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Ryszard Czarnecki - Poland's politician and Member of the European Parliament


NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
7 Feb 2018 #1
So there's no rule in EU to punish a MEP for the stuff he said OUTSIDE of European Parliament. The EU nazis try and will punish Czarnecki anyway.

There's a rule in EU to punish a MEP for badmouthing others WITHIN European Parliament yet the Hitler-looking Verhofstadt will not be punished for saying (during EU parliament meeting!) that on the 11th of November 60 thousand of nazists marched on the Polish Independence Day therefore badmouthing Polish patriots.

Double standards much?
EU is about equality? ROFLED
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
7 Feb 2018 #2
More info please. What is this about? What is Ryszard Czarnecki being punished for saying? Do you have a link?
OP NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
7 Feb 2018 #3
He called other MEP (on Twitter) Róża Thun von something a "szmalcownik".
Szmalcownik was a term to describe a person that betrays Jews for money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szmalcownik

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3%C5%BCa_Thun

wiadomosci.wp.pl/ryszard-czarnecki-obrazil-europoslanke-roza-thun-odpowiada-denny-poziom-6208847325501569a

Today (12 o'clock poolish time) there's a voting to dismiss Czarnecki from his function in the EU.

DOUBLE STANDARDS
OP NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
7 Feb 2018 #4
lifesitenews.com/news/former-belgian-prime-minister-faces-lawsuit-for-claiming-polish-marchers-we

NO REPERCUSSIONS!!!

reddit/r/europe/comments/7ebxdv/verhofstadt_to_be_sued_for_his_60000_nazis
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
7 Feb 2018 #5
Oh yeah, this was because she was going to foreign [German] media and telling nasty tails about Poland, so he made the comparison to the szmalcownicy who betrayed Jews.

That's stupid if the EU parliament is indeed going to vote to dismiss him. How can you lose your position because of something you say? It wasn't even that bad. I mean, Korwin has said way worse things in the EU parliament and nothing has happened to him. Why? Because he isn't part of PiS, and the EU despises the current government so they will take any opportunity to hit them.
mafketis 25 | 9,340
7 Feb 2018 #6
He called other MEP (on Twitter) Róża Thun von something a "szmalcownik".

It's a classic case of projection, accusing others of one's own moral failings.
OP NoToForeigners 10 | 1,049
7 Feb 2018 #7
It doesn't matter what he is accusing her of. The deal is THERE'S NO RULE (LAW) IN THE EU PARLIAMENT THAT ALLOWS TO PUNISH A MEP FOR SOMETHING A MEP SAID/DID OUTSIDE OF THE PARLIAMENT!

IN FACT THERE"S A RULE (LAW) THAT ALLOWS TO PUNISH A MEP FOR THINGS HE/SHE SAID WITHIN EU PARLIAMENT HALLS. YET VERHOFSTADT INSULTED 60k POLES THAT MARCHED ON THE 11th of NOVEMBER 2017 BY CALLING THEM "NAZIS" ON AN OFFICIAL EU PARLIAMENT MEETING AND HE WON'T BE PUNISHED

All that stuff just clearly show that EU isn't about equality but about cliques and bussiness of elites who run that abomination of an UNION.

**** EU
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBegota

France, Slovakia, Norway all collaborated with Germans. POLAND NEVER!

How many german genociders did the USA give shelter to?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
7 Feb 2018 #8
THERE'S NO RULE (LAW) IN THE EU PARLIAMENT THAT ALLOWS TO PUNISH A MEP FOR SOMETHING A MEP SAID/DID OUTSIDE OF THE PARLIAMENT!

He wasn't punished, he was merely sacked as a Vice President of the European Parliament.
Atch 16 | 3,299
8 Feb 2018 #9
The important thing to note is that, just as with the Rule of Law issue last year, the decision to remove Czarnecki from his post of responsibility was taken by his fellow MEPs who voted to do so.
pawian 176 | 15,395
8 May 2021 #10
The guy, PiS member, is involved in a fraud scandal right now. It was proven he had illegally claimed the reimbursement of travel expenses from Brussels to Poland for trips which didn `t take place in fact. It is about 100.000 PLN.

Not bad. PiS politicians in action, as usual. Coz we deserved that money!

Old article in English
euronews.com/2020/08/04/ryszard-czarnecki-senior-polish-mep-under-investigation-over-travel-expenses

New article in Polish
businessinsider.com.pl/twoje-pieniadze/ryszard-czarnecki-musi-oddac-pieniadze-za-podroze/k3q5f7x
GefreiterKania 4 | 49
9 May 2021 #11
It is about 100.000 PLN.

It's actually 100k euro.

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/nie-tylko-ryszard-czarnecki-lista-politykow-ktorzy-mogli-naciagac-podatnikow-jest/fkz3bff

oko.press/czarnecki-musi-zwrocic-parlamentowi-europejskiemu-nawet-100-tys-euro/

It is always a mystery to me -- the level of greed of some people. He was the vice-president of the European Parliament, he was raking it in (he was a European MP for 16 years!). And still he felt it necessary to cheat and steal the European taxpayers' money (and the travel expenses were peanuts compared to his official earnings). If it happened during PO's reign it would be a scandal on a national scale, and today--nothing--Czarnecki is still a PiS member and he is still writing articles for PiS-controlled newspapers and magazines. A moral authority, one might say.

Mind boggles.
Ironside 50 | 11,061
9 May 2021 #12
Why? Do you naively believe that those politicians and that system set in Brussels is for them to actually do something useful? Its all there to corrupt people, in other words to give them an ample opportunity to take as much money they can. I bet rules are ambiguous as to traveling expenses on purpose so they can if someone is not careful enough use it to pull on his string whilst others with the same or worse attitude towards traveling expenses won't even get mention. That of course doesn't excuse that poor excuse of a man.

