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Nazi gold train 'found in Poland'


jon357 63 | 14,076
19 Aug 2015  #1
If there's anything in this it's very big news indeed. I wish I'd found it.

Two people in Poland say they may have found a Nazi train rumoured to be full of gold, gems and guns that disappeared in World War Two, Polish media say.
The train is believed to have gone missing near what is now the Polish city of Wroclaw as Soviet forces approached in 1945.
A law firm in south-west Poland says it has been contacted by two men who have discovered the armoured train.
Polish media say the men want 10% of the value of the train's contents.

bbc/news/world-europe-33994483
terri 1 | 1,612
19 Aug 2015  #2
Finders keepers. I would want 10% as well.
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
19 Aug 2015  #3
It's only fair that they should get a percentage. And the rest to the heirs of original owners if traceable individuals and the government for the rest. If it's real, it's an amazing find.
johnny reb 15 | 3,094
29 Aug 2015  #4
Looks like this is the real deal.
The latest article.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-almost-certain-it-has-located-buried-nazi-train/ar-BBmcjs4?ocid=U348DHP
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
29 Aug 2015  #5
There's certainly something down there however we shouldn't be over -optimistic about the contents. One possibility is that it's just rusting military equipment rather than tons of gold and jewels.

I hope this doesn't lead to treasure hunters digging everywhere. In Rennes-le-Chateau and Rosslyn they've had to employ security guards since those silly books came out. People were getting up in the morning and finding holes dug in their garden by people looking for Templar treasure.

The famous Amber Room from Tsarskoe Seloe is somewhere in Poland. It may even be on this train. The bad news is that amber deteriorates with time, the room was already in poor condition when it was dismantled and is likely by now to be just bags of dried up bits.
Marsupial - | 888
30 Aug 2015  #6
I see the parasites coming out of the woodwork with their hand out already.
JollyRomek 7 | 481
30 Aug 2015  #7
I see the parasites

Who exactly do you refer to?
johnny reb 15 | 3,094
30 Aug 2015  #8
One possibility is that it's just rusting military equipment rather than tons of gold and jewels.

OR another possibility is that it is full of tons of gold and jewels.
Statute of limitation would make the country of Poland the rightful owners.
Maybe enough to finish the nuclear power plant in Poland to save Poland from deadly pollution from coal and it's smoke.
Even if the train alone can be restored for a War Museum would make it a great find.
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
30 Aug 2015  #9
Statute of limitation would make the country of Poland the rightful owners.

There aren't statutes of limitations about this in international law, as we've seen with the recent Munich art collection.

What it almost certainly isn't, is the Amber Room. That was last seen in Kaliningrad and although there have long been rumours that it went to South West Poland, there's a. a lot of wishful thinking there and b. probably not much left given the state it was in when it was removed from Tsarskoe Seloe and subsequent deterioration.

Some things are still missing - the national silver reserves of Hungary for example. If it contains that, then it is legally theirs. If it contains gold plundered from concentration camp victims, the state would have a moral duty of restitution where possible - they couldn't just keep it without trying.

The same with artwork. If there are owners or heirs of whatever nationality, it would need to be returned; although the condition of such artwork would probably mean that either there isn't much left or it would need long and careful restoration.

If it contains items that are unclaimed or genuinely untraceable, it would only then be the property of the state.

And they have warned that it is likely to contain rusting military equipment.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
30 Aug 2015  #10
According to the Polish guy (I don't remember his name, Tomasz Zu..... ski), who is in charge of the matter, it's most likely that train contains highly dangerous materials. Should said train have contained gold, jewels....., for sure a lot of people whould have been looking for it since 1945.
Marsupial - | 888
30 Aug 2015  #11
Yeah we don't know what it is yet. Could be anything.or nothing. Hopefully it's umarked gold bars only.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
30 Aug 2015  #12
Probably it is like that guy (Tomasz Zu... ski) says. In case of a treasury, I seriously doubt that Poland may keep property stolen from war victims. I am sure that there are international laws in such matters and needless to say, it would be MORALLY wrong and not to Poland's "glory".
Marsupial - | 888
30 Aug 2015  #13
Actually it will be empty. Sorry.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
30 Aug 2015  #14
it's most likely that train contains highly dangerous materials.

Given the circumstances, I'd expect it to be heavily mined and possibly containing weaponry to be used in a future counterattack in Poland.

It's a nice story nonetheless.
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
30 Aug 2015  #15
Yes, or being taken to the 'Alpine Redoubt' that never happened. There's still a chance of some valuables in with it, but best to be cautiously optimistic. It won't be jammed with Reischbank gold bullion, that was mostly taken to Frankfurt and found immediately.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
30 Aug 2015  #16
I'd expect it to be heavily mined

I think I read that this information was part of the 'death-bed' confession. Hard to imagine it not being booby-trapped. They should let those two chancers go in themselves and get it, with the proviso that if they get blown to bits, all bets are off.
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
30 Aug 2015  #17
Yes, and the same deathbed confession did say it was full of valuables.

One problem with the booby trapping is that even if nobody gets hurt, items of historic importance may be destroyed, including art.
johnny reb 15 | 3,094
30 Aug 2015  #18
Yeah we don't know what it is yet. Could be anything.or nothing.

