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Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles


sobieski 107 | 2,133    
9 Jun 2010  #1
I studied history at university way back in the olden days....before I came to Poland six years ago (a very sound Jesuit education). Have read all history books about Poland published in English.

What mystifies me on this forum (but of course it does not represent society but is prone to attract all kinds of Lusatian/Sarmatian madmen) is the obsession with the Polish past and then even worse a falsified version of it.

Lusatians died out somewhere around 500 BC... so what ? Sarmatians....They existed until the 4th century AD... The Polish "nobility" pretended they were Sarmatians... Another excuse to exploit the underlings and betray the Commonwealth.

Get real people. Accept that your nobility was selling you to whatever Power present, just to keep their horses. "Veto", remember ? Golden Freedom, anyone ?
TheOther 5 | 3,389    
9 Jun 2010  #2
the obsession with the Polish past and then even worse a falsified version of it.

Waiting for the usual suspects to appear... :)
POLENGGGs 2 | 150    
9 Jun 2010  #3
BEcause only fools keep to their ideals of a Grand history of Poland.
google pl the terms historia polska historycy forum

This forum is like Fantasy Roleplay.

'xcept I am the original Polish niqqa and can see thru the words, it all Polonia sittin on their laptops - it a way to vent hate at .... right at who - they always fuming, but it all comes down that really those partitions and living next to that puddle of a sea called baltic gave these people a inferiority complex.

Especially when they saw the 'west' .

Striving to be someone that they aint.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
9 Jun 2010  #4
sobieski

i don`t like you

you took nick name `sobieski`. Sobieski was good. You are bad. You had to choose some other nick name.
OP sobieski 107 | 2,133    
9 Jun 2010  #5
I bet you will tell soon that "zurek" (which I adore, especially the version made by my Goralka mother-in-law) and "pierogi" (which I do not eat) have also a Sarmatian/Lusatian/Serbian background? Except that Poland always was a part of the Western hemisphere.

I know "Mitteleuropa"s is heavy definition, but something is in that.
You Balkanists...Remember old Bismarck, he was not so stupid.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
9 Jun 2010  #6
Frankly, I don't understand your point. Who on earth are Lusatians? For me, they are '£użyczanie' or 'Serbołużyczanie', a Slavic folk living west of the river Oder in Germany. The overwhelming majority of Poles living in Poland do neither care about Lusatians in any historical sense nor about Sarmatians. The theory of Sarmatians is a mockery to modern Poles. As someone vividly interested in Polish history, I judge this theory a pure mockery, too. If you listen to Polish people who emmigrated abroad a long time ago, you should not take their views as the same as the views of 'home' Poles. Their views on Sarmatians or Lusatians as you report them remind me of an opinion of a certain Polish intellectual who once said that the Polish-Jewish conflict 'emigrated' to New York after 1939-1945 all along with the emmigration of a number of prominent Polish and Jewish 'pre-war' people to America. As a result, the Polish-Jewish problem had completely died out in Poland (except for a tiny minority of 'connaisseurs'), while it has been remaining alive in New York all these years.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
9 Jun 2010  #7
i herad some people saying... `if Slavs ever unite they would unite around the good food and drink`

i said to myself let's make a flag motivated by food and drink, blue white and red with a big bread and slivovica in the middle. Each country can have their own national flag with the food in the center too, Poles could place pirog in the middle, Russians have a pirozhok in the middle of the tricolor, the Serbs have a slice of gibanitza in the middle of theirs, etc...

I can imagine going into battle with that. `S Verom u Boga i pobedu cevapcica!`
southern 76 | 7,108    
9 Jun 2010  #8
Many people think Slavic countries should place a woman in the middle of their flags.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
9 Jun 2010  #9
yes. That, too
southern 76 | 7,108    
9 Jun 2010  #10
But then who would want to bomb Serbia except the bloody feminists?
Drac90 1 | 75    
9 Jun 2010  #11
silly question. People who want to get their hands on said flag would attack Serbia :) i wonder what they would do with this flag after that oO
Natasa 1 | 590    
10 Jun 2010  #12
You Balkanists...Remember old Bismarck, he was not so stupid.

That's just primitive.
Educated man from civilized western hemisphere quoting Bismarck about Balkans, that is so ruining my idealized picture of society you were raised in. Oh no, wait, that is not possible..:))

Where to look now?Where?
Who will guide us?
This is funny.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
10 Jun 2010  #13
Educated man from civilized western hemisphere quoting Bismarck about Balkans

in Polish literature you can read about last word of Bismarck on his deathbed. Man just said `Serbia` and died. that was his last.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,379    
10 Jun 2010  #14
Can you name a European nobility that did not exploit its own people? at least the Polish nobility was far more democratic than any other.
king polkakamon - | 546    
10 Jun 2010  #15
Man just said `Serbia` and died. that was his last.

Probably he saw a nightmare.
MareGaea 29 | 2,766    
10 Jun 2010  #16
Polish nobility was far more democratic than any other

True, but it cost Poland its existance eventually. The country became unrulable and incapable of making effective decisions.

Well, that was a really good contribution, Crow. Well thought and well formulated. I am proud of you.

