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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


johnny reb 28 | 5,031
9 Feb 2021 #31
I was asked no question, Poloniusz.

Really ? !

Can Zionist OP explain how the title of this overtly defamatory thread is not in violation of the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance?

That is very much a question that you don't seem to be able to take a position on.

the Zionist OP's long and undeniable history of posting pro-Jewish and anti-Polish sentiment on PF.

He is not even a practicing jew by self admission here on the PF.
More times than not these kind of bitter disgraceful people are the people that cause anti-zionism.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #32
Why would Poland constantly mention Wilton tho and who is responsible for that movie being made about it some random Polish film studio or the current right wing pics givt to start sentiments vs Ukrainian economic migrants or bully them while hiding their own pollacks **** on Jews?
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
9 Feb 2021 #33
I love my country too, Poloniusz, yet am nonetheless critical of it when and where need be.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #34
Who is responsible for that Wilton movie and Polish propaganda tho?
johnny reb 28 | 5,031
9 Feb 2021 #35
I love my parents too,

Answer the question or pack your bags and move to Israel and help build the third temple if you want to be constructive for your parents.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #36
I really think they did it made that recent movie to point fingers at their economic migrants while trying to wash their own **** away and no production studio existing in Poland is independent nor pus controlled and paid probably paid them to make it guys. That's wat I fink.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
9 Feb 2021 #37
you think too much especially when you're drunk
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #38
probably paid them to make it

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

There's a lot of that happening now.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
9 Feb 2021 #39
The US is the country of my birth and my political allegiance. I am proud when my country does well, critical when she falls far short.
johnny reb 28 | 5,031
9 Feb 2021 #40
The US is the country of my birth

Answer the question first.
We don't care about your parents or your birth place.
What we care about is you answering post #26.
If you refuse to, you confirm post #33 and this thread should be deleted completely if at not at least closed.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
9 Feb 2021 #41
1. We got a case of news sharing information about a supposed "Polish-Nazi" pushed by which type of Newspapers? Not to mention a subjective opinion of an eye witness

2. Said person has been found innocent by the communist authorities in the 1950's... Begs the question if said person actually was just a scumbag, not having any Polish national trait at all.

Seems to me it's another yet again attempt on trying to fracture any collective thought or feelings of the Polish nation, it's quite tiring to be honest. No matter how many times I read this, again and again
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #42
"Polish-Nazi"

Not a Nazi, merely someone who was identified in an interview as collaborating with them.

Perhaps you'd prefer the eyewitness comments be excluded from the book.

attempt on trying to fracture any collective thought or feelings of the Polish nation

Or simply historians doing their job; interviewing, researching and presenting data, without reference to what you quaintly call "feelings".
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
9 Feb 2021 #43
Mr. Grunvald, Norway had the heroes of Telemark as well as the swine Quisling:-)
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
9 Feb 2021 #44
@jon357
Then you can ask why the title of the thread is such? Rile up people without need?

I have nowhere written I would exclude the eye witness opinion from any books... Let me be clear here with you: I am an anti-authoritarian meaning: I dislike any authoritarian style rule that includes censorship, book burning, political jailing and mass shootings. Which is why I am strongly against any forms of socialism's whether they are fascist, nationalistic, communistic or social-democratic. Let that be clear once and for all jon357! Your insinuations have never been to my liking.

I am not criticizing the historians here, I am criticizing the journalists publishing this and the thread starter. I am in no way calling for any admin to lock it down or censoring it, I still have my naive hope somebody might learn from this discussion.

@Lyzko
You want a thread about Norwegian history during ww2, I can happily answer that there. In an off topic section
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #45
Then you can ask why the title of the thread is such?

Why would I need to? There are some bizarre thread titles on here.

I am criticizing the journalists publishing this

So you think they should ignore high-profile lawsuits against international historians?

I dislike any authoritarian style rule that includes censorship,

Yet you say you're criticising the journalists publicising this. Make your mind up.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #46
what I somt get is why there are these people on twitter who either act or may be paid by the pie government to discredit everything against Poland or anti Poland and are there always arguing with Jews or others about history on twitter. one of these people is named ojdana or ojdanana or ojnana or something. they are such propagandists im thinking paid they would not even watch that netflix Ivan the terrible show but were constantly talking about Poland just because it had the Polish map wrong. did netflix even fix that? i stopped engaging with these people because i would find my account banned or suspended very quickly and need to have one to advertise my work or services. have any of you engaged with them? they are also clearly racist and act like this iron guy on here when you disagree with them their first response is you are not polish or some ****. How does or did not sure if they are still around twitter allow such scum but bans me for engaging back at them? it made no sense except for the fact i wouldn't snitch or report them and maybe twitter doesn't actually investigate both sides or anything and uses retarded algorithms instead? you would think by their clear pis propaganda and racism they'd be banned automatically tho as trump was.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
9 Feb 2021 #47
@jon357
Can ask does not equate "need to"

What law suits? Are we debating a lawsuit or a historical incident? This is in the history section...