Photographs taken using ground-penetrating radar equipment showed a train more than 100 meters (330 feet) long, the first official confirmation of its existence, Deputy Culture Minister Piotr Zuchowski said.

Hopefully loaded with tons of gold that by all rights now belongs to Poland to help start up a nuclear power plant to lower electric prices so the people of Poland can supplementary heat their homes with affordable electricity without polluting the air with dirty coal that causing serious lung damage (cancer) and ground water (drinking water} which cause serious health effects to everyone.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
30 Aug 2015  #19
to help start up a nuclear power plant

Johnny, perhaps you should learn a bit more about Poland before saying such things?

A nuclear power plant was already rejected in a referendum in the late 1980's by the people, with 86% of voters saying "no" to it.

A second referendum took place in 2012, and it was again rejected.

Everybody, keep to the topic please
Dougpol1 28 | 2,658
30 Aug 2015  #20
Anyway, one poxy train isn't going to pay for all the miners and policeman sitting on their arses at the age of 40 while the rest of us pay for the lazy scum.
Crow 136 | 7,369
30 Aug 2015  #21
This about `gold Nazi train` was on Serbian evening news today. Comment was that gold could be Polish, Jewish or Russian. At the end was said that Israel ask for return of gold to Jews

In any case, somebody paid with its life for that gold. Nazism was and is real evil
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
31 Aug 2015  #22
Comment was that gold could be Polish, Jewish or Russian. At the end was said that Israel ask for return of gold to Jews

Gold is gold. It has no nationality. The issue is whether or not there are traceable owners/heirs, whether a national treasury or individuals. The entire Hungarian Silver Reserve is still missing and that might be a possibility.

In any case, somebody paid with its life for that gold. Nazism was and is real evil

Very true. All types of totalitarianism and nationalism are pure evil. We should hope that whatever is found on this train will benefit people, either by returning great artworks to public view, but boosting a country's economy by returning national precious metal assets or by going back to families whose assets were plundered.
national
31 Aug 2015  #23
Nazi gold train?Isn't it Polish gold train just like "Polish" death camps?It's located in Poland so it must be Polish no?
johnny reb 15 | 3,094
31 Aug 2015  #24
Hopefully loaded with tons of gold that by all rights now belongs to Poland

Well of course it does. It will help partially compensate Poland for the destruction done by it's enemy.
TheOther 5 | 3,565
31 Aug 2015  #25
It will help partially compensate Poland

Poland was compensated. If you think that was insufficient, feel free to complain at Putin's office.

I really hope that train is empty with a note on a table saying "FU". If it's full of gold, artwork and other valuables, Poland will be under enormous international pressure to return everything to their rightful owners.
national
31 Aug 2015  #26
Poland was compensated.

how and when was Poland compensated?

Poland will be under enormous international pressure

F..k "international" pressure.This is POLISH gold train.
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
31 Aug 2015  #27
national

Poland, not being on a rock of its own independently orbiting the sun, is subject to international law. There are clearly defined rules about what belongs to whom. Rules from which Poland has benefitted in the past.

Would you really want to see the Polish government keeping items that belong to someone else.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
31 Aug 2015  #28
of course, in case there is something valuable, not only as per international laws but also as per mere morality, Poland cannot keep belongings stolen from people (including little kids) tortured and killed in atrocious ways norrmal people cannot even imagine.

It there is anything, it'll be handed over to descendants of nazi victims and it'll be right...

Personally I would not want to wear a ring or a necklace or whatever stolen from someone exterminated simply because Jewish (or anything else). Sorry, I have morals.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,296
31 Aug 2015  #29
If it's full of gold, artwork and other valuables, Poland will be under enormous international pressure to return everything to their rightful owners.

There are clearly defined rules about what belongs to whom.Would you really want to see the Polish government keeping items that belong to someone else.

of course, in case there is something valuable, not only as per international laws but also as per mere morality,

Sorry, I have morals.

Funny that the train hasn't been found yet (it was supposedly 'located'; and my dear InPolska, the French press even says "aurait été découvert") and so many people are so eager to claim to whom Poland should return what it is loaded with. For concentration camps set up in Poland they claim these were Polish concentration camps, but for the gold train located in Poland, they claim "un-Polish gold train".

Shouldn't they perhaps turn a new film now in Germany, Russia or wherever with the much telling title: "Your holocaust, our gold train" ?
OP jon357 63 | 14,076
31 Aug 2015  #30
of course, in case there is something valuable, not only as per international laws but also as per mere morality, Poland cannot keep belongings stolen from people (including little kids) tortured and killed in atrocious ways norrmal people cannot even imagine.

Exactly. Why would they want to? In fact, who would want to?

for sure a lot of people whould have been looking for it since 1945.

This article says a lot more than most about that. Some good photos too, and a lot of backstory. The authorities say they've located it and are guarding the site:

That location has now been officially named by the Polish government as being on a 4km stretch of railway from the city of Wroclaw, where the so-called gold train is said to have started its journey before disappearing under the hill.
Authorities have said they have seen evidence of the train's existence in a picture taken using a ground-penetrating radar, which even showed the shape of a train platform and cannons.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216741/A-family-brutally-murdered-secret-police-threats-deathbed-confession-Treasure-hunter-spent-40-years-searching-Nazi-gold-train-reveals-dark-secrets.html


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