>^..^<

M-G (lessons in wit: this, my children, was irony)
Crow 141 | 7,007    
10 Jun 2010  #17
Well, that was a really good contribution, Crow. Well thought and well formulated. I am proud of you.

as i already told you... just wait till ya see my body
MareGaea 29 | 2,766    
10 Jun 2010  #18
just wait till ya see my body

If it's a Balkan Power body, I'd rather not see your body, unless it has clothes on.

>^..^<

M-G (is Crow nervous for the upcoming WC?)
Crow 141 | 7,007    
10 Jun 2010  #19
If it's a Balkan Power body, I'd rather not see your body, unless it has clothes on.

you are not serious. get rid of your prejudices
MareGaea 29 | 2,766    
10 Jun 2010  #20
I was only joking Crow.

>^..^<

M-G (nuff said)
plk123 8 | 4,164    
11 Jun 2010  #21
"pierogi" (which I do not eat) have also a Sarmatian/Lusatian/Serbian background?

nah, chinese though. :)

at least the Polish nobility was far more democratic than any other.

no they weren't, a peasant was a peasant no matter what noble owned them..
Natasa 1 | 590    
11 Jun 2010  #22
Probably he saw a nightmare.

Freud would say....every dream even the one that feels like a nightmare is fullfillment of a wish, something you can not achieve in real life. My guess would be that he felt guilt, and wanted on his deathbed to undo injustice to serbs.

If it was his last dream, I assume it was really important for him.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,551    
11 Jun 2010  #23
You really believe that sh*it? That Bismarck's last words had been Serbia of all things??? ROFLMAO

It seems Crow isn't the only serbian nutter...
sascha 1 | 834    
11 Jun 2010  #24
My dear Bratwurst boy(What a funny nickname ;-)). I presume it has s.th. to do with you personally??),

I understand you completely that someone who doesn't know enough about this topic(psychoanalysis) has to use your convincing argument, but believe me that science is approving those kind of theories Natasa is probably referring to.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,551    
11 Jun 2010  #25
I'm not discussing any dream-interpretation technique but the statement that our greatest ever statesman Bismarck doesn't had anything better to do than to murmur "SERBIA" in his last minute... But I can interpret that statement very well - wishful thinking!!! ;)
sascha 1 | 834    
11 Jun 2010  #26
Bratwurst,

of course, interpretation is always free...

"...our greatest ever statesman Bismarck..."

I do not know in what times you are living, but that is long long gone and will never come back.
About Bismarck: You mean that guy who taught the Austrian decorator(sorry, he was once a soldier) how to ruin half of the world and as a result put Germany(and the rest of Europe) on the vein of USA? What are you proud of??? "You" LOST the war you started.

To me that doesn't look great at all - more like stupid. You lost it all. Face it.

And regarding wishful thinking; it seems that's more like your main motive how you see yourself and the German nation in the world now. Just look at the facts and see who IS making the calls.
Natasa 1 | 590    
11 Jun 2010  #27
You really believe that sh*it? That Bismarck's last words had been Serbia of all things??? ROFLMAO

Bismarck was an intro for the biggest failure in german history resulting in millions of dead.
You lost parts of your country . Your country was flattened.
You were occupied by russian and american troops (others irrelevant).
And when I visited last time Germany there where still hundreds of thousands of foreign soldiers (?!). I saw towns that belong only on the map to Germany.

Consequence of ideas like his.
I would think twice if I were you.

Little bit of psychology now...I can see that you like to give people nicknames with pejorative meaning.
The usual explanation for that is that some feeling of inferiority is bothering you, so you have to humiliate another person to feel good about yourself. (just theory, not me;))
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,551    
11 Jun 2010  #28
Well... he managed politically and militarily to unify Germany and to make a european power house out of a hodgepodge of little countries... Your serbian heroes did it the other way around, didn't they....

Just look at the facts and see who IS making the calls

Serbia surely not!

Bismarck was an intro for the biggest failure in german history resulting in millions of dead. You lost parts of your country . Your country was flattened.

Last time I looked Bismarck retired before the first WW...are you mixing him up with Hitler??? I wonder where you get your history from? Or did you get any at all? You know...soon afterwards he would die with "SERBIA" on his lips!
OP sobieski 107 | 2,133    
11 Jun 2010  #29
It is still funny though. How a Serb tries to compare his backward Ottoman province to a country which is from a background completely European. (not counting any poultry here though). On the end he will tell that my beloved native Antwerp is full of Serb accents :)
sascha 1 | 834    
11 Jun 2010  #30
How a Serb tries to compare his backward Ottoman province to a country which is from a background completely European

Sorry buddy, but all the countries on this continent are Europe. Maybe you misinterpretate in terms of EU? Maybe? Only then you are correct.

But after all you look to me sad and pathetic. ;-((

Last time I looked Bismarck retired before the first WW...are you mixing him up with Hitler??? I wonder where you get your history from? Or did you get any at all?

"Nuernberger" Bratwurst. Like your buddy sobieski you are to me also pathetic. What stops a "retired" or better retarded Bismarck to teach an Austrian decorator... For your brain: Not to take teaching literally.

About history lessons: I think your poorly educated generation is not something to show around, especially if you need these kind of media to present your attitude.

:-(((




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