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Lusatian-Sarmatic obsession of Poles


noreenb 7 | 557    
23 Oct 2010  #61
Filios1
you are simply not trying very hard

Maybe you re'right.
But at least I'm trying a bit... to be patriotic... a bit...
Filios1 8 | 1,336    
23 Oct 2010  #62
But at least I'm trying a bit... to be patriotic... a bit...

Well, it is the effort that counts... ;)
Being a patriot is hard, no matter where you live. It's simply a different age.

If we were all patriots in the true meaning of the word, we would be mounting horses, dressed in hussar armour and riding towards Lwow, right? :)
noreenb 7 | 557    
23 Oct 2010  #63
Filios1
If we were all patriots in the true meaning of the word, we would be mounting horses, dressed in hussar armour and riding towards Lwow, right? :)

Not exactly. But I like a vision of it.
:)
I am patriotic because I am proud of our past, I know a lot about it and I still want to think that I can change something for better.

Even if it is just a little something.
Filios1 8 | 1,336    
23 Oct 2010  #64
Not exactly. But I like a vision of it.

haha.. I just imagined the headline in the news, all over the world about such an adventure.

Getting a good pack of loyal friends, dressing in the armour, leopard skin, horse, mustaches, everything.. Shot of wodka, and a tight embrace with each man before mounting...

Then just riding to Lwow, and start hacking up the local army or police in ultimate aim of restoring it to its rightful owners ;)

Just imagine the insane asylum they would provide for you and your friends! (if you lived through the carnage)
noreenb 7 | 557    
23 Oct 2010  #65
tight embrace

Grrr, what kind of classes of English have you attended?
:)
What is this?
Hope one day will be here without dictionary.
However horse and a mustache sounds good.
Geee...
:)
Filios1 8 | 1,336    
23 Oct 2010  #66
Grrr, what kind of classes of English have you attended?

I'd imagine it's because of the 3+ years I have spent on PF :(

When I first signed up, my English was quite poor ;)
It has since improved.

Hope one day will be here without dictionary

No hope needed, I guarantee you will.

What is this?

Tight embrace.. Like hugging/squeezing (typical Sarmatian manner of greeting/saying goodbye with your blood brothers ;)
noreenb 7 | 557    
23 Oct 2010  #67
No hope needed, I guarantee you will.

Ha, ha, I don't like a word "guarantee",
:)
Filios1 8 | 1,336    
23 Oct 2010  #68
I don't like a word "guarantee

Polak potrafi ;)

That is all I can say...
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,379    
24 Oct 2010  #69
It is a nice obsession, there was even an exhibition on this topic. Sarmatism: A Dream of Power

krakowpost.com/article/1940
Crow 141 | 7,007    
15 Aug 2015  #70
Lusatia in 7th century, by data of old maps.

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On location where existed Lusatia in 7th century, exist even today. Existed even before 7th century, as part of much greater Sarmatian realm. Name of people didn`t change. Lusatians are stubborn Sarmats.
Lyzko 17 | 4,802    
16 Aug 2015  #71
Lusatia or "Die Lausitz" is still considered German by her inhabitants. There's an old, lovely song "O' Lausitz, du schoene Braut!".
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Aug 2015  #72
if Poland is stronger germanization would retreat from Lusatia.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
16 Aug 2015  #73
Crowe, part of Lusatia is in Poland . Should 'polonisation' retreat? No. Should 'germanisation'? No. For centuries the various communities have lived side by side with mostly no problems and nothing should 'retreat'.
Malopolanin 3 | 137    
16 Aug 2015  #74
For centuries Germans discriminated against Slavs.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
16 Aug 2015  #75
Such is life, one group always dominates - it never really matters which. In any case it's a mostly rural region. Now there are Sorbian language schools and nobody seriously suggests that 'germanisation' should 'retreat'.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Aug 2015  #76
i am man of peace. Let people live in peace. Just, let exist alternative. If we know that medieval sources remembered how Teutons and germanization occupied Slavic land (even states like Kingdoms) in what is now great deal of Eastern Germany, it would be something normal if people there, at one moment, decide to secede from Germany and seek independence or seek to join Poland.

