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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #91
they are convinced that they are the chosen ones.

"For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth" (Deut. 14:2).

Are your diarrhetic rants

Don't knock them. there's decency, intelligence, talent, wit and integrity in them.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,122
10 Feb 2021 #92
" Are your diarrhetic rants possibly drug induced?"

they arent rants they are just questions you havent answer wny of. why do they oretend ro be polish in poland and poland only?
Ironside 50 | 10,910
10 Feb 2021 #93
Any thoughts?

Some old ****. By the same gang, are they angling for yet another extortion? Somebody should put them where they belong - behind the bars.

however the IPN investigation

What investigation? There was no investigation. IPN read some papers on the subject - that all. By the way you are off topic!

Do I have to repeat myself

Don't let yourself be riled by jon, he spews a lot of BS and insinuation. Not to be taken seriously. As a commie should be deported to the NK.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #94
however the IPN investigation

Not known fo their neutrality though...

and you base your statement (on the alleged IPN non-neutrality) exactly on what?
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #95
IPN non-neutrality

Do you imagine for a moment that it isn't biased? Even Andrzej Wajda said so.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,122
10 Feb 2021 #96
So is Kapuscinski just a journalist or not? Is he a historian or do only the Polish consider him as such on soviet and russophobia matters?
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #97
Kapuscinski just a journalist or not?

He was a crossover. A travel writer, a literary writer a journalist..

He'd have probably got a Nobel if he'd lived longer.

I don't think he ever claimed to be an academic historian though.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,122
10 Feb 2021 #98
so his book imperium how anyone reading it can tell he hated the soviet system soviet union and possibly was a russophobe is not any sort of academia or taken seriously then? as well as his analysis of religion such as where Christianity came from and saying from Armenia and other writing is hogwash he made up? but sure besides these two things or every time he tries to discuss facts or talk about history of a region its fine? or just journalism? I mean all his other books seem somewhat unbiased besides his writings on religion or Christianity but you can tell he just hates Russia way more than any other country he has been to including Africa cant you? also, has he even been to actual Russia beside those Asian republics for him to have so much hate and prejudice? and call it facts or history?

" He'd have probably got a Nobel if he'd lived longer."

i doubt in Russia he would win anything even today or any Slavic country outside of Poland. even in Serbia he wouldn't win many awards.

The reason I say this is because this guy told me (he is the same guy who revealed to me for the first time the blue police and what Jews think of Polish but said he thinks its a nice country and was in Warsaw once):

santacruzsentinel.com/2017/07/20/mistrial-declared-in-taxi-drivers-rape-case-in-santa-cruz/?fbclid=IwAR3EzTNXuDOXMcUb-nnbUJddoWQllyPY00ulc3tDnVPTxdGuiShIgXsbYYE

When I was in county jail with him he told me that this Kapuscinski guy isn't a historian just a journalist who sometimes is talking out of his ass. Some of his books were passing around and I got Imperium and some others and he said that Kapuscinski was totally wrong about saying how Christianity originated in Armenia when in fact it originated in Ethiopia. Or some church or something he was talking about as obviously it originated from Jesus in Israel. But basically Kapuscinski is full of shet.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
10 Feb 2021 #99
Apropos a Polish judge just brought action against two Holocaust scholars for allegedly downplaying Poland's role in the Holocaust. We're back to square one, folks.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #100
Even Andrzej Wajda said so.

Andrzej Wajda who in one of his films promoted the myth that Polish cavalry in 1939 would attack German armor with sabres and lances - or who filmed an eulogy of the crook Wałęsa? - I don't hold him as any kind of authority to be honest
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #101
It's a noble story, based on a widely-seen Pathe newsreel film made in the 30s showing a group from the Polish Army re-enacting a famous cavalry charge. And your views on that famous director are irrelevant to the issue.

crook Wałęsa?

The President you mean.

Stop trying to change the subject; your PiS-like distraction techniques don't work here.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
10 Feb 2021 #102
The President you mean.

