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Because we, as an independent country, are a part of this alliance and have to take our allies into account. :)


Not at all. The EU, in my opinion, will be the strongest as an alliance of fully independent countries, whose legal systems guarantee them their full independence.

You see - there is no contradiction at all - Poland has full right to have judiciary system laws like Spain or media laws like Germany or France, n'est-ce pas? :)

Or are all the EU countries equal, but some are more equal than others? :):)

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It's summer. They are not migrating - they are going on holiday. :)

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]


We have been paying from our taxes for the antics of every single government since 1989. Nihil novi sub sole. The question is: are they, as a government of an independent country, entitled to do that. The answer is: yes.


If that's what it takes to adjust Poland's laws to EU standards (similar to media laws in Germany or France) as they have been adjusted in the judiciary area (similar solutions as the German or Spanish ones), then why not? I thought that you are an EU enthusiast, Pawian, has anything changed lately?


There are some things which are more important than business. Like independence for example.

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]


That's the government's problem and their choice. They have to decide what they want to do and what cost they are willing to pay.

There is no doubt, however, that as a government of an independent country they are fully entitled to introduced media law changes (especially if these changes are in full conformity with EU regulations, as it is indeed the case here).


I am using cold, unshakeable logic. :) You are letting your political sympathies cloud your judgement.

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So, according to your logic an independent country could never change any laws applying to already existing entities.

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]


And I already told you that according to that logic no laws applying to existing entities could ever be changed, because the old ones are in place and the "game is on".


As I said, PiS are already succumbing to external pressure. Miękiszony.

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Anyway, PiS will most likely succumb to the pressure and change the proposed bill. If they do, it will only show that vassal-like mentality and inferiority complex are not limited to PO or Lewica.

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Your political sympathies would seem to somewhat cloud your judgement on this matter. The law in question will limit equally the presence of foreign owned media, no matter if it's American TVN, Russia Today, media owned by China or any other non-EU entity. It is basically a good law, in conformity with EU regulations - opposing it only because it's proposed by PiS makes very little sense.

Here's a short poem for those who will cry for TVN...
... ;)

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According to that logic no laws could ever be changed, because the old ones are in place and the "game is on". :)


I'm just pointing out the obvious. :P


I will. Good night, Pawian, and please try not to plot any foreign forces intervention while I'm asleep. :):)

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Very similar judiciary legal solutions are implemented in Spain (and Germany if I'm not mistaken), and in Malta the Prime Minister personally appoints judges.

Somehow, it's OK in those countries but wrong in Poland. :)

I will repeat it again (and retire to bed, for well deserved rest after a crazy day with kids :)). Polish matters should be settled in Poland and by Poles alone. We are an independent country. Calling for an outside intervention in our internal matters doesn't seem entirely wise (to put it rather mildly).

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I think PiS would survive this kind of sanctions. As I said before - they have only 2 more years to rule - this should be settled without outside intervention. We are an independent country.


But the media laws PiS is proposing are not anti-democratic. They are exactly the same as the ones implemented by Germany or France.

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I don't know, I never was much of a mind reader. :) Tell me.


Outside intervention. I abhor that. Polish matters should be settled by Poles only (and PiS has only 2 more years to ruse, so...).

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I agree, it's a matter of taste but no more than that.


That's a bit too dramatic imo.


I hope neither Americans nor Russians (nor Guatemalans, Filipinos etc.) have power or audacity to meddle in Poland's internal affairs.


Sanctions against PiS means sanctions against Poland. I'm not sure if it's entirely wise to call for such measures.

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It is perhaps a question of greater degree of subtlety but yes, they do.

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]

This is, frankly, ridiculous. PiS is merely trying to adjust Polish media market to EU norms regarding majority shareholders from outside the EU in the media sector. Germany and France have much harsher laws in this area, so I don't see what the problem is. Foreign owned media, like Sputnik or TVN, have to be regulated as they are in the "old EU" countries.

One can't help but notice the hypocrisy of PO who are trying to enforce a bill to delegalize TVP Info, but they would defend TVN with their bare breast :)


You put it very mildly. They are openly hostile towards the government and their policies (often to the point of losing objectivity and journalist integrity).

