History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

That isn't in any way an answer to the simple question that arises from your statement relating to the past of the Jews in Poland:


So, how do you think:


?

Feel free to report it. It's all in context, all on topic, and all using (unlike some of the insults you've inarticulately hurled) in very moderate language. Your words that Jewish Poles "should be punished" are now out there, showing on a seach engine and not going away any time soon...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Somehow I doubt you're up to scratch on its history and route to Germany, however that's very much going off topic. The depressing but interesting thing is how you propose the Jews:


and whether or not you really think that:

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I wonder if you think that tawdry document originated in Germany or had appeared in other places first...
Anyway, it would be interesting to know what your plans are and by what methods you think:

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Before then and afterwards - which is what we were talking about. However much you try to dodge the issue.


So you're supporting restrictions on whay Jews could or couldn't do? Yes


And you say there was never oppression...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


All of those have sadly been seen among the Jewish population of Poland. Within living memory.


Again wrong. Check out the meaning of oppression. Discrimination too. Glad to see you're trying to be politically correct though. Albeit in a kind of Ben Elton 80s 'right-on' way.


Plenty of Polish language fora if you have trouble with English.

Anyway, I'm intrigued. You say:


so what 'punishment' exactly are you proposing?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


That's quite an extreme statement which begs certain questions. Whether if fact any part of society had "decided to take over" any branch of the economy, whether any other group, perhaps the majority group, had ever done the same and the biggest question of all what type of punishment you would recommend....


Nope. Perhaps you think people should only read propaganda that fits your views that:


.
Hey, you said there was no real oppression and now you're proposing it.


Probably I understand it more cogently than your own jejeune interpretation, should one exist. It seems your views are not only at variance with most people outside PL, but also with most educated people within the country too.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Never see either.

And yes, Dmowski is very misunderstood by pseudopatrioci. Your comments interesting mirror the anti-semitic reification of victim-mentality among some sectors of society.


There you go again. Perhaps you'd approve of excluding or imposing quotas on Jewish Poles entering certain spheres of life.

And you say there was no oppression...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Well, there are plenty of Polish language fora if you don't enjoy discussions with 'foreigners' albeit ones who've spent far longer in PL than yourself.



So-called??? Yes, there was opression. The number of recorded incidents was huge and nothing you can say could ever whitewash that.


Understood as opression and racism.


Really? Aside from the unspoken assumption that everyone in Poland shares your view on Dmowski, which they very much do not, it seems staggering that you think the "right to talk about" a topic on here is predicated by ethnicity. As I say there are plenty of Polish language fora, however unless you stuck to the Dmowski-ist pseudopatrioci fora you would find equally coherent opposition to your views there too.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


In what what does that detract from any other incident, restriction or oppression? It's as if you're saying that bad stuff didn't ever happen since there was good stuff written down on paper!


That depends on the person, doesn't it. You're also attempting to reify one specific concept of nationality (vigorously debated in PL, by the way).


Entirely an irrelevance since we aren't talking about the UK, though worth reminding you that there were always far fewer fascists than on the Wisla - do learn some history rather than just listening to Dmowski-ist propaganda.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Indeed, despite prejudices in Germany and Austria existing far longer and the ideological roots of that movement preceding WW1 by many years. There's a strong parallel with some of the PF Brownshirts sniping about events between 1948 and 1956 as an attempt to distract from the darker chapters in the 700 years of history that preceded that.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Spot on. And worse that some people pretend that is somehow relevant to issues of prejudice during the other 90% of Poland's history.

Real Estate / How much is rent in Katowice? [15]

This will help you:
gumtree.pl/fp-mieszkania-i-domy-do-wynajecia/katowice/c9008l3200285
Be sure to select 'wlasciciel' rather than 'agencja' to avoid agents wanting their cut.
You will see that flats in Katowice are very cheap, including around ul. Francuska.

You don't mention budget etc, however this:
nocowanie.pl/noclegi/katowice/sortuj/tanie-noclegi
lists some very cheap places to stay for a week or so in Katowice while you look.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


Now that's something the Poles have traditionally had to be good at. Both of those things.