President and an iconic figure in Polish history, no matter how much some jealous little dwarves might try and change that.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #103
Stop trying to change the subject; your PiS-like distraction techniques don't work here.

you haven't even noticed that my posts are relevant to the subject of your prejudice against IPN whose article on Jedwabne I was reffering to - so what do you base your prejudice against the IPN: the words of Wajda ?
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #104
that my posts

You're trying to change the subject.

Now, back on topic:

"A libel suit, backed by a proxy for the Polish government and its right-wing allies, against two historians is just the most recent nationalistic effort to curtail research on the Holocaust in Poland."

"the political right's thrust to rewrite or recalibrate the historical narrative of the past century "
balkaninsight.com/2021/02/10/as-history-goes-on-trial-in-poland-the-present-is-at-stake/
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
10 Feb 2021 #105
the most recent nationalistic effort to curtail research on the Holocaust in Poland

The truth is that they only want one approved version of the Holocaust. It's exactly what the Communists did after WW2 as well.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #106
You're trying to change the subject.

what I wrote was very relevant to the subject - I wrote about an article on Jedwabne pogrom by IPN - and you dismissed it as not neutral - and I asked what do you base your opinion on IPN - and you said - oh even Wajda said IPN is baaad - to which I replied about Wajda's past - capisci?
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #107
We're talking about Malinowo, not the politically-controlled IPN's whitewashing activities in other cases.

Did you read the article I linked to from Balkan Insight? Very critical af the government's shoddy behaviour.

a proxy for the Polish government

OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
10 Feb 2021 #108
There's no "version" of the Holocaust! What happened is a matter of public record, no more, no less, so let's just stop playing David Irving.
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #109
"A libel suit,

simple libel suit - if you want to write history stick to facts - like for example testimonies of the survivors of the Holocaust who said the man accused of helping Nazis helped them survive - and the Polish court agreed that this was a case of a libel
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #110
simple libel suit

Nothing 'simple' about it. Nor are the individual testimonies relevant since it isn't about Malinowski's reputation (and in any case, he's dead). It's about academic freedom to publish testimonies of survivors regardless of what they say.

Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #111
It's about academic freedom to publish testimonies of survivors regardless of what they say.

the libel was on the part of Engelking and Grabowski - and was justly rectified - academic freedom doesn't mean you can write anything about anybody

Very critical af the government's shoddy behaviour.

what's wrong with supporting a libeled person
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #112
the libel

A dead person 'libelled'!

To repeat the question: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

what's wrong with supporting

Why would a government (or their nationalistic proxies) bring such an action about an eyewitness testimony?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #113
eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

three holocaust survivors testified that Edward Malinowski helped them during a trial 1949 - the court aquitted Malinowski of charges of collaboration with the Nazis
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #114
1949

Do you think that a 1949 'trial' should limit what academic historians can write today?

And remember, an eyewitness more recently gave an interview that contradicted that. Do you thing that her testimony should be suppressed?

To repeat the question for a second time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #115
And remember, an eyewitness more recently gave an interview that contradicted that.

the court has spoken - I don't even get when you get all those new and recent testimonies - if there where any the court would pass a different verdict
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #116
the court has spoken

A court 70 years ago. Do you think that a 1949 'trial' should limit what academic historians can write today?

"get when you get all those " When I get? All those? Have you actually been following the thread?

To repeat the question for a third time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #117
A court 70 years ago

the court has spoken now - and it said there was a libel
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #118
the court

And Poland's PiS-manipulated court system is not exactly respected any more, now is it....

In any case, it's not prawomocny yet; there's an appeal. It's also interesting how any court here thinks it can enforce a judgement abroad.

What did you think about the article in the link from Balkan Insight?

To repeat the question for a fourth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?
gumishu 11 | 5,632
10 Feb 2021 #119
Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

please quote it - how do i know there are any testimonies to support your claim
jon357 67 | 16,836
10 Feb 2021 #120
your claim

Why do you think it's 'my claim'. Have you actually been following this thread? Or are you just rather pathetically trying to derail it by using failed distraction techniques?

Did you read the article in Balkan Insight?

To repeat the question for a fifth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

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