That is where all those European funds go.

lista-politykow-ktorzy-mogli-naciagac-podatnikow-j

By the way it says list of politicians that might ...... so just a guess,.
jon357 67 | 16,921
9 May 2021 #13
PiS member, is involved in a fraud scandal right now. It was proven he had illegally claimed

No surprises here, alas.

TKM.
Ironside 50 | 11,061
9 May 2021 #14
It was proven he had illegally claimed

Where was proven in Wyborcza? Lol! Try again!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,405
9 May 2021 #15
He was asked by the Commission to submit evidence for his travels. I think he produced some strange receipts, but don't remember details of this fraud of his.

Anyway, it wasn't a Wyborcza-only issue. The PiS-controlled media obviously did not pay any attention (in case this is your only source of information on Poland).
gumishu 11 | 5,701
9 May 2021 #16
to submit evidence for his travels

newsweek.pl/polska/sikorski-afera-wyjazdy-wlasnym-samochodem-koszt-sejmu-newsweekpl/3jkmyty
or here polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1602077,1,sikorski-tlumaczy-sie-z-podrozy-za-80-tys-zlotych.read

Radosław Sikorski was not much better if you ask me (if the reports on Czarnecki are true - I'm not in the position to judge - however if they are true he should resign if you ask me)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,405
9 May 2021 #17
Radosław Sikorski was not much better

Well, he wasn't as his fraud is claimed to be at 80k zloty whereas that of Czarnrcki stands at 100k euro.
Ironside 50 | 11,061
9 May 2021 #18
he wasn't as his fraud

All our political system is build on a fraud. It encourage and enables fraud. Talking about so called liberal democracy.
For a real democracy to exist there should be strong middle class that outnumbers both those enormously rich and those who are poor or a hired help.

Such a middle class imbedded in Christian values, strong with civic duties and having a stake in running a country i.e. taxes.
Once the balances are disturbed all that talk about democracy is just screen smoke and mirrors and the real deals goes behind the curtain.

Retargeting so called citizen to a role of populous (not even plebs) in the ancient Rome.
GefreiterKania 4 | 49
9 May 2021 #19
so just a guess,.

Where was proven

According to the information by the European Parliament, Czarnecki has already begun returning the money. :)

money.pl/gospodarka/ryszard-czarnecki-musi-oddac-pieniadze-chodzi-o-niebagatelna-kwote-6627919130934080a.html
jon357 67 | 16,921
9 May 2021 #20
Czarnecki has already begun returning the money

Is he not being prosecuted for fraud?
Ironside 50 | 11,061
9 May 2021 #21
Czarnecki has already begun returning the money. :)

Well, no friends in the high places then, anyway he always was an a-hole.
GefreiterKania 4 | 49
9 May 2021 #22
Is he not being prosecuted for fraud?

A politician? Prosecuted for fraud? In Poland? Are you kidding me?

That would be a nightmare, thin edge of the wedge. We don't have nearly enough prosecutors, judges and prisons to open this Pandora's box.

he always was an a-hole

I am not a keen admirer of his political talents either.
Ironside 50 | 11,061
9 May 2021 #23
In Poland?

while post-Soviet mentality rule that the way it rolls.
pawian 176 | 15,395
9 May 2021 #24
PO's reign it would be a scandal on a national scale, and today--nothing--

Yes,. exactly. PIS are covering all their frauds and thievery and trying to sweep them under the carpet.

Where was proven in Wyborcza? Lol!

Darling, I see you act faster than you think. :):): It isn`t the best approach here - one might call you an imbecile for doing it. Be careful. :):)
jon357 67 | 16,921
10 May 2021 #25
A politician? Prosecuted for fraud? In Poland? Are you kidding me?

Slightly kidding, however immunity can be stripped and once, just once, a Polish government might decide to do something decent that reflects well on their country at an international level rather than just causing distaste and inviting ridicule.

We don't have nearly enough prosecutors, judges and prisons to open this Pandora's box.

In Britain and a few other places there are special prison wings where they put naughty police, prosecutors, judges and politicians both local and national (for their own safety largely). I mentioned this once in Poland and the general consensus was that this was a good idea.

Of course Soviet-style immunity for politicians, prosecutors etc is a PRL hangover that subsequent administrations haven't got rid of. For the obvious reason.

I remember that several years ago the media outside Poland were publishing some fairly scathing articles about Czarnecki's character. AFAIK there was a photograph doing the rounds that was part of that. I suppose we'll see more media coverage if they've run out of Covid/BidenFootball stuff. Unless Russia invades Ukraine in which case it will all be forgotten.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,405
10 May 2021 #26
while post-Soviet mentality rule that the way it rolls.

What is the "dobra zmiana" then for if not for putting an end to it?

Why has Notty, the OP of this thread, been suspended for so long !!!?
pawian 176 | 15,395
10 May 2021 #27
What is the "dobra zmiana" then for if not for putting an end to it?

Yes, we have repeated it here for years - PiS came into power to get rid of frauds by political class. They claimed it was enough to stop stealing. Today they steal more than all previous governments combined. Rightists, tfu!!

Dobra zmiana - good change is often mocked as podła zmiana - nasty change.
Ironside 50 | 11,061
10 May 2021 #28
What is the "dobra zmiana"

What? After three years I knew they are not a good change but only a slightly better one, Right know they are agreeing on stuff with EU that makes them equal with all the previous post-Soviet rabble.

Today they steal more than all previous governments combined.

That is your claim which as always is BS.
Fact is that none even one lost money that had been stolen or went to jail from the previous set of politicians and their cronies.

They promises empty slogans.


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