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Local elections - anyone care to comment?


InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #1
What do the results tell us? The screen suggests PiS are ahead. Is that correct?
Looker - | 1,046
16 Nov 2014 #2
Yes:

1. PIS - 31,5%
2. PO - 27,3%
3. PSL - 17%
4. Nowa Prawica - 4,2%

Attendance - 46,4%
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #3
Yes:1. PIS - 31,5%2. PO - 27,3%3. PSL - 17%4. Nowa Prawica - 4,2%Attendance - 46,4%

Is that 'the share of the vote' overall across the country? Because, of course, in many cities including here, PO have swept to victory by a massive percentage. The turnout of 46.4% is surely quite low too, isn't it?
Cardno85 31 | 976
16 Nov 2014 #4
The turnout of 46.4% is surely quite low too, isn't it?

I would say for local elections it's pretty average, for major elections you would expect a bigger turn out but this isn't such a big deal in most peoples minds (even though, in the small scheme, local elections actually affect your life more than national ones).
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #5
Yes, I quite agree, indeed! Thank you Cardno, & thank you Looker.
jon357 63 | 15,214
16 Nov 2014 #6
The President of Warsaw (from Platforma) has apparently got a second term of office
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #7
Would you care to comment on that? Is that something you would have expected or do you feel it was time to give someone else a chance?
jon357 63 | 15,214
16 Nov 2014 #8
The city's improved during her term of office but she's far from perfect.

At least it isn't PiS.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #9
Thanks Jon, it'll probably never be PiS there or here if I understand things correctly about this country (but of course I might be totally wrong as a foreigner with only a slight grasp of things here, if that!). My guess is that the less privileged or less prosperous areas have the greatest number of PiS votes in them. Wrocław seems to be pretty prosperous judging by the new cars on the road here (on tick or not I don't know) and the mega busy malls.
jon357 63 | 15,214
16 Nov 2014 #10
My guess is that the less privileged or less prosperous areas have the greatest number of PiS votes in them

According to surveys, they're smaller towns, less well educated, less affluent, older demographic with some exceptions - they have something of a power base round Krakow.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
16 Nov 2014 #11
they have something of a power base round Krakow.

interesting!
jon357 63 | 15,214
16 Nov 2014 #12
Tradition - a bit like the UK with the LibDems in Cornwall or some cities not voting for the party you'd expect.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,062
17 Nov 2014 #13
Here is how professor Jadwiga Staniszkis (my favorite political analyst) comments the results of the local elections:

- This is because people are tired of PO and also because of the hopeless campaign led by the new prime minister Ewa Kopacz under the "Closer to People" (Bliżej Ludzi") banner. And people do remember the ever worsening health services and higher prices of pharmaceuticals.

- The increase of PO's results in opinion polls just after the departure of Donald Tusk for Brussels must have been misleading for them - said Jadwiga Staniszkis. - Such an increase also resulted from the joy that Tusk was not here any more - added the sociologist who for long has been known as a PiS, be it critical, supporter.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/wybory-samorzadowe-jadwiga-staniszkis-komentuje-slaby-wynik-po/0ppnt

PiS chairman Jarosław Kaczyński said that if it were not for the so-called "Madrid affair", the election result of PiS would have been even better.

Anyway, I am surprised that the result is so good even with their Madrid scandal. But I am glad that Adam Hoffman would no longer be preaching his tirades on TVN about how bad his political opponents are, suggesting that he himself together with his PiS colleagues are angels who fly over Poland keeping a watchful eye on the PO politicians and their sins.
Bieganski 17 | 901
17 Nov 2014 #14
Some rather petty, dismissive comments of the election results from the usual suspects. But then again those on the Left have never been fans of true democratic values and practices.
jon357 63 | 15,214
17 Nov 2014 #15
the results of the local elections:

Rare that a party in office does well in local elections after so long.

PiS chairman Jarosław Kaczyński said that if it were not for the so-called "Madrid affair", the election result of PiS would have been even better.

Some of Macierewicz's antics could also be off-putting.

But I am glad that Adam Hoffman would no longer be preaching his tirades on TVN about how bad his political opponents are

Too much negative campaigning and 'obozy'. A bit of unity and positivity would be good from any party.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
17 Nov 2014 #16
I don't think these local elections reflect the national mood. Actually they never do, because local issues dominate. Look at the number of big cities where the independent city presidents renewed their mandate. Also 17% for PSL....that does not reflect their votes in national elections.

Myself I voted here in Warsaw Bielany for a local party which focuses on local problems. For all other positions I voted Green, because I do think PO and HGW could do a much better job - look how they handle the reprivatisation (not to speak of the controversy her husband finds himself in regarding this matter), but also didn't want to vote for these PIS morons, so I decided just to be cross.