Both of them tyrants, both of them hated people who fitted the two ethnic descriptions in the thread title :-(

Food / British food products in Poland? [334]

If anyone's in or near Warsaw and wants to buy British food, there's a special event at Auchan in £omianki this Saturday. I get back home to PL that morning and since it's just up the road will definitely go and see what freebies they give out:


facebook/events/1627073070855990/

Intriguing about the "photo with The Queen" - there's no shortage of queens in Warsaw but I doubt HM herself is coming, but at least we can see Tiffin serving tiffin.. I can live without ever regretting not watching Kevin Aiston assembling a ploughman's lunch, although as celebrity Brits in Poland go he's probably the best choice. In any case, Nigel Kennedy's probably too expensive, Rula Lenska too Polish to be exotic in £omianki and Norman Davies too busy...

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


Should people who are both of those things emulate themselves?

Genealogy / Adopted from Poland; trying to find my biological parents [99]

Yes, there are lots of people with that surname in PL - in fact I know a couple of families with that name, one where there were adoptions. PM me with the part of Poland in case that's not a coincidence.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


There was no 'us' 10,000 years ago. No European culture has survived that long. DNA is an irelevance and migration is part of human history.


No one group of inhabitants has any more or less a claim than another after a generation or so passes.


True colours showing and a familiar writing style...

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [139]


It isn't "the major European culture" and I see nobody "insinuating" anything. Nobody suggests the word comes from English ("the major European" language) by the way. The English word comes from medieval Latin (formerly "the major European" language) who took their word for slave (slavus) from the Balkans - probably from a proto-Slavonic root though some etymologists suggest the Greek sklabos.

DNA haplogroups, by the way, have no relevance whatsoever on culture, language, human personalities, national characteristics or rights over a place. The origins of Slavic people are far more complex than just the R1a1a7 - so we can say that no, Poles (or any culture we can relate to any modern European group) did not exist


ago.

Law / Opening a Polish Bank Account by a foreigner in Poland. Recommendations. [299]


Try Nordea.


Very much so, especially outside cities.


They are all government regulated


Commercial or domestic?

Genealogy / Adopted from Poland; trying to find my biological parents [99]

Sounds a bit obvious, but in point 4 you say he has two sons who are fairly young. Do you know their first names? If so, something might come up on Facebook or Nasza Klasa...

Easier to find if you have an idea of the town or even region they're in.

Real Estate / Building a house in Poland need advice from anyone that has built [100]

A deposit and one or more interim payments are normal. This is Poland so get everything in writing.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Some very interesting points there, even though some are just repetitions of things refuted by people earlier. The answer to your first question, by the way, is already in the thread - it won't change.

Language / Family members in Polish [8]

Indeed. I'd heard a few of these titles before and avoided using them because


are easier to remember but had no idea there were so many. I found this on facebook in a Polish language group for professional translators and some of the people there seemed surprised too:

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History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Outsiders for one generation, then insiders as much as anyone else.Their own country too by that stage, unless you believe that one group should have perpetual rights and another be denied them.


Now I've heard everything!


So what. Start a thread about it if you like.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Not much of an answer. If your house is damp, why don't you move into a hotel. If your job as a cleaner sucks, why not train as a fund manager. If life was hard at timesfor gentile Poles, why didn't they move.

Anyway, plenty did...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

So anyone really, including people of Polish background who "Stalin managed to subjugate".

For the Poznan Pogrom, you must be using a very unusual search engine. Perhaps one from Moscow centre. Why not try it again with the year 1367 added.

Even try: 1367 Poznan ,1399 Poznan ,1407 Krakow, 1423 Krakow, 1434 Poznan, 1445 Kazimierz- Krakow, 1498 Warsaw...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Thy were Russian. So going off topic.

Pol3, what are your views on the Poznan Pogrom?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


A pleasure.


I don't see that there at all. Poles ofJewish and Gentile heritage were on both sides of that issue, Jewish Poles and Gentile Poles were on both sides of that issue.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Nice of you to show the proper respect however that isn't much of a question at all, since victims as well as perpetrators can be Poles of whatever heritage.In the post-war years both the groups you mention fell into both the categories you mention...

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


So they were Poles .

And the deeds of a foreign regime in one brief period of time in no sense dtracts fro earlier sufferimg by any particular group. Basically a red herring.