Just cause I am critical of somebody doesn't mean that I think that a state should take action towards a person!!! Your authoritarian mindset is mind boggling to me! Obviously I think that journalist should rethink his actions! Not send police after him or starting a law suit...
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #48
What law suits? Are we debating a lawsuit or a historical incident?

Both, of course. Since, y'know, it's an oppressive lawsuit trying to silence historians...

doesn't mean that I think that a state should take action towards a person

Good.

Obviously I think that journalist should rethink his actions!

The historian? Do you think he should have censored the eyewitness account of the last survivor? Or do you mean that the media shouldn't cover the lawsuit?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
9 Feb 2021 #49
Gross's book is in no way a historical study

It's a serious historical study

Jan Gross is not even an educated historian as far as I know
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
9 Feb 2021 #50
You telling me every journalist who have written about this is a historian? I haven't criticized the historian one bit! What is wrong with you? I even studied to become one myself!!! It would be a big laughingstock of me if I even voiced any opinion about shutting up an historian!

No! I am just saying I don't think the eye witness had his facts straight! And if he did then what happened next clearly shows this person ain't Polish! Which means it's another jab at the collectively agreed notion that Poles are not Nazi's!

It's tiring to read about all this Nazi/Fascist hysteria that the Anglo-Saxon public has to push internationally cause of their phobia of closet Nazi's in their own countries! Thinking it's the same elsewhere! What a bloody nuisance!
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #51
Jan Gross is not even an educated

Professor Gross from Princeton? He's a very distinguished academic.
history.princeton.edu/people/jan-tomasz-gross

You telling me every journalist who have written about this is a historian?

Now you're deliberately pretending to misunderstand the thread,

the Anglo-Saxon public has to push

The New York Times?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
9 Feb 2021 #52
He's a very distinguished academic.

he studied sociology both in Poland and in the US - in my book this is not an educated historian - that Princeton made him a history professor is only because of the juice
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #53
I am just saying I don't think the eye witness had his facts straight! Andif he did then whathappened next clearly showsthis person ain't Polish!

She did and they both were. Do you think her account should have been left out of the book?

that Princeton made him a history professor is only because of the juice

Hard to know what you mean by 'juice', however as an academic he is highly distinguished.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #54
"Jan Gross is not even an educated historian as far as I know"

neithr ie th guy who clearly wrote about a country he hated and was biased against and it was clear in his writing kapuscinski in his book imoerium. he is just a journalist. no historian in qny sense of the word. but why do you polish or the current right wing polish govt and society like this non historian so much? also whats up with all the fraudsters anti soviet suvorov books in poland at the emptiks? why do you guys alays point fingers at eveyrone els but cant look at yourselves? you remind me of ex cons or the con mindset.

also why do polish people think somene who is left wing or different form their current right wing govt isnt polish?
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
9 Feb 2021 #55
@jon357
Do I have to repeat myself? I DO NOT support censorship! Meaning I am not the person responsible to what that historian adds or not to his paper! HE IS!
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #56
neither is your hero kapuscinski.

how come in poland they dont even teach about the blue police or anti jewish collaborwtor police that existednin the war?
jon357 67 | 16,836
9 Feb 2021 #57
I DO NOT support censorship!

Good. So you in fact approve of him including the testimony of the last surviving eyewitness who lived in the same house as the person concerned.

And disapprove of attempts to use the courts to suppress publication of that testimony.

how come in poland they dont even teach about the blue police

It's a subject people avoid here, however it's high time for some research and a book on them. I knew someone who'd been in them. Not very nice.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
9 Feb 2021 #58
okay - I didn't know enough about the Jedwabne pogrom - I just read a paper by IPN which for the most part agrees with what Gross stated and it made sense to me (in the context of what I read before on the internet) - so while Gross is not a historian (and Princeton can kiss my ass about it) what he wrote (even if it was mostly one man's account of what happened there and the documents of the trial from 1949) was mostly true
Strzelec35 20 | 1,128
9 Feb 2021 #59
"I knew someone who'd been in them. Not very nice."

in a ghetto or jail guarded by them? I am interested I know very little about them as they don't teach it her enor did they when i was growing up here. Maybe I cant write a book on it if you point me to the right directions or people to interview.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
9 Feb 2021 #60
so while Gross is not a historian

however the IPN investigation doesn't agree with Gross on the number of victims if this is consolation to anybody

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