On the other side, it won`t be normal that 'polonisation' retreat because there was no 'polonisation' but only liberation of local Slavs, unfortunately in rare cases.

Main reason why USA supported Germany after WWII actually wasn`t communist threat but Slavic `threat` from within Germany. For west of Europe and USA, Germany is seen as their fist against Slavs. So, they were afraid that would germanizad Slavs of what is Germany, after German economic and military collapse, seek to end germanziation and become proud Slavs again. That is why Dresden was `symbolically` bombarded by allies.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
16 Aug 2015  #77
Remember Crowie that there are others in the region, not just Sorbs and that there are also some who might see Germanisation as liberation.

And your last paragraph makes no sense at all.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Aug 2015  #78
ha, Germans have smallest penises in Europe. See, germanization affected even that. Not to mention that there are other things that are wrong on affected territories. People need relaxation, reason and beauty. After all, people have right on its own history.

Who normal could seek to stay germanized and shortened.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
16 Aug 2015  #79
Well, Crowie, someone who doesn't go on about penises maybe.

Anyway, how do you know about German cocks?
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Aug 2015  #80
Anyway, how do you know about German cocks?

well, it was news on net, so there was very informative thread back in past of this forum.

When we are at it, i often wondered how did Poles managed to survive all historical sh** that Germans imposed onto them. Then i realized. It is about penises or at least have impact on it. Germans are inferior. Then, knowing that Eastern Germany was Slavic in middle age i wondered how is that possinble that penises there differ from Polish or Serbian penises. So i concluded that germanization destroys man`s libido and penises.
jon357 65 | 13,406    
16 Aug 2015  #81
That's a remarkable theory however I suspect it will be a bloody cold day before its accepted by a consensus of Lusatian-Sarmatic scholars.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
16 Aug 2015  #82
time would give all answers
Lyzko 17 | 4,802    
17 Aug 2015  #83
Guenter Grass considered himself German, although born in present-day Gdańsk to a Kaszub mother and a German-born father:-) He wrote exclusively in German, and never in any other language!!
EyalOlmert    
17 Aug 2015  #84
Does Lusatian have something related to Lusos? (Portuguese ethnicity)?
Lyzko 17 | 4,802    
17 Aug 2015  #85
Well, it's clearly of Latin origin, that's for sure.
AndrzejKonst    
23 Jul 2017  #86
I have fallen into this "forum" by chance, looking for something different in Google. Why "forum" is in quotes? Because when speaking on true forum, participants always show their faces, not covering its behind "nicknames" or other "pardas". Why is "Sobieski" hidden behind? Simply, for to avoid shame and unveiling the true source of his attitude. What I had concluded from his starting announcement and subsequent ripostes, is his strong similarity to the attitude presented during German-Nazi period in the very ridiculous paper called "Völkischer Beobachter" *). The same sick hatred and contempt toward everything that is "not ours". Of course, what is "ours" had been defined in the paper itself! Nazi-logic in it's full extent, presented up to modern times in so called "liberated circles" or "leftist circles". The matter doesn't nothing - it can be any matter! The method or rather paradigm. is everything!

And now a short utterance about the matter. "Sobieski" had stated, that his education was "very sound Jesuit". I hope that no Societas Jesu member owe up to him! Or, it might be,

the university was not Jesuit, but it was not recognizable for "Sobieski" the same way the term "Lusatian" is quite vague for him - as "Ziemowit" has pointed out. It is not clear at all what is "Sobieski" occupation or vocation, but in so called cultural anthropology, these "obsessions about the past" constitute the main body of scientific investigations, with no specific attribution to any time or nation. Although "anthropology" is a long word, it is at the beginning of any dictionary and even "soundly educated" "Sobieski" should be aware of it, as well as the fact, that belief in something, especially related with origins or history, is inherent to any human being. Let "Sobieski" permit Polish people to be human beings, even if his masters from "Völkischer Beobachter" had not allow them to be in "vernichtungslager". I am slightly astonished, that nobody of debaters haven't noticed this close resemblance between "Sobieski" and Nazi views!

