The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives [3] 
  
Account: Guest

Posts by jon357  

Joined: 15 Mar 2012 / Male ♂
Last Post: 7 mins ago
Threads: Total: 73 / Live: 22 / Archived: 51
Posts: Total: 24421 / Live: 14376 / Archived: 10045
From: In the Heart of Darkness
Speaks Polish?: Tak

Displayed posts: 14398 / page 461 of 480
sort: Latest first   Oldest first   |
jon357   
29 Jul 2013
Genealogy / Possibility and proof of being Tatar [15]

How could I use the 23andme.com to figure if I'm tatar?

You aren't Tatar are you? You may well have some Tatar ancestors though. A very different thing.
jon357   
25 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Mr Hrytsak says. "You had a terrain that was ready to explode."

I'd rather trust that historian than 'kresy.pl'

No, thanks, you took it from English Wiki entry on massacre.

Actually I didn't, but never mind.

So, the number 17700 doesn`t only refer to military settlers, but to all colonists.

Who said it did refer only to the military occupiers?

OK, I will try to check these sources soon.

Try Professor Żak's excellent book on the topic. Amazon stock it.
jon357   
24 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

All she did is challenged his hugely flawed logic. Or is an assertive, opinionated woman 'aggressive' or 'traumatised'?

Hysterical even.

Small wonder there's a need for feminism...

What's wrong with being chained to a cooker all day then making yourself attractive for when hubby gets home from a day at work?
jon357   
24 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

your numerical problem

Now, you're deliberately tring to confuse the two periods in which properties were taken by the Polish government. Would you like a reference for the figure of 17,000?

It seems you don`t know what you are talking about and you mix all your sources. :):):)

Again, you're trying to confuse - but not very well, since there are many sources for the happenings between 1921 and 1939.

1000-word articles from Economist .

Respectable - and far more authoritative than 'kresy.pl' who exist to present a point of view.

Hopefully the sources I give won't be like the one you offered, i.e. confirm the exact opposite of what you claimed the source actually said.

Precisely.
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Interesting. Exactly what the Prussians/ Germans are usually accused of... :)

There isn't much doubt about it - and after all the two cultures are neighbours. Germany does however tend to be more pragnmatic about acknowledging the past I don't remember saying that though - are you sure it's a quote from me?

So, Economist has become an authority on historical issues.... :):):)

It always has been well researched.

Polish ex-military colonisation in the East in 1921-25

The worst of it was later, after 1937 as you were told a few minutes ago.

Ukrainians/Belarussians objected a lot because they wanted to take the land for themselves.

Perhaps because they lived there?

Nice one pawian!

Oh dear...
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

How was the property stolen? The usual way - by moving someone out and moving someone else in. Are you trying to suggest that the 17,000 veterans who were promised land were handed the keys by the owners or that the congregations of the 300 churches handed them over with a hymn and a prayer?

No. I'm sure you're not suggesting that.

ustawa z dnia 17 grudnia 1920 r. o przejęciu na własność Państwa ziemi w niektórych powiatach Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej

Indeed. A matter of public record - albeit one that doesn't suit everyone's point of view.
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Don't have time, or don't have the facts on your side.

It has been proven that the Second Republic moved people into stolen property. It's also true that churches were seized, the Polish language was imposed on people and strikes were brutally crushed. Perhaps it fits your point of view to demonise one side, however you do not do yourself any service by trying to pretend that the other side did nothing to enrage and terrorise the other.
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

So you can`t explain.

See above.

In the future you should be more careful with quotes and links. Somoene may ask a question you won`t be able to answer! :):):)

The answer is there in black and white. BTW, 17,000 people from other parts of Poland were moved into properties stolen from their owners.

Jon, do you read my answers to your posts???? :):):)

Not much of an answer, and harsh is an understatement to say the least.

hahahaha too late, my dear.

Too late for what? The Poles seized land from the inhabitants - which you tried to deny. And when proof is presented to you, you try to wriggle out of it!

Not very effective.
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Jon, as a responsible poster you should be aware of the consequences of quoting, linking ajnd suggesting to read articles

And the consequences are that it's an article worth reading. Very even-handed.

I wonder if you're trying to suggest the Poles were innocent of any crimes in pre-war Volhynia?

you both

Strange!
jon357   
23 Jul 2013
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

I presume it has something to do with the jewel opal?

It doesn't. It means you had an ancestor from the town of Opalenica.

Apparently it is a famous name,

There were several historical figures with that name - very wealthy people in the Seventeenth Century.

A very close friend was called that and his name sometimes attracted comment because of the historical connection.
jon357   
22 Jul 2013
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

An excellent article on this:

Many Poles have an idealistic view of their Kresy, the eastern borderlands to which Volyn belonged, as a collection of quaint, provincial towns and villages where Poles, Jews and Ukrainians lived in harmony, explains Andrzej Szeptycki, an expert in bilateral relations from the Warsaw University. The axes and pitchforks of Ukrainian nationalists, they believe, brought an end to that idyll.

Reality was more complex. Throughout the interwar period, Poland practiced a harsh policy of assimilation of its national minorities, particularly Belarusian and Ukrainians, fearing they would become a fifth column. In addition to trampling cultural and religious rights, land was seized and redistributed to Polish military veterans, in hopes of reigning in the east.

economist/blogs/easternapproaches/2 013/07/polish-ukrainian-relations
jon357   
17 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

So women who want to go into the army are probably gay?

A strange question - plenty of women want to join the forces and plenty do join regardless of their sexuality. Nevertheless there is a long and honourable tradition of lesbians in the uniformed services.. At least the army recognise their service and don't discharge or jail them now.
jon357   
17 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Where's the mudslinging - a simple neutral statement, confirmed on here by yourself in an earlier but still extant thread.

There is no doubt in my mind that women are stronger than men.

Absolutely spot on.
jon357   
17 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Women in the military is sheer insanity,

Better to let women decide. They aren't all shrinking violets, you know.

Even straight women can make good soldiers - absolutely as good as any male.

And as a gay man, you of all people should realise that some of our lesbian sisters can be very tough indeed.
jon357   
17 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

In a tricky spot, I'd rather have the help of a woman soldier than a random man off the street.

If they really think that women's contributions are inferior, then they are too far gone for any forum discussion to make a difference.
Fact that they found each other on Polish forum is damning enough, but thankfully, from what I see, not many others here share their views.

Very, very true.