The problem in general is that we have very few independent media in Poland. Most of them are either blatantly pro-government (e.g. TVP, Gazeta Polska) or openly hostile towards it (e.g. TVN, Wyborcza). There are some objective (or semi-objective) weeklies, like Tygodnik Powszechny or Do Rzeczy, but major media clearly stand either on the side of the government or the opposition.

In any case, adjusting media market laws to the EU standards is a must.

Travel / Polish people have a weird attitude torwards tourists [82]

That is absolutely correct.

Politics, internal and external, can change but national character remains basically the same throughout centuries.

Travel / What is the weather like in Poland where you are now? [211]


Well, I suppose it's possible... if one really feels the urge. ;)


I like Kashubian lakes indeed. Szarlota (near Kościerzyna) is a nice place.

Travel / What is the weather like in Poland where you are now? [211]

It happens recently, true.

Luckily it is only tourist who ever attempt to have a bath in the Baltic Sea - we, the locals, only look at them with barely concealed feeling of superiority. ;)

Travel / What is the weather like in Poland where you are now? [211]

Tricity is probably the best place to live in Poland (and it's not just my local patriotism) - agglomeration with over 1.2 million people but spread over a large area, so it's not really crowded - a lot of parks, hills and recreational areas, great municipal greenery all over the place, relatively clean air, a plethora of cultural, educational and economic possibilities. Unrivaled.

Travel / What is the weather like in Poland where you are now? [211]

My wife is from Masovia and when I visited her in her parents' house in the summer I remember that it was always 4-5 degrees more than by the sea (and no sea breeze). It felt like visiting Africa :)

Travel / What is the weather like in Poland where you are now? [211]

Not too hot here in Gdańsk - nice 26 degrees with lovely gentle breeze from the sea. The best weather ever :)

Travel / Photos from Poland [258]


Black is for people who like doing it with lights out and brown... well, brown is... figure it out yourself.


How dare you - you homophobe, transphobe, patriarchal racist!!!


:D

Travel / Polish people have a weird attitude torwards tourists [82]

I was just kidding. :) English has great potential to turn from an ugly and vulgar tongue into something very aesthetically pleasing and elegant when the writer/speaker is skillful with his style and choice of words. I am definitely not a keen admirer of this common language, but even I have to admit that when it is used by writers like P.G. Wodehouse, Kingsley Amis, John Mortimer or Hector Hugh Munro it can give one a certain measure of linguistic satisfaction.

Travel / Polish people have a weird attitude torwards tourists [82]


Exactly. Language is, first and foremost, a communication tool, as I have -- on this very board -- on multitudinous occasions expatiated. :D

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

The board is infested with trolls today. Trolls and reprobates.

*praying...*

Oh, Lord, please make Oathbreaker and James123 - two staunch paedophile defenders and reprobates dead in their sins - see your eternal light and come to faith in Jesus Christ. Please save them by your mercy, Lord. AMEN.

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

You keep claiming that protecting child rapists from just punishment is "commendable". That tells me that you are everything but redeemed by Christ. You are dead in your sins and God turns His face away from you in disgust.

Life / Polish patriotic tattoos [45]

Not to mention that it's strictly forbidden in the Bible ("You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.", Leviticus 19:28), and most of those "patriots" probably consider themselves Christian. :)

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Who's talking about "lynching for sins"?

I am talking about punishing for crimes commited on children. You are saying that protecting the rapist monsters was commendable which leads me to an obvious conclusion - you are either:

a) a troll, just trying to annoy people
or
b) a complete and utter sickf*ck

In both cases, there's no point arguing with you.

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]


Which allowed the criminals to continue raping children, again and again.

Are you sure "commendable" is the word you wanted to use?

News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Raping a child is one of the most despicable crimes one can commit. Children have been raped all over the world by the catholic clergy, and all over the world, according to the very same procedures implemented by dioceses and ecclesiastical courts, the rapist beasts were protected.

It was not a single diocese, a single bishop or a single parish, but the church on every continent, acting in an organised mafia-like style, protecting the monsters.

Those who fail to acknowledge that, or even try to defend the perpetrators, are no better than the rapists themselves. They make me sick. The only consolation is that they will have to, one day, stand in front of Our Lord Jesus Christ and answer for this monstrosity.