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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #1
An article appeared in today's NYT concerning the mayor of a small town in Eastern Poland during WWII, accused of complicity in Nazi murder of the town's Jewish population. This is based on Polish, not German, sources.
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #2
An article appeared in today's NYT

I saw that.

It's part of a wider issue and a current lawsuit.

There are allegations about abusing the courts in order to gag historians.
OP Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #3
Any thoughts?
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #4
of the town's Jewish population.

there is no such town as Malinowo in Poland (there are multiple villages of the name though) - I don't say anything on the veracity of the claim on the massacre of Jews there and Polish role in it
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #5
there is no such town as Malinowo in Poland

There is however a place called Malinowo that's in the news right now.

The words city, county, town, township, village and hamlet are in the English language, and equivalents in Polish are not exact. Nor is how we use them a matter for others.
Novichok 2 | 5,228
9 Feb 2021 #6
Any thoughts?

Any thoughts, OP?
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #7
Malinowo that's in the news right now

not in Poland

edit: sorry I haven't googled it properly - it apparently is on the news in Poland too (but on a site with paid-access) - maybe it's also in the paper edition of the newspaper the site belongs too (but I don't read newspapers)
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #8
not in Poland

It is in Poland. It is near Bielsk Podlaski.
Novichok 2 | 5,228
9 Feb 2021 #9
So now we have a geography lesson...
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #10
Evidently some need one.

esiemiatycze.pl/artykul/dziadkowice-ydom-zamordowanych-w-okolicy-malinowa/398174
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #11
It is in Poland.

I never said Malinowo in question is not in Poland (only that there is no town called Malinowo in Poland) - I meant I haven't seen an article on it in todays Polish internet (but I confirmed since that I found an article on that after a different Google search)
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #12
I never said Malinowo in question is not in Poland

You said:

not in Poland

It's a tiny place near Bielsk Podlaski. A quite nice area as I remember. That stretch between Bielsk and Siemiatycze is lovely, however I prefer some of the places along the old Warsaw road like Liw and Męzenin (interesting history in Męzenin...).
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #13
You said:

not in Poland

I said: 'not in Poland' meaning it's not on the news in Poland - which a different search on Google proved me wrong (but with only one result - so hardly a breaking news)
OP Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #14
Quite a contentious issue, I'll bet.
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #15
Hugely and tied up with the PiS attempts to use the courts to further their political agenda as well as their attempts to punish historians who publish material they'd rather see suppressed.

it's not on the news in Poland

It's reported in the Polish media and has been throughout the case. Google is not always your friend.
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #16
Here's what DW say about the case:

Critics say the Polish government is whitewashing the role that some Poles played in the Holocaust.

dw.com/en/poland-historians-ordered-to-apologize-over-holocaust-research/a-56507645

Did you notice

An irrelevant comment, puppy.
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #17
dw.com/en/poland-historians-ordered-to-apologize-over-holocaust-research/a-56507645

do you believe in courts jon? - cause Polish court in 1950 aquitted the man in question (the war-time mayor (mayor for sołtys sounds hillarious) of Malinowo) of collaboration with the Nazis and similar :)
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #18
cause Polish court in 1950 aquitted

Do you really, seriously, genuinely think that a 70 year old court verdict has any relevance whatsoever to what historians can research and publish today and in the future?

Someone's getting high off their own supply

mayor for sołtys sounds hillarious

Chairman of the Parish Council is closer. Village Elder will also do.
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #19
they post "news"

It's big news and part of a broad issue about historians' freedom to reasearch and public.

Here's a good article about the case from a few weeks ago:
""I didn't write that I thought he had betrayed the Jews. I reported on the witness's opinion," she said."
timesofisrael.com/polish-holocaust-scholars-on-trial-for-suggesting-mayor-helped-kill-22-jews/

My post is about how the forum

So make it in random, where you belong.
OP Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #20
If Poland's Jews, thanks to Jan Gross's daring, and maligned, exposé re: Jedwabne in "Fear"(Strach) didn't see a shread of justice, not necessarily monetary either, it's a cinch this time 'round that nobody's going to get any consolation!
Strzelec35 34 | 1,268
9 Feb 2021 #21
these Polish people who hate Ukrainians and upa or guys like iron and dirk need to realize their **** stink just as bad as the ukrainians toward them and quit believing the Polish propaganda about bandera and upa when they did the same ****
gumishu 11 | 5,857
9 Feb 2021 #22
Jedwabne in "Fear"

i don't know but I have encountered opinions (stating some facts) that Jedwabne case is far from explained and that Gross's book is in no way a historical study
Poloniusz 4 | 402
9 Feb 2021 #23
Polish-Nazi Supression

Can the Zionist OP explain how the title of this overtly defamatory thread is not in violation of Article 55a of the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance?

There is nothing artistic or academic of the Zionist OP's long and undeniable history of posting pro-Jewish and anti-Polish sentiment on PF.
OP Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #24
Relevance of your comment?
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #25
Gross's book is in no way a historical study

It's a serious historical study. Unfortunately there are people who try to relativise the sad facts covered in the book.
Poloniusz 4 | 402
9 Feb 2021 #26
Relevance of your comment?

You were asked a relevant question. You should be able to explain yourself. So answer it.
OP Lyzko 32 | 7,928
9 Feb 2021 #27
Don't pay attention to Right Wing ignoramuses, gumishu:-) I was asked no question, Poloniusz.
Poloniusz 4 | 402
9 Feb 2021 #28
Right Wing ignoramuses

The very definition of a Zionist and their campaign of faux victimhood via defamation against Poland and Poles in order to distract from their own disgraceful bigotry and crimes against humanity.
jon357 69 | 18,457
9 Feb 2021 #29
Don't pay attention

The ones who try to relativise the past are so banal that serious historians don't pay attention and nor do the intelligent public.
Novichok 2 | 5,228
9 Feb 2021 #30
There is nothing artistic or academic of the Zionist OP's long and undeniable history of posting pro-Jewish

Precisely. I sensed that immediately as nothing more than a hand grenade by a weasel who never takes a position on anything.

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