poster was factual regarding your status as a foreigner in Poland. Don't expect a welcome home party the day you first set foot on Polish soil.

Regarding what Polish locals will think of you, that is something only your own experience will teach you. If you read the comments of some the British posters on PF then you could be mislead into thinking that actual Poles want nothing to do with others of Polish heritage who come from other parts of the world. But this is wrong and stems from their own hard feeling about failing to make any meaningful friendships or relationships with Poles during their own stay in Poland. Also recognize the British mentality is one burdened by class consciousness. Rather than do what comes instinctively to the rest of humanity and try to find common ground, they instead immediately begin measuring up others (especially each other) in terms of class background.

The majority of Poles however don't mind discussing where other Poles have settled; be it recently or generations ago. And if they know you are a foreigner don't be surprised if any ask you first if you had ancestors who previously lived in Poland.

If you can speak Polish enough to hold a conversation and are able to talk about matters which don't include Israel, an obsession with the Holocaust, or the merits of the communist movement then you will find Poles will most likely be willing to talk to you. And perhaps many won't. But realize that Poles do have their own lives to lead and not everyone is in the mood to keep a tourist entertained during his or her stay no matter how enthusiastic they may be about visiting Poland.

Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]


Like I pointed out, Jews regard Israel to be their homeland, not Poland. Therefore there can't be any Jewish parts of any town in Poland whether you personally regard them to be "traditionally" so or not. Emphasizing your personal opinions about this matter with the use of quotation marks won't change reality.


That's a completely inaccurate statement you just made. You need to read the title of this thread. It's about being a Jew in modern-day Poland and it is being asked by an Israeli Jew. If this Israeli visits Poland he will be exactly that, a visitor. If he seeks to settle in Poland then he will be an immigrant and needs permission from Poland to remain. What about an American or Canadian Jew who goes to Poland? Same situation. Jews from Central or South America or the very few part of Africa? Yep, they are either a visitor or an immigrant.

Poland doesn't extend special status to Jews who come from non-EU states. In fact, Jews don't enjoy any special status in Poland even if they were born in Poland or somewhere else in the EU. Granted, you may want to think they do or should but this is simply not the case.

As far as Jews living in places during times of shifting borders then you need to pick up a book on Poland's history. If there is anything traditional about Jews living in Europe they often had to be granted permission to reside or practice a trade. Armenians and other minority groups also had to follow the laws of the day. People may regard this all as unfair but in reality it is no different from today regarding immigration rules and permission to work or claim benefits.


Re-read my comments immediately above. Or better yet, read the Polish Constitution: sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm

I provided you the version in English so you can read it. Nowhere does it say Jews are in Poland by right. In fact, you won't find the words Jew or Jewish listed anywhere. Why not? Because Poland's government is not going to carve out special status even though you are jumping up and down on here insisting Jews have rights which don't even exist on paper.


If anyone with Polish citizenship goes around calling themselves Jewish first then they are not focused on Poland at all. They are stuck in a past of outdated thinking. If they refuse to assimilate then they need to leave.


Again, this thread regards a question posed by an Israeli Jew. I am not Jewish and I have never lived in Israel. I completely understand your frustration about such foreigners never getting permission from natives to settle in their lands and even go so far as to murder the natives who resisted, but you really need to ask an Israeli to explain themselves regarding the creation of their state.

Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]


But if one were to believe the very vocal position held by some that the Jewish homeland is Israel then that could only mean that nowhere in Europe or elsewhere in the world could or should be regarded as "traditionally" Jewish parts. There is no denying that Poland is a distinctively European country and a major player at that which has long been a great contributor to European history, culture and progress. As for Israel, it is only a very, very tiny part of the Middle East and one which has values and beliefs completely opposite to those of modern-day Poland. In its current incarnation, Israel is the new kid on the block and has a great deal to learn from the rest of the world.

As for Jews residing in Poland they (like any immigrant group) need to wake up and make the decision, are they going to move forward into the future and assimilate 100% in the prevailing culture where they have been permitted to settle in or are they forever going to be daydreaming about a past of which they have little to no real understanding and one in which they can claim only the most tenuous of links?

Love / My Polish wife's family hate me. Maybe it is because I'm black. Advice needed. [87]


C'est la vie.

But don't worry too much about your situation. Many marriages today end in divorce anyway. So if your parents stop talking to you their silence will probably only last about a year if your marriage even lasts that long.

Language / What computer keyboards are in use in Poland? [34]


You might find such a keyboard then on eBay or you may have to go the route of finding stickers or a dual alphabet keyboard skin. A language speciality book shop may carry such items or even a local school which teaches Polish may know suppliers of such items they can refer you to.

Language / What computer keyboards are in use in Poland? [34]


If you personally are in need of a Polish alphabet keyboard they are available however I note that you don't say which country you currently live in or which OS you use.

Apple offers a wireless keyboard with a physical layout containing characters unique to the Polish alphabet:



If you do own a Mac then do a search online for part number MC184PL/B.

Life / Polish people are the most ignorant people in the world! [331]


Teamwork may be good for group activities like show dancing, picking crops by hand, or moving furniture. But how can children ever learn to think for themselves if they are trained from a young age onwards to always depend on others to come up with the solutions? Especially in critical studies like maths and sciences.

Indeed, the UK school system is not something Poland should be following at all:

China's poorest beat our best pupils - Children of factory workers and cleaners in Far East achieve better exam results than offspring of British lawyers and doctors, says OECD.

Life / Halloween vs All Saints' Day in Poland [48]


I thought you were a proud multiculturalist. You should have been leading the celebrations on your street.

Life / Weird names Polish parents give to their kids [43]

According to the last official published statistics the names you mentioned weren't even listed as being popular in Poland:

msw.gov.pl/pl/dowody-i-paszporty/ewidencja-ludnosci-dow/najczesciej-nadawane-i/3057,Najpopularniejsze-imiona-i-nazwiska-w-Polsce-w-2009-roku.html

Social trends change but rarely do these happen rapidly. So it wouldn't make sense that name preferences would have changed significantly leading up to or after this snapshot was taken.