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Nazi gold train 'found in Poland'

gregy741 4 | 1,204
31 Aug 2015 #31
packing my shovel and coming home..fok uk
gotta be quick.heard polish girls are good gold diggers
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
31 Aug 2015 #32
Be careful of the booby traps, the mines and last but not least the security services guarding the site.

Really this story has everything people want - buried treasure, a deathbed confession, Nazis, a steam train racing across Europe and a secret tunnel.

Crow 153 | 10,520
31 Aug 2015 #33
well, one can always sent mother of his wife in search. Suitable song for background could be `make at least one wrong step ...`

Sources, please?

for what? for EU`s Nazi projects in Europe?

fok uk

i concur
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
31 Aug 2015 #34
I really hope that train is empty with a note on a table saying "FU". If it's full of gold, artwork and other valuables, Poland will be under enormous international pressure to return everything to their rightful owners.

On a personal level, I hope that it encourages people to explore the whole area more to find out what's actually in and around Wałbrzych.
johnny reb 32 | 6,762
1 Sep 2015 #35
People from Germany are now arriving to stake their claim.
No doubt a nice shot for the economy around Walbrzych.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Polish authorities have blocked off a wooded area near a railroad track after scores of treasure hunters swarmed southwest Poland looking for an alleged Nazi gold train.

The city of Walbrzych and its surrounding wooded hills are experiencing a gold rush after two men, a Pole and a German, informed authorities through their lawyers that they have found a Nazi train with armaments and valuables that reportedly went missing in the spring of 1945 while fleeing the Red Army.

Inspired by a local legend since World War II, people with metal detectors and ground-penetrating equipment are combing the area and its still-used railway tracks. Some of them have arrived from Germany.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
2 Sep 2015 #36
Paweł Rodziewicz, the chairman of the Lower Silesia Historical Society says he is sceptical about a gold train allegedly located in Lower Silesia (Wałbrzych, formerly Waldenburg). - Our exploration experience and archive documents in our possession clearly tell us that the information about discovering this gold train is simply false. Common sense has been quelled by the search for fame - added Rodziewicz.

(according to Rzeczpospolita)
johnny reb 32 | 6,762
2 Sep 2015 #37
Spot on Z,
The story is starting to hit the news stands.
Poland's central bank governor Marek Belka said on Wednesday that the story of an alleged finding of a Nazi train in Poland that could contain jewels was in his opinion a hoax.

If this was in America people would be skeptical that it was just a cove up until the gold had been retrieved by the bad guys. lol
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
2 Sep 2015 #38
More likely to be rusting military hardware and possibly some plundered items. If there are paintings included, there may not be much left due to damp.

Then again, although I'd be careful about saying it's crammed full of gold and jewel or even has a small amount of valuables, whatever's showing up on the ground-penetrating radar must be worth hiding.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Sep 2015 #39
rusting military hardware

Poland's central bank governor Marek Belka said on Wednesday that the story of an alleged finding of a Nazi train in Poland that could contain jewels was in his opinion a hoax.

Asked if potentially the gold found in the train could add to the bank's reserves, Belka said: "I think nobody (at the central bank) even thought to devote a second to this issue. This is some hoax."

Poland's Deputy Culture Minister said last week he was almost certain Poland had located a Nazi train rumored to have gone missing near the close of World War Two loaded with guns and jewels.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
2 Sep 2015 #40
He's absolutely right.

Problem is, if they do find the train, people will claim for years that the government lied.
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
3 Sep 2015 #41
Quite. One issue is that there just isn't vast amounts of missing gold bullion. Most was accounted for. The Silver Reserves of Hungary went missing, however there's no suggestion they were kept on the other side of Poland and brought across the country at that late stage of the war.

Looted personal possessions like jewellery is a possibility, but not a whole train full and in any case there would be claimants for that. And as I've said, any art on there (and yes, there is still stuff missing) may well be in an unrepairably poor condition.

Military equipment is the most likely cargo - anything else would be a bonus. And of course whatever it is must have been worth the effort to conceal it, so it will be interesting to at least historians.

We can all dream though.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Sep 2015 #42
The Daily Mail has been covering the story quite well, and the interesting thing is that the "ground radar" used as proof doesn't actually show anything.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
3 Sep 2015 #43
The Daily Mail has been covering the story quite well

True, but aren't their readers' comments repugnant?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846
3 Sep 2015 #44
readers' comments repugnant?

yes they are, which is a shame, as this is just the kind of story that the DM does really well.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
3 Sep 2015 #45
I didn't read them, because there are so many people posting the most ridiculous things on the DM comments section just to get it upvoted.

mailwatch/forum - these guys are constantly trolling the DM.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
4 Sep 2015 #46
Andreas Richter and Piotr Koper have issued a statement in which they reveal their names to the public for the first time ("Panorama" on TVP 2) ever. They say they are genuine in claiming that they found a gold train in Wałbrzych (formerly Waldenburg, Goldenburg today). The documents we deposited with the authorities were labeled 'secret', but have been leaked outside hence this whole media screaming. Since 18 August neither the president of Wałbrzych nor the president (wojewoda) of Lower Silesia have contacted us on the matter of our findings - they added.