Results of the election. See who won seats in your area

PO loses in favor of PiS and local committees - in this way the elections to the district councils can be briefly summarized. But in any part of the Warsaw situation is slightly different. The balance of power in the districts of Warsaw will change. Until now only 18 districts in the three are not ruled by PO. Now the platform will certainly rule in eight, PiS certainly in the three (so far only had one). In the remaining seven the situation is not yet clear, the alliances shall be decided by the local committees.

warszawa.gazeta

If you see the results in Warsaw, it is clear that in quite a few districts local committees are getting a lot of votes, which I think is really great. They know the local issues and problems.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
19 Nov 2014 #17
But I am glad that Adam Hoffman would no longer be preaching his tirades on TVN about how bad his political opponents are, suggesting that he himself together with his PiS colleagues are angels who fly over Poland keeping a watchful eye on the PO politicians and their sins

Now PO just need to kick out their own , far worse version of Hoffman, Niesiołowski, and things can even out.

Have you folks been hearing about the mess with PKW in the news? Apparently there are still some votes to be counted, and this is causing suspicions of foul play.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
19 Nov 2014 #18
Care to inform us if you voted and if not...for which reason?

About PKW, this is a question of plain incompetence, nothing more. They were so stupid to install a new computer program six months before the elections. That's asking for guaranteed trouble.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Nov 2014 #19
About PKW, this is a question of plain incompetence, nothing more. They were so stupid to install a new computer program six months before the elections. That's asking for guaranteed trouble.

And according to today's newspapers they were hacked as well...

If you see the results in Warsaw, it is clear that in quite a few districts local committees are getting a lot of votes, which I think is really great. They know the local issues and problems.

This is good news, as is PSL doing well.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
19 Nov 2014 #20
And according to today's newspapers they were hacked as well...

Well there you go, so the suspicions were correct.
jon357 63 | 15,214
19 Nov 2014 #21
They were so stupid to install a new computer program six months before the elections. That's asking for guaranteed trouble.

Quite. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they'd never even run a simulation.

There look to be some interesting run-offs coming up too - it will be interesting how that pans out.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Nov 2014 #22
Votes still being counted in some areas. It's funny that PiS get so much criticism for wanting these elections to be re-done, even though they won them. PiS see injustice and want it rectified even if that injustice may have benefited them. You think PO or some other party would do the same?
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
22 Nov 2014 #23
It's funny that PiS get so much criticism for wanting these elections to be re-done, even though they won them.

PKW, who ran the election IT system, should be blushing.

Rerun called for by PiS party despite their good performance (so perhaps they think they may do even better if Poles went to the polls again?)
sobieski 107 | 2,128
23 Nov 2014 #24
Rerun called for by PiS party

Of course they very well know that the constitution does not allow this.
jon357 63 | 15,214
23 Nov 2014 #25
Since when has the constitution stopped them calling for things? During their brief time in office they even wanted to scrap it and replace it with one of their own...
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
23 Nov 2014 #26
Of course they very well know that the constitution does not allow this.

The constitution prevents a rerun when something like a technical failure occurs? Are you sure about that? Sounds unlikely. Common sense would surely say that technical failure prompts something to be done again.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,062
23 Nov 2014 #27
8800 people voted for PSL, this traditionally farmers' party in Gdynia, a town of two hunderd fifty thousand inhabitants. Four years ago, they only got 800 votes in the local election. Even the PSL itself has been unable to explain this 1100% increse of votes.

8,800 of votes in a town of 250,000 is not that strange, but a 1100% increase over 4 years with no particular reason for that may sound a bit suspicious.
OP InWroclaw 89 | 1,915
23 Nov 2014 #28
that may sound a bit suspicious.

And surely anything that sounds like a glitch or software bug or other technical failure can legally prompt a recount or rerun. So, for all parties to be sure of their mandate, perhaps a rerun or recount is the best thing? Of course, the expense is considerable, but one can't (or shouldn't) put a price on democracy.
Kowalski 7 | 621
23 Nov 2014 #29
Technical failure resulted with counting votes late and announcing results later then usual. People voted already and their votes could be counted - even manually. No need for new election. Any complains as for the results/procedure etc can be dealt by court locally as it was done in previous elections.
jon357 63 | 15,214
24 Nov 2014 #30
People voted already and their votes could be counted - even manually.

This would be normal in most places - in PL, people love a procedural scandal.

No need for new election. Any complains as for the results/procedure etc can be dealt by court locally as it was done in previous elections.

Exactly, however PiS are so vexatious they'll try anything...


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