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Weird and wonderful Polish train fares


delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
15 Jan 2021 #1
I thought I'd start a new thread dedicated to strange train fares that I've found in Poland.

My favourite right now is if you buy an international ticket from Frankfurt (Oder) to Słubice. If you buy the ticket from the Deutsche Bahn ticket window in Frankfurt or from the ticket machines, then you'll pay 5.60 Euro for the 7 minute journey. However, if you purchase the ticket on board from the Polish conductors (who can only sell you tickets once the train crosses the state border) - then you'll pay only 1EUR/4PLN. The train is only in Polish territory for 2km of the journey, which means that the conductors in practice will rarely sell the ticket in question in both directions.

Interestingly, the train from Słubice to Frankfurt is cheaper than the Frankfurt public transport which has a bus service into Słubice.
jon357 69 | 19,502
16 Jan 2021 #2
strange train fares that I've found in Poland.

A few times (from Warsaw to Łódż and Katowice) I've found first class tickets for a lower price than second class).
amiga500 2 | 1,267
13 May 2022 #3
this is cool. the krauts are introducing a 9 euro for 3 months public transport ticket for the WHOLE of germany. that is you can use buses and trains everywhere excluding the ICE and EC trainsd This is the advantage of an integrated government led/run public transport system. Something we can only dream about in Poland, I mean look at the mess that is Warsaw with these confusing tickets of SKM/KM additions.

bahn.com/en/offers/regional/9-euro-ticket-en

btw what happened to delph? leave permanently because of some posting photo bustup with johnny reb?
pawian 187 | 17,521
14 May 2022 #4
The last time I travelled by train was about 30 years ago. Is it bad? Os there sth wrong with me?
jon357 69 | 19,502
14 May 2022 #5
Something we can only dream about in Poland

In Poland, public sector railways are very very good.

I mean look at the mess that is Warsaw with these confusing tickets of SKM/KM additions.

Do you buy them often?
pawian 187 | 17,521
14 May 2022 #6
Do you buy them often?

Yes, he orders them from Australia and then never takes a ride, but always complains. Funny.
jon357 69 | 19,502
14 May 2022 #7
integrated government led/run public transport system. Something we can only dream about in Poland

Many competing public bodies and no equivalent of Transport for London. A few years ago maybe 2003 or 4 Piaseczno nearly lost its buses from Warsaw due to an interagency argument about payment and about the same time integrated tickets were rolled out then suddenly lost validity on the WKD and on the SKM predecessor.

They can't afford to do the cheap ticket like Germany but are still better than they were and it does work on a zone system after a fashion.

btw what happened to delph? leave permanently because

I'll answer that one in random chat.
amiga500 2 | 1,267
15 May 2022 #8
were rolled out then suddenly lost validity on the WKD and on the SKM predecessor.

Yes it's so stupid, the tickets page on ZTM.waw is so confusing with all these conditions/exceptions for SKM/WKD and KM. It is so stupid that warsaw council and the sorounding municipalities cannot get along. On a national level it's dumb that Polregio is separate from PKP/TLK. The whole thing is just a mess. why can't poles just get along? I know they did because of 'amerkyanski rynek' and competion but sometimes with public transport, an goverment monopoly or a tightly integrated system with private players but heavily regulated by the Gov is the best.

One thing I am pissed at PiS, is that because the Modlin municipality is run by PO, they want to destroy Modlin airport. Instead of expanding Modlin as the Chopin replacement.

I have come to realise the CPK is just a waste of money, and is being used to pay PiS aparchiks to basically do nothing. Modlin would be a better option, or just bit the bullet and demolish that highway that PO built next to Chopin and expand that in tandem with Modlin.

The rail investment that is part of CPK is great though and should be kept.
jon357 69 | 19,502
15 May 2022 #9
On a national level it's dumb that Polregio is separate from PKP/TLK

That can work if there's a Passenger Transport Executive that licences their operations and has control over ticketing. Unfortunately there isn't one.

I know they did because of 'amerkyanski rynek

It was like that always, with different organisations each with their own fiefdom. Every time they signed a contract they had a ceremony with flowers, a commemorative medal and a buffet. They probably still do.

Modlin as the Chopin replacement.

There are a lot of issues with Modlin, however it has its uses. They'd need a bigger terminal if they were going to keep it though, and better rail links.
amiga500 2 | 1,267
1 day ago #10
Through it's holding by the Polish Airport Authority and the Military which owns the majority of Modlin, PiS is blocking the expansion of the terminal. Also it only takes building a 5km spur line to the airport by PKP, this is being held up as well.
KorkiTaczer - | 110
1 day ago #11
Modlin

Modlin will never replace Chopin airport. For Modlin, the maximum environmental limit is 66 scheduled operations per day, which translates into a maximum of 4.2 mln passengers per year. If you want to expand, you have to build a second (longer) runway. Who's gonna do that? Dynamic duo: Trzaskowski and Struzik? Fine, but only if they do that using their own money.
amiga500 2 | 1,267
1 day ago #12
I am not suggesting it replaces Chopin, just both replace the need for CPK. Dublin is the same size as Chopin yet takes twice the aircraft movement, An upgrade to traffic control would enable this, combine that with expanding Modlin and we don't need CPK for 40 years. The rail investment to have everything go through/terminate at CPK is stupid, instead of linking cities directly with high speed rail.
jon357 69 | 19,502
1 day ago #13
Chopin

A problem with Okęcie is its proximity to built-up areas. There have been accidents there before; the next one could be worse.

Modlin is fine as a (currently) second airport. It has room for expansion. There are well enough known party political issues around Modlin and a possible other airport and the arguments/discussions about sites have been going on for years.

I always loosely favoured Mszczonów when there were plans for an airport there about 20 years ago. Great for freight and there are existing rail lines for passengers and good road links.

They could call it Amszin International to reflect the town's heritage.
amiga500 2 | 1,267
1 day ago #14
There have been accidents there before; the next one could be worse

Are you referring to the two IL-62 crashes? those Ilyushins had a very bad design fault, that if an engine had a catastrophic fault, the pieces of the engine would cut the hydraulic control cables making the plane unflyable. After the first crash the Poles wrote to the russians explaining it all, and typically it was swept under the carpet by the ruskis and ignored.

There are many places in built-up areas and that is no problem for chopin to operate, (sydney airport for one)
jon357 69 | 19,502
1 day ago #15
those Ilyushins had a very bad design fault

Crashes can and do happen for many reasons. Even on the best designed aeroplane.

many places in built-up areas

Generally people try to avoid having aeroplanes approaching airports over them. Or building airports close to a city centre. It's handy for passengers, but too near.

With Sydney, the flight path in and out is carefully chosen and construction is heavily restricted.

This thread is about train fares though, not airports. The rail link to Okecie does work though isn't as popular as was hoped. If Modlin is to work in the future, as well as enlargement, they will need to improve rail. It isn't the fares that are the problem it is the waiting.

Mszczonow was an ideal,place. It would need a new station and that could be incorporated into the ticketing zones. A special airport ticket is not unusual.


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