Napięcie rośnie!
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
9 Sep 2015 #47
The story indeed grows. If there's something down there, it'll be fascinating. If there's nothing down there, well, the chase is often as good as the kill:

Mile-long tunnel is discovered by treasure hunters in search for Nazi gold train in Poland using a 90-year-old railway map

InPolska 11 | 1,821
9 Sep 2015 #48
I briefly read that there is something similar in .... Russia ;).
Should there be anything valuable, maybe it could be handed over to the current refugees ;)
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
9 Sep 2015 #49
Why do you so readily hand over things that don't belong to you?
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
9 Sep 2015 #50
don't belong

Indeed. Lawyers, international courts, historians and precedent are responsible for returning any items with traceable owners. Anything else belongs to the state.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
9 Sep 2015 #51
How many messages here saying that Poles should keep any treasure? PS: read my messages! ;)
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
10 Sep 2015 #52
We can expect more of this sort of stuff. Isn't there a video game called tomb raider?

Treasure-hunter obsessed by search for Nazi gold in Polish town dies after falling into a tomb he thought was packed with loot

Gonk Droid
10 Sep 2015 #53
The supposed photo evidence from the DM seem to show only the signs of grave robbing.
In fact, a quick trip to any Polish Flea market could net you that haul in half an hour .
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
10 Sep 2015 #54
I doubt it's intended to be evidence; just an illustration for the sake of it. I notice that the police statement doesn't mention the names. Although this is usual, it will sadly stop the graverobber winning this year's Darwin Award.

We can expect treasure hunters. The question is whether or not this was really inspired by the mystery train or whether there are people in Poland who are robbing graves anyway.
Gonk Droid
10 Sep 2015 #55
People are robbing war graves across Europe. Poland does not seem to rank as a particularly bad offender ,you go South or East for that.

TBH, they were claiming those finds as "evidence" but the point is that is like pointing to some Roman coins as evidence of Romans in Britain. ie; "There were Romans here so clearly there must be a Temple Complex ,some Baths and a Gold stuffed Villa in the immediate area....."

This story reminds me of the Spitfires in Boxes story regarding the alleged amazing discovery in Burma, we even had GPR "proof" then too, what happened with that story though?

Specifically regarding Poles robbing graves.
I doubt they were found in graves but alongside old army gear and bad nylons wigs the Kola flea market seemed to have a heck of a lot of antique silver Torah pointer thingys on sale.

In the UK,albeit a Dutch stall holder, Ive seen Concentration camp relics for sale,lets not under estimate the Vulture like nature of some people regardless of nationalities.
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
10 Sep 2015 #56
Indeed. This does happen and is sad. The article talks about old German Graves - I wonder what the injured grave robbers actually hoped to find in there - perhaps wedding rings.

There's some precedent for this in Poland - Red Army soldiers in 1920 opened Polish graves looking for jewellery, among them the grave of Stanislaw August.

I suspect the article might be unrelated to the 'gold train' - especially if it's a wartime grave; any burial at that time is likely to be without valuables.
Avalon 4 | 1,068
11 Sep 2015 #57

Now Junker will say that Poland can take a few more thousand.

A Polish man on Friday claimed he has found a massive underground shelter built by the Nazis capable of accommodating thousands of people.
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
13 Sep 2015 #58
Looks like there's even more. Next someone will find Lord Lucan living down there.

Probably no treasure (in this one) but significant historical interest and could be a boost for tourism:

Polish explorer 'finds massive secret underground Nazi shelter' built to house THOUSANDS of people just 10 miles from where fabled Nazi 'gold train' is said to be hidden
- Treasure hunter claims to have discovered two more Nazi-built railways
- Krzysztof Szpakowski said it was culmination of several years' searching
- It is in the same region two men claim to have found a Nazi 'gold train'
- Authorities have now requested state money to fund the exploration

9 Nov 2015 #59
Engineers are now to start surveying the embankment using thermal imaging cameras, magnetic field detectors and radar in order to verify the existence of a possible cargo of gold and artworks :-
OP jon357 69 | 19,408
15 Dec 2015 #60
An update saying they found a tunnel but that's all and in fact it could be a hoax.

But a good one...

Historians whipped up excitement when they said the train was laden with gold, looted art and weapons. One even claimed it could contain the famed Amber Room of the Russian Czars which was looted by the Nazis in 1941.

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