After all, the usage of the verb "mystify" put on the mind that sound education of "Sobieski" in English language had been (years ago, of course) as sound as "gong or a clanging cymbal" **).

I hope, that after thrilling experiences of the infamous XXth century nobody should be allowed to express such views as "Sobieski" - even on so neglectable forum!

* Julius Streicher - the editor of "Völkischer Beobachter" had been condemned to death in Nuremberg trials, simply for his attitude not for direct killing anybody!

** The 1st letter of St. Paul to Corinthians, 13:1
*** Heinrich Himmler - SS-Reichsführer, had been a recognized and keen poultry farmer! (entry 109 / 2132)

With regards, although very past after occurence, with apology for the specific "mentor sound"
Andrzej Konstantynowicz
andrzej.konst@google.com
jon357 65 | 13,406    
23 Jul 2017  #87
so called "liberated circles" or "leftist circles".

Yet another one who can't handle views that are not his own. By the way, Sobieski won't be reading this. If you want to contact him, buy an ouija board.
AndrzejKonst - | 5    
23 Jul 2017  #88
Hi, tricky jon357 from behind the cover!

This is the point, you have felt yourself to be bitten! Let it be... Yet, this is the view which constitute you...
Short advices from the country of logic:
1. Somebody's views you are able to observe are always somebody's, and you will never been sure if they are
his own or other people's. But it might happen, that especially you - will be sure!
2. "Sobieski" in quotes can read so far, I hope, everything at this forum.
3. I am very glad that you are so agile to notice, that Sobieski won't read my reply. Also yours.

By the way, let try to get back to the matter of this thread.

Have a good night!
Andrzej Konstantynowicz
Crow 141 | 7,007    
23 Jul 2017  #89
Does Lusatian have something related to Lusos? (Portuguese ethnicity)?

Well, it's clearly of Latin origin, that's for sure.

No. Word `Luzica` is of Slavic origin. Very old word, ancient. Its `spoon`, literally. But, I founded somewhere that word actually refers to `tongue` as body organ, like in the case with `jaw` (in Serbian language its `vilica`) and fork (in Serbian `viljuška` and even exactly `vilica`) [jaw= vilica > fork=viljuška/vilica]. Also spot, `vile` (in Serbian/most Slavic) and `villas` (in English).

ENG - spoon
sl. - žlica
sr/hr. - lazica, žlica, kasika
mk. - лажица
bg. - лъжица
cz. - lžíce
sk. - lyžica
pl. - łyżka
ru. - ложка
be. - лыжка
ua. - ложка
gls.- łžica
dls.- łžyca
csb.- łëżka

Slavs (ie Sarmatians) were ``native American Indians`` of ancient Europe. So always expect something very old and primordial, something that would give you insights in thinking of first humans of Europe and how they formed their language.
AndrzejKonst - | 5    
23 Jul 2017  #90
To EyalOlmert and Lyzko15 !

There is nothing common among many nations or "ethnicities" in Europe. Similar names are of medieval origin
because of troubles with transliteration of self names at medieval monastic monks writing diaries or rather annals.
This is the source of exonyms, xenonyms,ethnonyms and toponyms (and, maybe - nymphs?) from the linguistic point of view.
The name "Lusos" is related with the adjective "Lusitanic" related in turn with today Portugal. You can read exhaustive article in Wikipedia.
The name "Lusatian is related with called different way "Sorb tribes" which having lived at territories briefly depicted in the map 133 / 5747.
The name "Sorb" is not related with the name "Serb", although sounds akin, and although these both tribes were and exist so far as Slavic.

I guess, that you have been known this simply facts through past two years. This is only a puristic addendum from me.

Sincerely
Andrzej Konstantynowicz




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